Lol yeah, I object to having my culture sidelined by such actions!
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Lol yeah, I object to having my culture sidelined by such actions!
I agree with Tibby, but maybe not as strongly though.
This is an SPCA publicity stunt at Yengeni's expense more than anything else.
If the SPCA were so concerned they would be mobilising in the T'Kei for instance where animals are routinely slaughtered in this manner.
The public and press should lay off Yengeni completely,he will cook his own goose, that we can all be sure off, just give him enough rope to hang himself.
Senseless attacks on his character like this of the SPCA are childish.
This is an SPCA publicity stunt at Yengeni's expense more than anything else.
If the SPCA were so concerned they would be mobilising in the T'Kei for instance where animals are routinely slaughtered in this manner.
The public and press should lay off Yengeni completely,he will cook his own goose, that we can all be sure off, just give him enough rope to hang himself.
Senseless attacks on his character like this of the SPCA are childish.
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When the Spanish Conquistadors arrived in what is today known as Mexico, they discovered the local Aztecs performing human sacrifices. I wonder how culturally acceptable that would be today?
Myrrdin
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The fact is we don't hunt ... the old govt never trusted us with having guns remember ???.
What a load of K*K. I worked with firearm licences in the good old SA and there were indeed blacks getting licences.
Never mind all the blacks "hunting" elephant and rhino with AK's. Suppose that's tradition too? Another racist plot by whitey??
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How are the SPCA to know about all the other instances? This one became public knowledge because of this idiot's status and the SPCA were then obliged to investigate.
SPCA didn't attack his character, they investigated a case of animal abuse. Why is this so hard to understand?
Myrrdin
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Could be the same traditional healer who instructed these guys. What do you think Tibby?
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20061213064549779C456245
Please feel free to explain to me so I can become knowledgable and respectfull of African culture.
So what you are saying then is that ok, the SPCA and the rest of SA knows that this goes on regularly during cultural ceremonies and such, but because it doesn't make the headlines the incidents are less significant or for sake of this debate, not relevant. The issue after all is about the dead cow/s, not the politician..
Selective investigation of animal abuse, not hard to understand either.
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Yes please. I am also very keen to understand this.. please enlighten the ill-educated masses
Bageloo?How well funded is the SPCA? Do you imagine they have the resources to find and investigate every time this happens? Perhaps they hope a public case such as this will set a standard that can be followed by everyone.
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The issue of muti murders has been thouroughly addressed in another thread. Murder is a crime in any language and any culture. Muti murders are not committed in the name of any culture. This practice is vehemently condemned as far as I know.Yes please. I am also very keen to understand this.. please enlighten the ill-educated masses
Skeptik
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If you don't agree with a law, it was a white man's law. Is that what you are saying??
I'll bet you wear Western shoes, shirts etc. You use nice things invented by white people like the electronic computer. I don't see you wearing animal skins roaming the bush looking for your dinner.
You are therefore being selective in your 'culture'. Yengeni too had a nice fashionable pink shirt on instead of his loin cloth.
Dunno, you tell me?
No, I don't imagine they do, however it would be interesting to see how many other cases they have made against other individuals for the same ceremony.
This is the part we disagree on. The SPCA is naive to believe that a case like this will change anything. The very first impression I forged of this case was that of a witch hunt, and I am certainly not a Yengeni fanboy either.
Myrrdin
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Please convince the rest of the world of this asap.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muti
Definition of culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
Myrrdin
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Is that not exactly what we should be crying for in this case anyway. I am sorry, killing an animal after it bellows (read in pain) as some approval from ancesters to "cleanse" someone who is a known criminal should be equally condemned as the killing of an innocent child and placing their organs inside a wall so people can "see" and "talk" about your business. I wonder how hard the child had to scream as proof of ancestral acceptance.
items of clothing have little to do with one's faith. Maybe you don't see the difference!If you don't agree with a law, it was a white man's law. Is that what you are saying??
I'll bet you wear Western shoes, shirts etc. You use nice things invented by white people like the electronic computer. I don't see you wearing animal skins roaming the bush looking for your dinner.
You are therefore being selective in your 'culture'. Yengeni too had a nice fashionable pink shirt on instead of his loin cloth.