The Renate Barnard - SAPS - Discrimination Case

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The Labour Court in Johannesburg heard on Wednesday a white police captain would have been appointed as a superintendant had she been black.

The former head of the police’s interview and selection panel said Renate Barnard was the best candidate for the job.

Barnard approached the court after she was denied the promotion twice, allegedly because of the colour of her skin.

A retired police commissioner told the court Barnard would have been promoted to superintendent if she was black as this would have enhanced the police’s equity plan.

Barnard outperformed the other candidates and was ranked the highest in the interview process.

She had also displayed passion and enthusiasm for service delivery by the police.
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http://www.ewn.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=26653
 
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Does anyone know what the EE quota of superintendants are at the moment?
 
I can see this case going all the to the Con Court. The SAPS policy is in line with labour policies, and I think the Labour Court will agree with SAPS, she will appeal, and so on...
 
Only when the goverment realise that maybe just maybe put the person in the position who is the most qualified for that position, then only will there be change to the right direction.

I understand that qoutas need to be filled but why let the public suffer if you cant find the right black person.

I just think that maybe keep quotas out for certian public sections and get the best person for the job if its male or female black or white.
Do we really care what the gender or colour is as long asthat person want to do their job.

They estimate that the forensic department will take seven years to get through their current cases, just because of the lack of staff

I just love it when they said Selbi is retired ...... is suspended then not re-instated cause of the court case
 
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Mila said:
But does BEE not include women?
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Yes it does, however this seems to be case where Employment Equity targets were not being met by SAPS.

The EE plans are there to guard against companies that may theoretically hire ONLY white women to get around appointing other designated groups.
 
Mila said:
But does BEE not include women?
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Slight correction there:
BEE has nothing to do with redistribution, it's about economic growth and getting the previously disadvantaged more involved in contributing to the economy.

EE on the other hand introduces preferential procurement. In terms of the BEE framework, all non-whites are considered black. In terms of EE, you have the specific structure (black female, black male, coloured female, etc.)
 
Smooth Criminal said:
EE on the other hand introduces preferential procurement. In terms of the BEE framework, all non-whites are considered black. In terms of EE, you have the specific structure (black female, black male, coloured female, etc.)
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Can you say "Racial profiling" in a democratic country
 
Fudzy said:
Does anyone know what the EE quota of superintendants are at the moment?
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But should positions be filled with under qualified individuals ? Also in some cases positions are left vacant because no "qualified" black person is available.

But I guess to some people getting the right colour in the job is more important than getting the job done :rolleyes:
 
DigitalSoldier said:
But should positions be filled with under qualified individuals ? Also in some cases positions are left vacant because no "qualified" black person is available.

But I guess to some people getting the right colour in the job is more important than getting the job done :rolleyes:
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Pathetic isn't it? :rolleyes:
 
Wait wait like i said these people will have to decide:
Racist or sexist
 
Acid0 said:
Can you say "Racial profiling" in a democratic country
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If I didn't understand the BEE framework as much as I do now, then I would tend to agree with you.

But I have to disagree. Apartheid left black people (black in the sense of non-white) with little capital. When democracy arrived, they were not able to take advantage of it because they had no capital to invest in the first place. What you then have is 10% of the population contributing towards the country's GDP. This effectively meant that our country was operating at 10% of it's potential.

If we were to grow and realise our full potential, there is no question that it was essential to get the non-white population involved. Most people don't realise that you don't have to be black owned to be BEE compliant. Companies with less than R5 mil turnover are automatically BEE compliant. And larger companies improve their BEE profile by doing business with smaller companies.

EE is just one aspect of BEE, and in most instances it doesn't even apply. It was put in place to expand on the narrow-based approach of black ownership being the sole requirement for BEE compliancy, as most people just sold shares to their wives to meet the requirement.

I may not be 100% accurate in my understanding, so somebody with more knowledge on the matter is free to correct me :)
 
Smooth Criminal said:
If I didn't understand the BEE framework as much as I do now, then I would tend to agree with you.

But I have to disagree. Apartheid left black people (black in the sense of non-white) with little capital. When democracy arrived, they were not able to take advantage of it because they had no capital to invest in the first place. What you then have is 10% of the population contributing towards the country's GDP. This effectively meant that our country was operating at 10% of it's potential.
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I actually agree with much of what you are saying. I also have no problem with AA/BEE, it has not affected me either so you won't see me complaining but, I have a problem with people in position they are not qualified for or critical positions being left vacant cos no black person is available for the position.
 
Since when does enthusiasm and passion count? This is SA. It's all about building a non-racial (black) democracy. Wake up whitie!
 
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