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Gee, a day of propaganda. Great. Not.
No. UN mandate was given to go after WMD (nothing to do with the oppressive regime.) Saddam was tacked on the end to justify an unjust war based on lies and propaganda.
Gee, when are we going to get this straight?
Pentagon unit defied CIA advice to justify Iraq war
. 'Alternative' agency set up to link Saddam to al-Qaida
· Mainstream intelligence was cast aside, Senate told
Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Saturday February 10, 2007
The Guardian
An "alternative intelligence" unit operating at the Pentagon in the run-up to the war on Iraq was dedicated to establishing a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, even though the CIA was unconvinced of such a connection, the US Senate was told yesterday.
A report presented to the armed services committee by the Pentagon's inspector general, Thomas Gimble, exposes the Bush administration to new charges of manipulating intelligence to make its case for going to war against Saddam nearly four years ago.
And it is perfectly clear who is the enemy of free speech (and free thought.) Gee, what an oxy-moron in these days of american hegemony.
Gonzales, Mueller Admit FBI Broke Law
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's top two law enforcement officials acknowledged Friday the FBI broke the law to secretly pry out personal information about Americans. They apologized and vowed to prevent further illegal intrusions.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales left open the possibility of pursuing criminal charges against FBI agents or lawyers who improperly used the USA Patriot Act in pursuit of suspected terrorists and spies.
The FBI's transgressions were spelled out in a damning 126-page audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine. He found that agents sometimes demanded personal data on people without official authorization, and in other cases improperly obtained telephone records in non-emergency circumstances.
Top Ten Abuses of Power Since 9/11 (9/6/2006)
Top Ten Hits for Civil Liberties Since 9/11 (09/06/2006)
...oh and Syndyre: the Jerusalem Post. 'Nuff said.
BTW. Note how many labels there are in that one paragraph (of yours) quoted above. And no I didn't read the whole article.
PS. Peeps should really be more adept at recognising propaganda.
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I don't agree with every detail but I do think she has a compelling point, just look at situations like the Danish cartoons etc, the West is too scared to stand up to people lest they damage their fragile egos.
600 000+ dead people. Palestine non-existent. Peeps in gulags. Torture. Illegal kidnapping in foreign lands. Threats of war. Gee, maybe the Islamist, Jihadist, Fundamentalist, Terrorist, Extremists have a point and a trigger where any tiny thing sets off a mob. Look to yourselves before blaming other people. Start with counting the dead (that's usually a good one.) And BTW, in my little diatribe how many of those labels above were used in the article?!
So true. It's scary how people's freedom of speech is being curtailed by moonbats who label you racist, a nazi, bigot blah blah because you supposedy offend someone who happens to have a darker skin or different beliefs. It's ironic and laughable that they themselves claim the western governments are doing it (ie:middle aged white Christian men
). Maybe the fact that the one view can get your head chopped off while the other allows you to mouth off as much as you like has something to do with it 
.We've seen this before with "white guilt"
It's no surprise that the MSM won't touch things like the Danish cartoons or Universities won't allow people to express their views in class or outside(Trying to find the links). The University of Leeds has canceled a speech by German author Matthias Küntzel on the connections between Islamic antisemitism and Nazi Germany after complaints from Muslim groups caused the university to fear a violent reaction. Just look at this German Judge's verdict on that divorce case. I wonder if she feared having her head chopped off. How about that Dutch director who got stabbed for airing his veiws and that muslim woman who had to go into hidding becuase of death threats in Holland as well for airing her views. You got cab drivers in America who won't accept passengers carrying alcohol and blind people with guide dogs because of their religion. You can go on and on.
It's called "multiculturalism". All this does is stir resentment. When a group moves into another country and forces their laws on the populace I call that an invasion. If you say anything about it then you are Islamophobia, racist, bigot, nazi bla blah blah and most of the time that only comes from a handfull of extremists and loud mouthed moonbats not the majority of muslims.
In the end what it's come down to is. "don't say anything because that'll disturb our peace" which as you know is a common theme with moonbats. It's appeasement exactly like the 1930's all over again. Anything for "peace" now nevermind further down the line. The thought that there are those that will attack them no matter what they might say or do( or not say or not do) scares the cr@p out of them. That's why they delude themselve that there is no threat and turn on the west as warmongers for disturbing their "peace" because they feel they have some influence on them through "freedom of speech". That way they don't have to risk their "peace" to get the west to shut up and behave so they don't get harmed. Atleast for now. As the jihadies say they don't fear death while the west does.
*sigh*
The joys of Liberalism
Look you've stirred one
There's that 600 000 number again. Where's the proof please. Yeah it's always us isn't it. How reasuring to think that the extremists are always reactionary and if we just change our ways they'll leave us alone
. That's so much easier is it not
Oh what was the reasoning behind the terrorist bombings before satan himself came to power in the U.S?
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So true. It's scary how people's freedom of speech is being curtailed by moonbats who label you racist, a nazi, bigot blah blah because you supposedy offend someone who happens to have a darker skin or different beliefs. It's ironic and laughable that they themselves claim the western governments are doing it (ie:middle aged white Christian men
We've seen this before with "white guilt"
Its essentially an extension of "white guilt" I think, same underlying causes and justifications, real or perceived. Not that the West should be trying to live up to the Middle East's standards but the funny thing is that Arab Israeli's probably have more freedom than most other Arab citizens do.
The fact is resentment is building up and eventually there are going to be problems, the longer its left the worse it'll be. Just look at the thread about the German judge that was quoting Islamic law. If people want to come live in a Western society they have to accept the way Western society operates, a way that probably allows for more freedom than any other societal model in the world, just as if I wanted to go live in Riyadh or Tehran I'd have to follow the local customs.
I'm don't make a habit of defending drunks but does anyone seriously believe this guy would have gotten the same sentence and treatment if he said the same thing about a white, christian woman wearing a scarf or cap etc?
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alanf: I got as far as your use of moonbat. Perhaps later when I feel like reading your racist propaganda. And yes, that excludes Syndyres post as well. How come the people who are quickest to jump to labels are the quickest to lap up all the war talk?
So in fact you have no substantive facts, no moral code, and no sense of truth. Then we wonder why the world is in the state it's in.That's the whole point
This will really rile them. Muslims in America(ie:Evil Christain Empire) have far more freedom than those in say Iran.
They seem to have a problem differentiating between your average muslim and an extremist. That is the real scary. Not as scary though as those liberal politicians who play on peoples differences to get into power
. Trying to cozy up to one group for example Islamists and then cosy up to say gays. How do you please both
. That's where multiculturalism supposedly comes in and the need for flip floping ala John (I love the troops/troops are idiots) Kerry.It just doesn't work. If you wanna live in a country you live by what the law(ie majority) states. Nothing special for certain groups be they black, Islamist, gay blah blah blah. You're a citizen and nothing more nothing less. If you're not happy leave.
Bwahahahahaha
Your great defender of freedom (and yes, this is just today's headlines.)
FBI Violations May Number 3,000, Official Says
The Justice Department's inspector general told a committee of angry House members yesterday that the FBI may have violated the law or government policies as many as 3,000 times since 2003 as agents secretly collected the telephone, bank and credit card records of U.S. citizens and foreign nationals residing here.
Inspector General Glenn A. Fine said that according to the FBI's own estimate, as many as 600 of these violations could be "cases of serious misconduct" involving the improper use of "national security letters" to compel telephone companies, banks and credit institutions to produce records.
Bush Paves the Way for Martial Law: 2007 National Defense Authorization Act overturns Posse Comitatus Act
In October 2006, Bush signed into law the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Quietly slipped into the law at the last minute, at the request of the Bush administration, were sections changing important legal principles, dating back 200 years, which limit the U.S. government's ability to use the military to intervene in domestic affairs. These changes would allow Bush, whenever he thinks it necessary, to institute martial law--under which the military takes direct control over civilian administration.
REAL ID, Passed in 2005 and due to take effect in 2008-9, turns your driver’s license into a de-facto national ID card. This is yet another step towards a totalitarian police state in America.
[source]
Who's watching the president?
The GOP abandoned White House oversight, and the results were disastrous.
Hurricane Katrina, the chaotic occupation and reconstruction of Iraq, the breakdown at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, the FBI's abuse of Patriot Act powers, the troubling dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys — everywhere, the administration has been plagued by an epidemic of incompetence.
Bush has stumbled so badly at managing the basic responsibilities of government that even the National Review, the flagship magazine of the conservative movement and hardly a traditional critic of the president, used its latest cover to plaintively ask: "Can't anyone here play this game?"
My National Security Letter Gag Order
Friday, March 23, 2007; Page A17
It is the policy of The Washington Post not to publish anonymous pieces. In this case, an exception has been made because the author -- who would have preferred to be named -- is legally prohibited from disclosing his or her identity in connection with receipt of a national security letter. The Post confirmed the legitimacy of this submission by verifying it with the author's attorney and by reviewing publicly available court documents.
The Justice Department's inspector general revealed on March 9 that the FBI has been systematically abusing one of the most controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act: the expanded power to issue "national security letters." It no doubt surprised most Americans to learn that between 2003 and 2005 the FBI issued more than 140,000 specific demands under this provision -- demands issued without a showing of probable cause or prior judicial approval -- to obtain potentially sensitive information about U.S. citizens and residents. It did not, however, come as any surprise to me.
FBI Violations May Number 3,000, Official Says
The Justice Department's inspector general told a committee of angry House members yesterday that the FBI may have violated the law or government policies as many as 3,000 times since 2003 as agents secretly collected the telephone, bank and credit card records of U.S. citizens and foreign nationals residing here.
Inspector General Glenn A. Fine said that according to the FBI's own estimate, as many as 600 of these violations could be "cases of serious misconduct" involving the improper use of "national security letters" to compel telephone companies, banks and credit institutions to produce records.
Bush Paves the Way for Martial Law: 2007 National Defense Authorization Act overturns Posse Comitatus Act
In October 2006, Bush signed into law the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Quietly slipped into the law at the last minute, at the request of the Bush administration, were sections changing important legal principles, dating back 200 years, which limit the U.S. government's ability to use the military to intervene in domestic affairs. These changes would allow Bush, whenever he thinks it necessary, to institute martial law--under which the military takes direct control over civilian administration.
REAL ID, Passed in 2005 and due to take effect in 2008-9, turns your driver’s license into a de-facto national ID card. This is yet another step towards a totalitarian police state in America.
[source]
Who's watching the president?
The GOP abandoned White House oversight, and the results were disastrous.
Hurricane Katrina, the chaotic occupation and reconstruction of Iraq, the breakdown at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, the FBI's abuse of Patriot Act powers, the troubling dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys — everywhere, the administration has been plagued by an epidemic of incompetence.
Bush has stumbled so badly at managing the basic responsibilities of government that even the National Review, the flagship magazine of the conservative movement and hardly a traditional critic of the president, used its latest cover to plaintively ask: "Can't anyone here play this game?"
My National Security Letter Gag Order
Friday, March 23, 2007; Page A17
It is the policy of The Washington Post not to publish anonymous pieces. In this case, an exception has been made because the author -- who would have preferred to be named -- is legally prohibited from disclosing his or her identity in connection with receipt of a national security letter. The Post confirmed the legitimacy of this submission by verifying it with the author's attorney and by reviewing publicly available court documents.
The Justice Department's inspector general revealed on March 9 that the FBI has been systematically abusing one of the most controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act: the expanded power to issue "national security letters." It no doubt surprised most Americans to learn that between 2003 and 2005 the FBI issued more than 140,000 specific demands under this provision -- demands issued without a showing of probable cause or prior judicial approval -- to obtain potentially sensitive information about U.S. citizens and residents. It did not, however, come as any surprise to me.
Nothing to say? Where's the sheepish smile? Remember, this one?At least muslims can go see the movie 300 in America
Oh, now the story is changing? So the us isn't perfect? Spying on and gagging their own citizens is perfectly fine and waging unjust wars based on lies is perfectly forgivable because; TraLa, the us isn't perfect, oh, and there's more to the west than the US? My, the propaganda army is in full flight today.
I don't agree with those US policies and I'd like you to point out one post where I said I did, I'm just saying in relative terms there are worse countries in the world.
Oh, so now we're talking "relative terms?" But now tell me; is not america the bastion of freedom and democracy? How come it is now all relative (all of a sudden?) Since when is the US gub or for that matter the UK gub compared to the Iran gub (I mean, we agree now: they are simply all facist regimes?)
Everything is relative, the world isn't as black and white and polarised as some people, including you, would have it be. I think a lot of the Bush administration's policies especially concerning civil liberties are wrong and go too far, but its too simplistic to then label everyone as fascist and assume they're equal, there are many government's far worse than the US's, including Iran's.
Nothing to say? Where's the sheepish smile? Remember, this one?
What's there to say. Anybody with an internet connection or T.V can see what's happening in the U.S. People can interact with Americans(even muslim Americans) and the vast majority will tell you how positive their lives are there. Why do you think people are flocking there
. You the one who feels the need to endlessly post "facts" in an attempt to force it down peoples throats to convince them of your views. I don't feel like getting into postfests with you every time.
Who said they were perfect
. How odd