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sand_man said:
A coach that replaced an injured hooker with a flyhalf? He was prepared to play just about an entire world cup campaign with 1 specialist hooker.

Rassie's blatantly aware of Manie's deficiencies.
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One man's deficiencies is another man's inexperience. How many caps did he have when that world cup started?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Its amazing that our MBB experts seem to know more than a coach that has won 2 back to back RWC's. As the coach does not seem worried about Manie.
They probably want Heyneke Meyer and Morne Steyn back.
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His kicking is kak ok.

He cost use the Ireland game in the WC, The Argentina game, and the Stormers a Semi final just in the last year.
All big games where his place kicking cost us.
Few others as well.

We also lost a few games before the WC by close margins because we didn't have a place kicker. We got lucky that Pollard saved us in the WC.

He can be flyhalf, but he musn't kick at posts. End of story.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
So you moving the goal posts? Must I copy all your post around this discussion where you referenced Pollard?
Sasha has played 8 games, lets see after 20 how the stats look. Sure he looks like the better kicker and player at this stage. But what if he is injured before a world cup. That is why we need 2-3 players in every position with enough caps and experience, especially in vital positions like 10. You want to fall back to Jantjies?
Every kicker does not start bad. I said that Pollard did and nobody complains about him.
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Well, duh, Pollard is the incumbent. How do you have a discussion about Manie without bringing Pollard into the discussion?

So do players get better or worse with experience? Make up your mind.

Yes, building squad depth is imperative. Why you bringing that into the debate? Who's moving the goal posts now? And why you bringing Elton into the debate? His career is all but over. You the only one talking about him. More post moving...

I'm sure back in 2014 when he was missing kicks in front of the poles many "experts" had a lot to say about his form. You've only been on this forum since 2020 so how would you know if he was being criticized or not? More thumb sucking?

He's South Africa's 2nd highest points scorer btw, Percy first.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
One man's deficiencies is another man's inexperience. How many caps did he have when that world cup started?
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Very few, 9 or 10. 1 or 2 more than Sasha.

Morne Steyn scored 31 points against NZ on the occasion of his 5th cap (,SA 31 NZ 19.. so all of them) August 2009.

Your notion that international flyhalves convert 60% of their kicks due to inexperience is shrouded in ignorance.
 
sand_man said:
Well, duh, Pollard is the incumbent. How do you have a discussion about Manie without bringing Pollard into the discussion?
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Your literally said "Why do you keep referencing Pollard? Is he the gold standard in your "expert" opinion?"
Are you drinking while typing?
 
sand_man said:
Very few, 9 or 10. 1 or 2 more than Sasha.

Morne Steyn scored 31 points against NZ on the occasion of his 5th cap (,SA 31 NZ 19.. so all of them) August 2009.

Your notion that international flyhalves convert 60% of their kicks due to inexperience is shrouded in ignorance.
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I never said all flyhalf's. I literally said in my first post here that Pollard also missed kicks regularly when he started. You said I was thumb sucking. Now I posted links proving it. Now you can't apologize or even just keep quiet. You moving goal post and revert to stupid arguments to try a comeback.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Your literally said "Why do you keep referencing Pollard? Is he the gold standard in your "expert" opinion?"
Are you drinking while typing?
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With reference to his supposedly checkered early career form, like he is the gold standard of how all flyhalves start their international careers. Was he ever converting 60% or less over the course of a season? Even in his early career? You know, that time when he was missing from in front of the poles maybe?

You keep referencing his early career. Or any test match where he underperformed. You choose to ignore his CAREER average of over 75% in test rugby... 88% in 2022.. 100% in the 2023 RWC...

You say it's "normal" for flyhalves to convert 60% or less early on in the career when I've sighted 3 examples of players who have done much better than that from early on in the careers (now you want to wait for Sasha to reach 20 caps). The 2 front runners for the 10 jersey since 2009, till MS finally retired in and around 2021.

Pfffft....
 
sand_man said:
Linky?

He tends to miss the relatively straight forward ones and slot the ones on tight angles. That's the irony.

His issue is mental.

Soon as the shot clock was introduced his accuracy went off. Maybe a flaw in his technique, where he takes more time than average to properly set himself?

Either way I hope he improves drastically.

I've said numerous times, all that stands between Manie and a 100 test caps is 80% kicking accuracy.
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He had the accuracy problem before shot clocks which were only introduced last year.

Will have to check my history, was an article about kicking accuracy in URC etc 2022 and 2023 season if memory serves me correctly, lead up to world cup, reviewing various teams/players etc.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I never said all flyhalf's. I literally said in my first post here that Pollard also missed kicks regularly when he started. You said I was thumb sucking. Now I posted links proving it. Now you can't apologize or even just keep quiet. You moving goal post and revert to stupid arguments to try a comeback.
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Is this not you? You right, you never said all flyhalves, you said most international kickers! Even worse. Gross generalization...

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I'm just not sure why Manie is being "forced" like this? It feels like there is this absolute drive to make him our flyhalf? Why? He's not good, even if IMHO only. And this whole "no-look" gimmick that now seems to permeate every aspect of his game. Using it while passing, catching and...
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Most international kickers are not that great when they start, they become better with experience.
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sand_man said:
With reference to his supposedly checkered early career form, like he is the gold standard of how all flyhalves start their international careers. Was he ever converting 60% or less over the course of a season? Even in his early career? You know, that time when he was missing from in front of the poles maybe?

You keep referencing his early career. Or any test match where he underperformed. You choose to ignore his CAREER average of over 75% in test rugby... 88% in 2022.. 100% in the 2023 RWC...

You say it's "normal" for flyhalves to convert 60% or less early on in the career when I've sighted 3 examples of players who have done much better than that from early on in the careers (now you want to wait for Sasha to reach 20 caps). The 2 front runners for the 10 jersey since 2009, till MS finally retired in and around 2021.

Pfffft....
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Let me explain one last time.
Bunch of you where complaining about Manie's kicking. I came into the thread saying that Pollard also missed a lot when he just started. You all peed in your panties.
I like Pollard. Think he is probably the best flyhalf we ever had. If he was ridiculed like you do with Manie and the coaches did not have faith in him. We probably would have never seen how great he is,
Simple as that. It is all here for everyone to read. All the stories that you want to "make up" that I said is just diversion.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Let me explain one last time.
Bunch of you where complaining about Manie's kicking. I came into the thread saying that Pollard also missed a lot when he just started. You all peed in your panties.
I like Pollard. Think he is probably the best flyhalf we ever had. If he was ridiculed like you do with Manie and the coaches did not have faith in him. We probably would have never seen how great he is,
Simple as that. It is all here for everyone to read. All the stories that you want to "make up" that I said is just diversion.
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Except that your post is erroneous in fact. Pollard never "missed a lot“. Sure, he didn't start of as a 90% kicker, but he was also never a 60% kicker.

Edit: also, I like Manie. But he's not a goal kicker. Let him play 10 and let someone else kick. Or play a 10 who can kick.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Bunch of you where complaining about Manie's kicking. I came into the thread saying that Pollard also missed a lot when he just started.
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Your main gripe, it seems, is that Pollard's "poor form" goes uncriticized on these streets...

I ask again, were you active on these forums in 2014 when Pollard's international career began?

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Keyboard warrior here Pffft, really? Just cause I made a valid observation about the guy? Is he your hero? Shame man. Do better.
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So this thread starts Feb 2022, the season Pollard had a 88% success rate, followed by a 100% success rate in the 2023 RWC.

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The Rugby thread

TFW it's not available on any Compact Plus channels, so you watch it on a streaming site, streaming the SuperSport channel.
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The Rugby thread

TFW it's not available on any Compact Plus channels, so you watch it on a streaming site, streaming the SuperSport channel.
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The Rugby thread

TFW it's not available on any Compact Plus channels, so you watch it on a streaming site, streaming the SuperSport channel.
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The Rugby thread

TFW it's not available on any Compact Plus channels, so you watch it on a streaming site, streaming the SuperSport channel.
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The Rugby thread

Druk hulle Bokke, druk hulle!
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Druk hulle Bokke, druk hulle!
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Did anyone else see the dangerous clean out on DeAllende now just before the Aussie kick in the in goal area?Yip, he also through his hands in the air.
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