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Jean Claude Vaaldamme
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So Mr True facts. Is Pollard a 90% kicker?
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Jean Claude Vaaldamme
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Shame, still trying to make a comeback? It actually starting to look sad now. You making up stats again with a few games that suits your narrative?Your main gripe, it seems, is that Pollard's "poor form" goes uncriticized on these streets...
I ask again, were you active on these forums in 2014 when Pollard's international career began?
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Keyboard warrior here Pffft, really? Just cause I made a valid observation about the guy? Is he your hero? Shame man. Do better.mybroadband.co.za
So this thread starts Feb 2022, the season Pollard had a 88% success rate, followed by a 100% success rate in the 2023 RWC.
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Did anyone else see the dangerous clean out on DeAllende now just before the Aussie kick in the in goal area?Yip, he also through his hands in the air.
Edit. And again you making up facts. I said Pollard also missed many kicks when he started. I never said poor form. I later attributed it to experience, but never poor form. You just making stuff up. Sad really.
Speedster
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Well, the stats these last two seasons kind of speak for themselves, don't they?
sand_man
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Trying to make a comeback? Hahaha... dude, read the room...
Anyway, here more made up stats for you to dispute.... Almost forgot about the 3 to 4 career ending injuries that Pollard's overcome to be playing today... makes his achievements even more remarkable...
Handre Pollard responds to incredible personal stat that led to World Cup glory
Handre Pollard did not play a huge amount at the World Cup, but the fly-half made it count when he was on the pitch.
www.rugbypass.com
Goal-kicking crisis highlights precarious situation ahead of World Cup
Poor kicking against Ireland last week was costly for the Springboks, but they don’t have an established and consistent Test kicker to turn to.
www.dailymaverick.co.za
Handre Pollard
A born winner, Handre Pollard made waves as a schoolboy and was earmarked as a future Springbok during his time at Paarl Gymnasium. Pollard earned a provincial call-up as early as primary school level, when he was selected in the Western Province squad…
www.ultimaterugby.com
Wow, look at all those kicks he missed!!
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Unlike I thought, it seems a few people on this thread actually played rugby and got a few concussions.
You claimed my post is erroneous in fact. Then your very next sentence you give erroneous facts?
Is that too difficult to understand? You see the irony?
Speedster
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You might want to point out my erroneous facts?
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Ok this is really my last post on this topic. I just ignore these arguing in circles on MBB. I have done it now for 3 pages but its enough. Everything is there for everyone to read and make their minds up.
Yes I gave it to you already. You said he is a 90% kicker. He is not. Even your friend gave stats for only the last 2 seasons and still he is not a 90% kicker.
OH and please before the next stupid point. I know already what it is. Just remember before you type it, I can look for tournaments or even games where Manie average 90% or higher. Thats not how stats work.
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Reading your arguments is giving me a concussion... fck me!!!
Anyway do you play Superbru? We'd be honoured to have your learned self join the game...
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I would not have expected anything less.
sand_man
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In test matches? Very difficult to find running stats, up to and including the last test match.
But over the last 2 test seasons it could well be at 90%.
2023 - 100%
2024
all SA's points in the 25-24 Dbn loss against Ireland, 8 from 8?
2 conversions and 2 penalties converted in the first test against Ireland, 27-20 to SA, Pollard missed 3 (4 from 7).
3 from 3 against Argentina over the weekend.
Didn't play against Portugal or Wales.
1 from 1 against NZ in the first test, didn't play in the 2nd test
1 from 1 against Australia in the 2nd test, didn't play in the first test..... 85%?
92.5% aggregate...
Anyway... enough is enough... You right @vaaldam, you win tonight's top mass debater award.. Gratz...
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I get it, maths is hard. So with a bit of help from Copilot here's some assistance for you. Since 1 January 2023 Handre Pollard has played in the following matches for SA, with the accompanying kicking stats:
- 1 Oct 2023 vs Tonga (4/4)
- 15 Oct 2023 vs France (2/2)
- 21 Oct 2023 vs England (3/3)
- 28 Oct 2023 vs New Zealand (4/4)
- 6 July 2024 vs Ireland (4/7)
- 13 July 2024 vs Ireland (8/8)
- 10 Aug vs Australia (0/0)
- 17 Aug vs Australia (1/2)
- 31 Aug vs New Zealand (0/0)
- 7 Sep vs New Zealand (2/2)
- 21 Sep vs Argentina (4/5)
- 28 Sep 2024 vs Argentina (3/3)
2023-24: 35/40 = 88%
So my apologies, I guess. He's an 88% kicker, not 90%.
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I did not come here to argue or win rewards. I made a simple statement, not quoting or mentioning any member. Just my opinion.
Then I was attacked, insulted and said my statement was thumb sucking.
So here we are.
sand_man
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How did you find the stats? Is Copilot AI? Not really endorsed the whole AI spiel personally but that's a discussion for another day...
Speedster
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Yeah, Copilot is Microsoft's AI.
sand_man
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How long did it take to generate those results? I've been scouring the net and reading flipping match reports off of Skysports to try decipher kicking form per test....
Speedster
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It was pretty quick to give the fixtures, and then I ran through supersport match summaries to confirm. AI isn't always accurate, as was the case here too.
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ok lets settle the debate on maanie... if HP is the #1 and Maanie is his back up
Who else do you pick in his place... ?
Who else do you pick in his place... ?
sand_man
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In who's place? Manie's place? And with Autumn series in mind? Or RWC 2027 in mind?
I don't think Rassie would drop him from the squad altogether. He really just needs to control his test match goal kicking anxiety and he will be good to go. Yes, I know, easier said than done...
One can never have too many 10s in the squad.
Sasha unlikely to be fit in time for the Autumn series so HP and ML are the 2 10s, with Damien Willemse, if fit and if picked, covering 10 and 15....
2027 is a different story. I can't see HP making it till then and if he does, the reality is he could break down at any stage. He would be used sparingly IMHO. One musn't forget he's had a number of career ending injuries already and although they may not have ended his career, there's a good chance they've shortened it considerably.
2027 is a straight shootout between ML and SFM, with HP playing off the bench perhaps, with Damien Willemse covering both 15 and 10. I think Rassie will want 2 specialist 10s and 1 cover at 10.
SFM's fitness isn't guaranteed either. Already a number of knee injuries so early on in his career.
Outside contenders for 2027 include Jordan Hendrikse and Ethan Wentzel (outside outside contender). The former can also cover 15 and 10. If Jordan can have a big 2025 in the URC, he is very much a contender. Already capped against Wales where he was "okay". He's shown he can kick and in pressure situations too. The latter (Wentzel) has been a revelation for the Cheetahs this CC season and at 24 he has time on his side (very unlikely we will see him in the green and gold just putting it out there)...
It's a very interesting time for Springbok rugby. Rassie's penchant for forward thinking really augurs well for us...
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So why aren't we number 1 in the rankings again after the big win over Argentina.
From what I understand Ireland haven't played any games recently, and it was our loss to Arg that put us second, so shouldn't a win put us number 1 again?
From what I understand Ireland haven't played any games recently, and it was our loss to Arg that put us second, so shouldn't a win put us number 1 again?