The SA Politics Thread Part 3

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644956409266577408

 

[TheChamp]

That's what I'm hoping for yes. That the Moonshot okes can keep the Doomsday okes at bay.

But it seems that GP has two options before it: either Doomsday or Moonshot...

Oh? For a minute there you sounded slightly despondent like someone who is giving up. You mustn't just hope, you must believe in the Moonshot Coalition, John cannot succeed if his supporters start getting cold feet.

 

[TheChamp]

Well apparently most tax payers from Gauteng are flocking to the Independent Republic. They are presumably DA voters, so that would theoretically make it harder for the DA to take Gauteng.

But then DA support in the Independent Republic should accordingly show significant growth, or something doesn't add up here.

What a dilemma...

 

[PrimeSteak]

IFP accepts DA's talks for 'moonshot pact' in efforts to attend to people's cries | News24

The IFP, in the country's best interest, has accepted DA leader John Steenhuisen's invitation to discuss the prospects of joining the party's proposed coalition agreement.

www.news24.com

Excellent.

 

[TheChamp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644956409266577408

Let's see who will be giving who a call when the DA dumps him and the others to go into a coalition with the Liberation Movement.

 

[BUDDH4]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645003888662048771

 

[DentistGuy]

https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/opinion/all-is-not-so-rosy-about-das-moonshot-to-union-buildings-2708bf98-3846-406b-96d1-24504c54d225

 

[cr@zydude]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644743699719487488

Poor Gauteng...the semi-gration to the Republic of the Western Cape will be turbo-charged... Let's hope the ANC-EFF get less than 50% in Gauteng then (got 48% combined in 2021 LGE).

Even if the ANC and EFF get below 50% combined, the DA would still need to convince just about all other parties to work with it it elect a DA premier. The DA doesn't have the best track record of working well with other parties, especially in Gauteng.

 

[TheChamp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645003888662048771

It's as simple as that, that's why the DA has catered for that, but it hasn't dawned on Herman "Over My Dead Body" Mashaba, that politics is way more complicated than swearing on your forefather's grave that you will never work with so and so.

 

[TheChamp]

Even if the ANC and EFF get below 50% combined, the DA would still need to convince just about all other parties to work with it it elect a DA premier. The DA doesn't have the best track record of working well with other parties, especially in Gauteng.

The EFF might actually lend a hand to the DA, and the DA will never say no as we have seen previously. The grand idea being that the DA will fail.

The EFF's strategy is very simple and could have been effective if they were not scoring so many own goals. They are avoiding being in the leadership for now and would rather give that responsibility to someone else, the idea is to eliminate both the ANC and the DA and be left as the only alternative for the voters, they have just succeeded in making both the ANC and the DA not to be viable alternatives in Tshwane. The idea is that in good time the voters will would look at them and think maybe they are worth taking a chance on.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Interesting take from Dawie.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645004876445876226

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645038629662736384

LMAO, they're going to leave the Doomsday Coalition... Once again over "arrogance" apparently...

/sighs

 

[TheChamp]

Interesting take from Dawie.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645004876445876226

Highly unlikely is being too kind, it's impossible. The only party that had a chance at this is ActionSA, they were the only party that appealed to voters from all the big three parties, ANC, EFF and DA, unfortunately they blew the chance to be something relevant so they will forever be the party that assists the DA to further it's goals.

 

[TheChamp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645038629662736384

LMAO, they're going to leave the Doomsday Coalition... Once again over "arrogance" apparently...

/sighs

It's called bargaining power and they know how to use it.

 

[PrimeSteak]

It's called bargaining power and they know how to use it.

They're just proving themselves to be unreliable coalition partners again and again... Persistently holding their partners at gunpoint, and demanding more and more...

LMAO, "bargaining power"...

 

[TheChamp]

They're just proving themselves to be unreliable coalition partners again and again... Persistently holding their partners at gunpoint, and demanding more and more...

LMAO, "bargaining power"...

So what? Is the DA and ANC and other parties going to have a moonshot coalition against them? Why do they need to be reliable? Maybe if someone gets too tired of their unreliability they would stop relying on them and get enough votes to govern outright?

Exactly, they have bargaining power and they are not afraid to use it, it's up to the others to find a way around that, if they can't it's not the PA's fault.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645318408680996864

 

[PrimeSteak]

Why do they need to be reliable? Maybe if someone gets too tired of their unreliability they would stop relying on them and get enough votes to govern outright?

Because:

• If they want to be taken seriously by other parties when coalitions are forming, they need to be seen as reliable partners (which they aren't).
• And with this reputation of theirs, people wouldn't want to work with them, effectively putting them on the backbenches.

Exactly, they have bargaining power and they are not afraid to use it, it's up to the others to find a way around that, if they can't it's not the PA's fault.

Ah yes, "bargaining power"...

Holding your fellow coalition partners at gunpoint over positions, and the moment they draw the line in the sand and say "We given you enough, m8s...", pull the trigger and betray them. Then join the opposing coalition.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645315451961110528

Paywalled.

 

[TheChamp]

Because:

• If they want to be taken seriously by other parties when coalitions are forming, they need to be seen as reliable partners (which they aren't).
• And with this reputation of theirs, people wouldn't want to work with them, effectively putting them on the backbenches.

Ah yes, "bargaining power"...

Holding your fellow coalition partners at gunpoint over positions, and the moment they draw the line in the sand and say "We given you enough, m8s...", pull the trigger and betray them. Then join the opposing coalition.

Rinse and repeat.

Taken seriously by other parties? Lol, who cares about that? The core business of being in politics is to get people to vote for you, not to be taken seriously by other parties.

The EFF has 10% of the vote, how much does all the parties being taken seriously by other parties have? You are living in ideological dreamland, I would have thought by now you would have woken up after your vivid dream of the PA dying after telling the DA to F off.