The SA Politics Thread Part 3

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TheChamp said:
It's the one, a series of unfortunate events for Masina.

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Court sets aside 2022 ANC Ekurhuleni Regional Conference results - SABC News - Breaking news, special reports, world, business, sport coverage of all South African current events. Africa's news leader.

The Eighth Regional Conference of the Ekurhuleni Region of the African National Conference, held at the Indaba Hotel in Fourways on 27 to 29 May 2022, and all decisions, resolutions and election results emanating from the Conference has been set aside by the Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg.
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So what would this mean then for ANC EKH and ANC GP?
 
PrimeSteak said:
So what would this mean then for ANC EKH and ANC GP?
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They will be dissolved and an interim structure formed, Mzwandile's buddy TK Nciza got the provincial SG post so he's covered, Masina is the one going to be out in the cold, they will probably include him in the structure but he will have no power Fikile Mbalula will be running Ekurhuleni from Luthuli House.

It's a great decision for seeing as the guy who is accused in the Tembisa Hospital corruption scandal was also elected on the same slate, will be a big blow for RET but also the EFF.
 
Well that is a bit awkward :laugh:

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Ramaphosa confident ANC will win 2024 polls with a convincing majority

African National Congress (ANC) president Cyril Ramaphosa was speaking at the wreath-laying ceremony of late ANC deputy secretary-general, Jessie Duarte on Monday.
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The thing we can be sure of is that the ANC will lose their majority.

The only two questions that arise are:
  1. How far below 50% will they fall?
  2. Will they be able to form a government?
 
TheChamp said:
That's nice, hopefully at some point it would result into some visible action, there's just too many discussions and very little to show in terms of action.
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Putin is going to come to CT and go and Alan is going to regret busying himself in meetings with USA guys. I won't be surprised if all these "USA" guys are actually Russian guys keeping him occupied.
 
TheChamp said:
Yes, the ones who told him to get his smug face off the T-shirt because it is only the Prince from the great house of Phindangene whose face can be on a T-shirt.
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Yeah, the IFP leadership race has been pretty troublesome. Buthelezi has been wanting to retire but he just stays on to halt some of the turmoil for now.

He is 95 though so they need to find a solution sooner rather than later.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Yeah, the IFP leadership race has been pretty troublesome. Buthelezi has been wanting to retire but he just stays on to halt some of the turmoil for now.

He is 95 though so they need to find a solution sooner rather than later.
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He caused all the troubles of leadership that beset the party, he is a common dictator like Mugabe and the others who just could not let go.

Even now he is not doing the party any favours by continuing to be a looming shadow that's allowing the party to build their whole identity on him, by delaying the natural democratic processes he is just making things worse. Infighting will naturally happen for positions, that's part of democracy, you can't avoid that.

The sooner the IFP starts getting used to doing things normally and actually going to a conference and electing a leader instead of having one bestowed to them by the spiritual leader, the better.
 
PrimeSteak said:
I think when it comes to powers in the President and Parliament, we're good.

Although I'd prefer the President and other heads like Premiers, etc to be directly elected.

The Deputy Presidency is essentially a meme, that can be abolished or can maybe be converted to a prime ministerial office (and split the current Presidential powers between the two).

Could you elaborate?
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If the President is directly elected they have a much stronger mandate to govern and would not be as reliant on Parliament as they currently are. Do you want to weaken Parliament?

You can have a Prime Minister in a presidential system, but that gets to a system like France, which you called a strong man system previously.

My reason for wanting a separate head of state with reserve powers is a situation like this:

The National Assembly passes a vote of no confidence in the President or Prime Minister, that causes the entire cabinet to resign. The Speaker now becomes acting President until the National Assembly elects the next President.

During that day or two, if an unidentified plane enters SA airspace, would the Speaker be confident enough to shoot it down?

What if the plane enters SA during the no confidence vote or while the new election is happening, who gets to make the call then?

That's why I'd like someone with reserve powers.
 
TheChamp said:
That's nice, hopefully at some point it would result into some visible action, there's just too many discussions and very little to show in terms of action.
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Which would be what sanctions?
It won't be pretty if it happens I reckon.
 
cr@zydude said:
If the President is directly elected they have a much stronger mandate to govern and would not be as reliant on Parliament as they currently are. Do you want to weaken Parliament?
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No, I disagree. How will merely changing the way presidents, etc. are elected weaken Parliament itself?

In South Korea, where they had a Zuma-type era, the parliament managed to remove the president via impeachment. They held the president accountable.

Why do I mention South Korea, you ask? Because they directly elect their President.

Directly electing these leaders would remove most of the political intrigue and coalition flip-flopping we've seen in councils since 2021.
If a mayor, president, etc. is removed, it's put to the people and not councillors to decide. Add that with the DA's bill limiting MONCs to once or twice a year and you've mostly closed things down.
cr@zydude said:
You can have a Prime Minister in a presidential system, but that gets to a system like France, which you called a strong man system previously.
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There's a difference tho. In France and Turkey, the president doesn't have to rely on Parliament or even the prime minister (in their case something like a prime minister along with the president will be like the mostly useless deputy president here) to get things done. What they say goes...

The powers aren't split like it is here between the executive/Presidency and Parliament.
cr@zydude said:
My reason for wanting a separate head of state with reserve powers is a situation like this:

The National Assembly passes a vote of no confidence in the President or Prime Minister, that causes the entire cabinet to resign. The Speaker now becomes acting President until the National Assembly elects the next President.

During that day or two, if an unidentified plane enters SA airspace, would the Speaker be confident enough to shoot it down?

What if the plane enters SA during the no confidence vote or while the new election is happening, who gets to make the call then?

That's why I'd like someone with reserve powers.
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Acting President


90. (1) When the President is absent from the Republic or otherwise unable to fulfil the duties of President, or during a vacancy in the office of President, an office-bearer in the order below acts as President:


(a) The Deputy President.


(b) A Minister designated by the President.


(c) A Minister designated by the other members of the Cabinet.


(d) The Speaker, until the National Assembly designates one of its other members.


(2) An Acting President has the responsibilities, powers and functions of the President.
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The SA Constitution

Constitution of the Republic of South Africa
www.justice.gov.za www.justice.gov.za
 
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