The Shroom Thread

[saor]

The best friend you will have is the internet. Do some digging around and you might have some luck .

There are several psychedelics that are much more accessible than you might think. Lots of people grow plants not knowing they contain schedule 1 drugs. Trichocereus, morning glories, some acacias...

Those plants might be accessible but how accessible is the experience? The cactus requires a lot of material consumption and from my own experience and others even in this thread the trip is usually meh at most. Morning glories...that's a lot of seed to consume for an uncertain experience. Acacia...look, if they don't want to grow shrooms they're certainly not gonna go through a tek to get dmt from acacia bark.

Those things are cool, but for someone looking to trip - I dunno...not so much imo.

 

[Ancalagon]

I've generally found cannabis helps a lot to achieve lift-off. I don't generally smoke at the lower doses - kinda nice having a clear head for the experience. My two really out there trips were shrooms + weed.

I forgot about the fact that weed is now legal in SA. I've never really had weed. I had half a brownie in Amsterdam once, and felt nothing.

So I might try it out. Just not sure when. I have this idea of going for a hike in Golden Gate national park, of course I'd need to limit my intoxication. I was thinking something like 1g of shrooms with no weed.

Those plants might be accessible but how accessible is the experience? The cactus requires a lot of material consumption and from my own experience and others even in this thread the trip is usually meh at most. Morning glories...that's a lot of seed to consume for an uncertain experience. Acacia...look, if they don't want to grow shrooms they're certainly not gonna go through a tek to get dmt from acacia bark.

Those things are cool, but for someone looking to trip - I dunno...not so much imo.

The other problem with cactus is that not all of the San Pedros have any active ingredients at all. You have no idea how hard you will be tripping, if at all, until you eat it. I still want to do a big cactus trip, but in general I find shrooms much more accessible. I think most agree, as you say.

Also it is only specific Acacias that have enough DMT to be worth bothering about, as far as I know.

 

[saor]

I forgot about the fact that weed is now legal in SA. I've never really had weed. I had half a brownie in Amsterdam once, and felt nothing.

So I might try it out. Just not sure when. I have this idea of going for a hike in Golden Gate national park, of course I'd need to limit my intoxication. I was thinking something like 1g of shrooms with no weed.

Weed & shrooms have a really cool synergy at high doses. I like to ride the shrooms to a point, maybe an hour or two and then smoke a joint. The weed also seems to help unhinge me from myself and makes it easier to get totally lost in the experience. I had an amazing trip on top of a golf course in the UK once...overlooking green country-side hills and as this storm rolled in overhead we smoked a joint beneath a big tree on the hill and 10 minutes later I was out in the rain & storm staring up at a portal to the heavens...losing all sense of self and self-concern. Was very memorable. The train ride home...not so much fun .

 

[Ancalagon]

Weed & shrooms have a really cool synergy at high doses. I like to ride the shrooms to a point, maybe an hour or two and then smoke a joint. The weed also seems to help unhinge me from myself and makes it easier to get totally lost in the experience. I had an amazing trip on top of a golf course in the UK once...overlooking green country-side hills and as this storm rolled in overhead we smoked a joint beneath a big tree on the hill and 10 minutes later I was out in the rain & storm staring up at a portal to the heavens...losing all sense of self and self-concern. Was very memorable. The train ride home...not so much fun .

Sounds cool, but I don't think I'd want to try that while hiking! I wouldn't want to get lost or something.

I'll be spending a few days with a friend of mine who is a big psychedelic user, so I might trip with him. That would be the best actually, always better to trip with a friend I think.

 

[krieg]

Sounds cool, but I don't think I'd want to try that while hiking! I wouldn't want to get lost or something.

I'll be spending a few days with a friend of mine who is a big psychedelic user, so I might trip with him. That would be the best actually, always better to trip with a friend I think.

Happenstance that this video should drop after the genetic discussion, this guy explains it so much better.

 

[scudsucker]

Morning glories...that's a lot of seed to consume for an uncertain experience.

I tried this years ago when I found a small forest that had been completely overtaken with invasive morning glories. Started with 10 seeds, obviously nothing.

Worked my way up to 1000 seeds which gave a mild 4hr LSD-like trip. I believe the flowers that are bred for lysergic acid amide are way stronger (like, eat 5-8 seeds) but 1000 is a bit much for the mild experience.

 

[woolmer]

Those plants might be accessible but how accessible is the experience? The cactus requires a lot of material consumption and from my own experience and others even in this thread the trip is usually meh at most. Morning glories...that's a lot of seed to consume for an uncertain experience. Acacia...look, if they don't want to grow shrooms they're certainly not gonna go through a tek to get dmt from acacia bark.

Those things are cool, but for someone looking to trip - I dunno...not so much imo.

Sure some of these might be impractical but if someone really wanted to have an intense experienced they should go through the process of preparing everything correctly. It takes immense self-control to experience and appreciate psychedelics.

Perhaps your "meh" cacti experience was due to low dosage/improper preperation. There are lots of experienced psychonauts who really like the effects of mescaline.

I think dmt extraction is way easier than growing shrooms. It's like baking a cake... You can be done with your first pull in 2 hours.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

I've generally found cannabis helps a lot to achieve lift-off. I don't generally smoke at the lower doses - kinda nice having a clear head for the experience. My two really out there trips were shrooms + weed.

Yeah from my younger days that was definitely the case, a join would kick things off nicely.
I wouldnt recommend, weed+shrooms+acid that wasnt my most fun experience and it lasted a really long time.

Im not sure what things are like these days but that was about 20 years ago.

 

[woolmer]

The other problem with cactus is that not all of the San Pedros have any active ingredients at all. You have no idea how hard you will be tripping, if at all, until you eat it. I still want to do a big cactus trip, but in general I find shrooms much more accessible. I think most agree, as you say.

Also it is only specific Acacias that have enough DMT to be worth bothering about, as far as I know.

I've never read of a San Pedro cactus having no actives at all. It is true potency varies a lot, but luckily mescaline is a bit more forgiving than other psychedelics if you do dose high.

Most Acacias (especially African/South American) have not been thoroughly studied for their alkaloid content. There are definitely a few in South Africa worth looking into (as well as some invasive Australian acacias). Some other common species of plants present in SA are also reported to contain dmt/5-meo/bufo (Phalaris, Delosperma).

 

[saor]

Sure some of these might be impractical but if someone really wanted to have an intense experienced they should go through the process of preparing everything correctly. It takes immense self-control to experience and appreciate psychedelics.

Perhaps your "meh" cacti experience was due to low dosage/improper dosage. There are lots of experienced psychonauts who really like the effects of mescaline.

I think dmt extraction is way easier than growing shrooms. It's like baking a cake... You can be done with your first pull in 2 hours.

Easier? What tek are you using that doesn't require at least some specific equipment & process? What are you using for your base solution etc? I dunno...DMT might be quicker, but the process is a lot more specific with way less margin for error than a few pf cakes. Shrooms doesn't need anything more than what's available at a nursery and some jars.

 

[Ancalagon]

I've never read of a San Pedro cactus having no actives at all. It is true potency varies a lot, but luckily mescaline is a bit more forgiving than other psychedelics if you do dose high.

Most Acacias (especially African/South American) have not been thoroughly studied for their alkaloid content. There are definitely a few in South Africa worth looking into (as well as some invasive Australian acacias). Some other common species of plants present in SA are also reported to contain dmt/5-meo/bufo (Phalaris, Delosperma).

Remind me to post some links to scientific studies demonstrating a range of percentages. San Pedro ranges from 4.7% (dried) to 0% (dried).

That's the problem with it.

 

[woolmer]

Easier? What tek are you using that doesn't require at least some specific equipment & process? What are you using for your base solution etc? I dunno...DMT might be quicker, but the process is a lot more specific with way less margin for error than a few pf cakes. Shrooms doesn't need anything more than what's available at a nursery and some jars.

I don't follow a specific tek per se but the first one I did was cyb's hybrid which is extremely fool-proof. You'd probably only need to buy caustic soda and naphtha at builders and the rest you should have at home. It's not a specific process at all. Once you understand what goes on at each step you can easily change up the values.

Mind you I've never grown shrooms, but the process does seem a lot longer and perhaps more tricky due to variables that can be difficult to control.

 

[Not_original]

Quick question. Do any of you know of confirmed sources of dmt or 5meo in any plants found in the Highveld?

 

[lambch0p]

TGIF. Whos planning a trip this weekend, and what will you be having?

 

[schuits]

Quick question. Do any of you know of confirmed sources of dmt or 5meo in any plants found in the Highveld?

None that I know, and I did an lot of reading.

Delosperma cooperi is a candidate, but unconfirmed. When I tried to extract from it I got a yellow waxy substance, and when I tried to defat that I wasn't left with anything useful.

I'd love to try extract from wattle, since it's in the acacia family (Acacia mearnsii), I just never got around to it.

 

[krieg]

TGIF. Whos planning a trip this weekend, and what will you be having?

Sadly couldn't source for this weekend but next weekend I will be having a big dose of Blue Meanies.

 

[krieg]

None that I know, and I did an lot of reading.

Delosperma cooperi is a candidate, but unconfirmed. When I tried to extract from it I got a yellow waxy substance, and when I tried to defat that I wasn't left with anything useful.

I'd love to try extract from wattle, since it's in the acacia family (Acacia mearnsii), I just never got around to it.

Have you successfully made DMT from anything else like you said the Acacia family?

 

[saor]

TGIF. Whos planning a trip this weekend, and what will you be having?

Saving any journeys for the holidays. Wanna get as much work finished as possible before mid-december so I can proper relax.

 

[woolmer]

Quick question. Do any of you know of confirmed sources of dmt or 5meo in any plants found in the Highveld?

You could have luck with one of the phalaris species (aquatica, arundinacea). Some varieties of A. Longifolia are said to be decently active so this would be worth exploring.

I've had a small yield from A. senegalia or A. seyal (can't quite remember which), but the project was unfortunately abandoned due to personal reasons.

An A. cyclops phyllodes extraction yielded A LOT of yellow oil but bioassay was negative. Still think this is worth exploring more... and considering it is highly invasive I've got no issue ripping these trees apart.

There are reports of A. Xanthophloea, A. Nilotica, and several other yielding as well. Check the nexus for more info.

Please take care when harvesting these trees and NEVER strip bark from a tree trunk or roots (lest it is an invasive, such as A. Cyclops, A. Longifolia, A. Mearnsii...). If you are going to do an extraction cut off a branch and use the phyllodes and twigs of the tree. The twigs will have the same % alkaloids as the trunk and the root bark is never really worth taking from Acacias.

 

[woolmer]

Delosperma cooperi is a candidate, but unconfirmed. When I tried to extract from it I got a yellow waxy substance, and when I tried to defat that I wasn't left with anything useful.

This is interesting and useful info. I have also tried an extraction on D. Cooperi but yielded next to nothing. I've yet to read a single report of a successful D. Cooperi extraction.