The Syrian Conflict Thread

daveza said:
Why must it always be Obama and the USA ?

There are dozens of other countries able to attack Syria.

Israel is close.... ;)
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Israel could mop this up relatively swiftly, but can you imagine the outrage from the muslim world? Plus it'd give Cosatu another reason to rally
 
Israel could mop this up relatively swiftly, but can you imagine the outrage from the muslim world?
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Yup, it was tongue in cheek, but the world can't complain about the USA being the self-appointed global policeman but then look to them first to take action.
 
daveza said:
Why must it always be Obama and the USA ?

There are dozens of other countries able to attack Syria.

Israel is close.... ;)
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Tomahawk cruise missiles. Means no infantry on the ground, no iraq situation. It isn't always the US, they never bombed libya. They attacked Afghanistan for supposedly pulling off 911 when most of the hijackers were saudis. Can't see how the taliban masterminded that attack but they could not exactly blame the largest well the second largest oil exporter now. Iraq was typical republican, bomb shyte and think later. Obama at least for the moment seems to be thinking before bombing so i must give him credit for that.

The precision weapons they have(tomhawk) means they could and this is just my thoughts take out 90-100% of all assad's military equipment and cripple the assad government within a few hours. No planes, artillery, anti aircraft, tanks etc, setup a no fly zone. Who else can apply international law as they see fit?

Nivek if i may ask where did sky get that info from? can't seem to find the link. Which area as well, perhaps they should press for Un inspectors to go to the hospitals in question. If assad says no, green light mr president.
 
daveza said:
And no other country has anything comparable ?
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Nope. The UK might have the missiles but the US has so many warships and subs. It isn't a matter of comparing missiles, it is a matter of how they are launched. Russia could have something to rival it but i am not sure.

Apart from the US and the UK(no idea what their navy consists of) i don't know of any pro american country with the capability to fire the missiles due to their lack of naval vessels roaming the seas. Russia and china might have something similar but i don't know to be honest but the tomahawk is one of the most amazing weapons i have ever seen. Go google it. So basically the US are the only country who have a large number of the missiles and enough ships and subs to launch them and the US navy is something beyond belief and so is the tomahawk.

Russia and china must have something as good or better but they don't fight wars at the moment no one really knows.
 
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killadoob said:
Russia and china must have something as good or better
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Q: What is the term given to a russian nuclear submarine as it resurfaces ?
A: The 8th wonder of the world.

A russian warship is on a diplomacy mission. It docks in New York harbour, where locals are allowed to board & explore the ship. The commander notices the deck is getting rather wet & slippery - but see's a Walmart across the road from the harbor.
The commander dashes over & explains the situation to the store manager and asks the manager "can you give me a large rubber mat for the ship".
The store manager takes a long look at the ship in the harbour & hands the commander a small rubber mat & says: "not sure where I will keep it, but it's a fair swap" !
 
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killadoob said:
Nope. The UK might have the missiles but the US has so many warships and subs. It isn't a matter of comparing missiles, it is a matter of how they are launched. Russia could have something to rival it but i am not sure.

Apart from the US and the UK(no idea what their navy consists of) i don't know of any pro american country with the capability to fire the missiles due to their lack of naval vessels roaming the seas. Russia and china might have something similar but i don't know to be honest but the tomahawk is one of the most amazing weapons i have ever seen. Go google it. So basically the US are the only country who have a large number of the missiles and enough ships and subs to launch them and the US navy is something beyond belief and so is the tomahawk.

Russia and china must have something as good or better but they don't fight wars at the moment no one really knows.
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Storm Shadows will also do trick, plenty of allies as well as a few arab states have them.
 
i have just watched a video on cnn where many people have been killed with chemical weapons. what are these weapons that are being used that are causing such horrendous damage and killings?
 
daveza said:
Yup, it was tongue in cheek, but the world can't complain about the USA being the self-appointed global policeman but then look to them first to take action.
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Yet they're doing exactly that now. Just a skim through editorials and columns on the RCW front page sees Obama coming in for plenty of abuse over his inaction. Hell even Slate bashes Obama for non intervention over this....

The 'world' is getting what they 'voted for' good and proper.

Celine said:
i have just watched a video on cnn where many people have been killed with chemical weapons. what are these weapons that are being used that are causing such horrendous damage and killings?
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Nobody knows yet what chemical agent was used but claims are it was delivered by 122mm(IIRC) rockets. The Syrian regime has an extensive chemical weapons program.

Western non-governmental organizations have stated they believe Syria has an active chemical weapons program.[5][6][7][8] Syria is not a party to the Chemical Weapons Convention, though it denied that it had chemical weapons[9] until admitting it possessed such weapons in 2012.[10] Syria is one of six states that have not signed and eight that have not ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention.[11] Syria reportedly manufactures Sarin, Tabun, VX, and mustard gas types of chemical weapons.[12] Independent assessments indicate that Syrian production could be up to a combined total of a few hundred tons of chemical agent per year.[13] (To provide context for this estimate, 190,000 tons were manufactured by World War I participants.[14])
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
 
Alan said:
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Nobody knows yet what chemical agent was used but claims are it was delivered by 122mm(IIRC) rockets. The Syrian regime has an extensive chemical weapons program.
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Probably based on the described symptoms and treatment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclosarin and Sarin mixture.

I'll put my head on a block and say it's Sarin or cyclosarin mixture like the Iranians used in the Iran Iraq war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclosarin . Read Le Monde Article.


At first, there is only a little sound, a metallic ping, almost a click. And in the confusion of daily combat in Jobar's Bahra 1 sector, this sound didn't catch the attention of the fighters of the Tahrir al-Sham ('Liberation of Syria') Brigade. 'We thought it was a mortar that didn't explode, and no one really paid attention to it,' said Omar Haidar, chief of operations of the brigade, which holds this forward position less than 500 meters from Abbasid Square.

Searching for words to describe the incongruous sound, he said it was like 'a Pepsi can that falls to the ground.' No odor, no smoke, not even a whistle to indicate the release of a toxic gas. And then the symptoms appear. The men cough violently. Their eyes burn, their pupils shrink, their vision blurs. Soon they experience difficulty breathing, sometimes in the extreme; they begin to vomit or lose consciousness. The fighters worst affected need to be evacuated before they suffocate.
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About 600 people were exposed to sarin released in a residential area of the Japanese city of Matsumoto in June 1994. 58 residents were admitted to hospital and 7 died.
In March 1995 sarin was released into the Tokyo subway system during rush hour. Over 5,000 people sought medical attention. Of these people, 984 were moderately poisoned, 54 were severely poisoned and 12 died. However, the vast majority had no signs of organophosphate poisoning. Many more people presented in the following 24 hours, but none had features of organophosphate poisoning.


Presentation:


Eyes:

Miosis: this may be painful and last for several days. It occurs rapidly following exposure to sarin vapour and is a sensitive index of exposure to sarin vapour.
Impaired accommodation.
Conjunctival injection.
Skin:
Liquid sarin may cause localised sweating and fasciculation.
Respiratory (inhalation):
Increased bronchial secretions, chest tightness, rhinorrhoea and increased salivation occur within minutes.
Ingestion:
Ingestion of contaminated food or water may cause abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and faecal incontinence.
Systemic features:
May follow contact by vapour, liquid on skin or ingestion. Systemic features follow vapour exposure very rapidly but more slowly following skin contact or ingestion.
Abdominal pain, nausea and vomiting, involuntary micturition and defecation, muscle weakness and fasciculation, tremor, restlessness, ataxia and convulsions.
Bradycardia, tachycardia and hypotension may occur.
Differential diagnosis
Other organophosphate nerve agents used as chemical warfare agents include tabun, soman and cyclosarin.


sauce http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Sarin-Poisoning.htm

Interesting thing is the Syrian Govt has been releasing Varying Sarin concentrations since APRIL if Le Monde is to be believed and it makes sense , because small targeted chemical attacks following a systematic pattern avoid International suspicion well that is until they released accidently or otherwise a super big concentration a few days ago and the world is waking up...but these symtoms above match Sarin exposure.
 
Assad: We did not use chemical weapons

Syrian President Bashar Assad says his troops did not use chemical weapons in an attack on rebel positions in a Damascus suburb last week where hundreds of people died.

Assad told Russia's Izvestia daily that the accusations that his troops were responsible were "politically motivated." He said in an interview published Monday that attacking such an area with chemical weapons would not make sense for the government as there was no clear frontline between regime and rebel forces.

Syria said Sunday that a U.N. team could investigate the site but a senior White House official dismissed the deal as "too late to be credible."


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 26 Aug 2013 08:52
 
Iran warns UN Official Syria Attack to Imperil Region

Iran has warned a visiting top UN official of "serious consequences" for the region in case of international military action in Syria, foreign ministry spokesman Abbas Araqchi said Tuesday.

The message was conveyed by Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in a meeting on Monday with UN political affairs chief Jeffrey Feltman, who is in Tehran for talks that included Syria, Araqchi told reporters.

"The use of military means (against Syria) will have serious consequences not only for Syria but for the entire region," Araqchi said recounting conversations between Zarif and Feltman.

The main regional ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Iran has in recent days warned against Western military intervention in Syria after suspected chemical weapons attacks outside Damascus last week.

The Assad regime and rebels groups fighting it have accused each other of carrying out the attacks, which are said to have killed hundreds.

Araqchi repeated claims that there was "proof" of Syrian rebels having used chemical weapons, adding that Russia, another key Assad ally, had submitted it to the UN Security Council.

Highlighting what he called the "sensitive situation" in the region, Araqchi advised the West to exercise "wisdom" in dealing with Syria, especially since "there is no authorisation from the Security Council" for military action.

The remarks came after US Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the use of chemical weapons was undeniable, and that the Obama administration would hold Damascus accountable.

Kerry also suggested that the US was moving closer to a military response after consulting its allies.

Earlier British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the West could act on Syria even without full UN Security Council backing.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 27 Aug 2013 11:02
 
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