The Syrian Conflict Thread

You refused to read the rt report, as the report did not fit your narrative - that was obvious to all, given that for years you had bowed to, and consistently quoted the gospel of RT aka kremlin daily / putin herald

English translations of the document were available - you refused to accept any source of translation insisting on the original by the french government - which you were / are fully aware, was in french - the national language of france, which you don't understand, but still refused to accept any translation.

Circles & circles, like playing chess with a pigeon on a merry-go-round.

Nope i refused to read any report due to the spin from various parties. Be it cnn, bbc, rt, aljazeera. I have never denied assad did this with full belief, that it is the truth, i have said it seems unlikely due to common sense and i have said it could have been him.

No you said english versions of the document were not available and failed to provide me with the source after telling me i can't google :D. Give me a link to the english version and i will glady read it, give me a link to a media site and i won't. My narrative isn't one way or the other and it never has been. I don't think assad did it but i have never ruled out assad having done it. You even linked the french version for us to read grant. you got seriously agro when i refused to read any media review if i recall as well.

Anyways i will do this to move us along.... and back on topic. I believe everything i read from all sources and think for myself, now can we move on.
 
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Nope i refused to read any report due to the spin from various parties. Be it cnn, bbc, rt, aljazeera. I have never denied assad did this with full belief, that it is the truth, i have said it seems unlikely due to common sense and i have said it could have been him.

No you said english versions of the document were not available and failed to provide me with the source after telling me i can't google :D. Give me a link to the english version and i will glady read it, give me a link to a media site and i won't. My narrative isn't one way or the other and it never has been. I don't think assad did it but i have never ruled out assad having done it. You even linked the french version for us to read grant. you got seriously agro when i refused to read any media review if i recall as well.

Are you totally insane ?
How many times do you have to be told that the report by the french government was in the french language, thus no english VERSION.
English TRANSLATIONS of the original french version were available - but no source was able to meet your exacting standards.

Anybody can go back to the multitudes of posts I submitted.
It is when you become completely obtuse, that people lose it with you.

Since we are on the subject of media, would you mind declaring your source of information.
You consistently point your fingers & accuse everyone of being brainwashed by "the media".
You always claim you do not rely on "the media" as a reliable source.

For the record, if not the media (internet / newspapers / tv / radio etc) exactly what is your source ??
 
CBS News says it almost gave up on Assad interview

CBS News had essentially given up its pursuit of Syrian President Bashar Assad for an interview because he would not agree to go on "60 Minutes," until Charlie Rose suggested airing it on PBS.

CBS News Chairman Jeff Fager, who accompanied Rose to Damascus last weekend, said Assad and his team would not go on "60 Minutes" because they wanted to have a say how the interview would be edited, and CBS refused. Assad opted for a longer airing on PBS on Monday night.

The interview was a coup for Rose, who was pursuing it for CBS since last spring. It was the Syrian president's first TV interview with a U.S. outlet since he spoke to Barbara Walters of ABC News in December 2011, and came as President Barack Obama and Congress are considering a military response to Assad's purported use of chemical weapons in an attack against rebel forces.

"I've never received so much feedback for a single interview," Rose said Tuesday.

Rose, who is host of "CBS This Morning" in addition to his own PBS interview show, landed the interview with a promise that PBS would air the talk at the same length as an interview Rose had done with President Barack Obama this summer. That's how it played out, although the Assad talk was edited slightly for length.

"In the end, it was so important that it was great that we figured out a way around it," said Fager, also executive producer of "60 Minutes."

Assad got the format he wanted. But along with a time conflict with the U.S. Open, it may have cost him in terms of audience size. PBS aired the interview in prime time on most stations, bumping "Antiques Roadshow." It was seen by an estimated 1.2 million people, according to the Nielsen company, or less than half the typical audience for the antiques show. CBS has a much bigger footprint: An estimated 9.3 million people watched a repeat episode of "60 Minutes" on Sunday.

Despite the earlier concerns about editing, Assad and his aides put no restrictions on the interview, Fager said, saying they anticipated and expected tough questions. Assad got them, though he didn't always answer; in response to a Rose question about stockpiles of chemical weapons, Assad said, "We don't say yes, we don't say no."

Rose asked Assad what responsibility he felt about the death and destruction in his country. He asked him to respond to critics who called him a butcher and compared him to "some of the worst dictators to walk the face of the Earth." He also asked whether Assad wasn't following the example of his father, who also led Syria, in "ruthlessly" eliminating opponents.

"Sometimes there's power in the questions themselves," Rose said. "It has an importance, regardless of whether or not the person answers."

Rose said he prepared for two days and carefully mapped out the interview. It seems contradictory, but that actually makes room for spontaneity, he said.

"It was as good an interview as I've ever seen in this kind of a situation," Fager said.

CBS first aired portions of the Assad interview on "CBS This Morning" on Monday, continuing on Tuesday. Although it missed the deadline for "60 Minutes" last week, a story will air on the interview this weekend, Fager said.

CBS found itself in an odd situation with its flagship "CBS Evening News" on Monday. It had an exclusive with the Assad interview, and anchor Scott Pelley was one of a handful of television journalists granted an interview with Obama on Monday. Yet the evening news was pre-empted on all but the West Coast by CBS Sports' telecast of the U.S. Open men's tennis finals.

The network posted Pelley's interview online at 6 p.m. Eastern and cut into the tennis match for a two-minute report on the Obama interview.

"That's just bad luck," Fager said. "It happens sometimes."

Although CBS' first choice in these stories is still "60 Minutes," there were plenty of other ways for it to be seen, he said.

"It stops really being about where it's going to air because the ability to see it out there online and the ability for people to watch it in so many ways has changed so dramatically," he said.


Source : Sapa-AP /nsm
Date : 11 Sep 2013 00:43
 
Syria Rebels announce withdrawal from Christian Town

Syrian rebel fighters announced on Tuesday their withdrawal from the historic Christian town of Maalula near Damascus, two days after they took control of it.

"To ensure no blood is spilt and that the properties of the people of Maalula are kept safe, the Free Syrian Army announces that the town of Maalula will be kept out of the struggle between the FSA and the regime army," a rebel spokesman said in a video posted online.

The spokesman for the Qalamun Liberation Front, which groups together a collection of anti-regime forces in the Qalamun area near Damascus, also said the withdrawal was "conditional".

"The army and its shabiha (militias) must not enter into the town," said the spokesman, whose name was not given in the video.

The town, home to about 5,000 people, is strategically important for rebels, who are trying to tighten their grip around Damascus and already have bases all around the capital.

On Sunday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and residents said rebel forces, including jihadists linked to Al-Qaeda, had overrun Maalula.

The Britain-based Observatory said Al-Nusra Front, which has pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, was among the forces that had taken control of the town.

Battalions affiliated with the Western-backed FSA had also entered Maalula, he said.

Civilians started fleeing the town nearly a week ago, fearing an imminent escalation.

The exodus has left Maalula virtually empty, residents say.

Picturesque Maalula is nestled under a large cliff and is considered a symbol of the Christian presence in Syria.

Many of its inhabitants speak Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus Christ that only small, scattered communities around the world still use.


Source : Sapa-AFP /ss
Date : 10 Sep 2013 21:49
 
So al nusra have withdrawn their forces? Nice to see the FSA being decent about this. Now i hope the assad regime and al nusra will do the same.
 
So al nusra have withdrawn their forces? Nice to see the FSA being decent about this. Now i hope the assad regime and al nusra will do the same.

That is the question.

JIHADISTS who overran Syria's Christian town of Maalula last week forced at least one person to convert to Islam at gunpoint and executed another.

"They arrived in our town at dawn on Wednesday and shouted 'We are from the Al-Nusra Front and have come to make lives miserable for the Crusaders,'' an Islamist term for Christians, said a still frightened woman who identified herself as Marie.

She spoke in Damascus, where she was attending the burial with hundreds of others of three Christians from Maalula killed in last week's fighting, the long line of mourners led by a brass band playing dirges.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/j...la/story-fndir2ev-1226716527428#ixzz2eZvJm1u3

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Damascus - Syrian rebels were still positioned in a historic Christian town near Damascus on Wednesday, a day after they announced they were ready to withdraw, a security source told AFP.

"The army has not yet retaken Maalula. The battles are raging on, but [the army] is making progress," the source said on condition of anonymity.

"The rebels still hold some pockets of resistance inside Maalula and its surroundings," the source added.

Rebels announced on Tuesday they would withdraw from Maalula, but that their withdrawal was "conditional" on pro-regime forces not taking their place.

"The army and its shabiha [militias] must not enter into the town," a spokesperson for the rebels said via an online video statement.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Syria-rebels-still-in-Christian-town-Maalula-20130911-4
 
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* Russia doesn't care about the USA in Afghanistan or Iraq, but as soon as the USA announces its intention to attack (not necessarily invade) Syria, Russia becomes extremely belligerent - even sending warships to the Mediterranean
* Russia offers to take control of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile, but when the UN suggests that it should be the body to do so, Russia bluntly rejects this suggestion

What is in Syria that Russia so desperately doesn't want the rest of the world to find?
 
News24, needs to separate, rebels from jihadists. We need to know what the extremists are doing, the FSA have no control over them. Along with you staggy i also read numerous reports alnusra had taken the city, slaughtered people, must have missed the report that FSA took the town.

They don't take orders from the FSA nor do they just withdraw.
 
* Russia doesn't care about the USA in Afghanistan or Iraq, but as soon as the USA announces its intention to attack (not necessarily invade) Syria, Russia becomes extremely belligerent - even sending warships to the Mediterranean
* Russia offers to take control of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile, but when the UN suggests that it should be the body to do so, Russia bluntly rejects this suggestion

What is in Syria that Russia so desperately doesn't want the rest of the world to find?

I find most pieces of this jigsaw fit together if you look at the pipeline theory
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...ict-Thread?p=11111127&viewfull=1#post11111127

For Russia,if Assad is removed & Qatar gets to run a pipline thru there then Russia loses it's monopoly over gas sales to Europe.
Gazprom:
Gazprom's activities accounted for 8% of Russia's gross domestic product in 2011
The European Union as a whole gets about 25 percent of its gas supplies from Gazprom.
 
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* Russia doesn't care about the USA in Afghanistan or Iraq, but as soon as the USA announces its intention to attack (not necessarily invade) Syria, Russia becomes extremely belligerent - even sending warships to the Mediterranean
* Russia offers to take control of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile, but when the UN suggests that it should be the body to do so, Russia bluntly rejects this suggestion

What is in Syria that Russia so desperately doesn't want the rest of the world to find?

Americans breaking international war and sending a vast fleet is fine though. They signed the UN conditions, going to war with syria is against international law but the russians are belligerent? Seems a bit odd in my opinion.

Afghanistan was 911 related, iraq the russians were already pissed off, after libya is when russia and china drew a red line. No more international law breaking by the worlds policeman. As bad as our police force.
 
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* Russia doesn't care about the USA in Afghanistan or Iraq, but as soon as the USA announces its intention to attack (not necessarily invade) Syria, Russia becomes extremely belligerent - even sending warships to the Mediterranean
* Russia offers to take control of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile, but when the UN suggests that it should be the body to do so, Russia bluntly rejects this suggestion

What is in Syria that Russia so desperately doesn't want the rest of the world to find?

I do not think there is anything sinister.

1 - The strategic importance of Russia's naval base in Tartus. There are plans to further expand it, allowing it to house and supply Russia's largest nuclear-armed warships. This is important as Russian vessels have to traverse the Turkish Straits when operating from Russia's Black Sea bases and Turkey is very much pro-West
2 - Longstanding and very valuable military, industrial and economic ties.
 
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Jihadists force Syria Christian 'to convert at gunpoint'

Jihadists who overran Syria's ancient town of Maalula last week disparaged Christians as "Crusaders" and forced at least one person to convert to Islam at gunpoint, say residents who fled the town.

Many of Maalula's people left after a first rebel assault knocked out an army checkpoint at the entrance to the strategic town on September 4. Some went to a nearby village and others to Damascus, about 55 kilometres (34 miles) to the south.

One of them, Marie, was still frightened as she spoke of that day.

"They arrived in our town at dawn... and shouted 'We are from the Al-Nusra Front and have come to make lives miserable for the Crusaders," an Islamist term for Christians, Marie said in Damascus, where she and hundreds of others attended the burial Tuesday of three Christian pro-regime militiamen killed in the fighting.

Maalula is one of the most renowned Christian towns in Syria, and many of its inhabitants speak Aramaic, the language of Jesus.

Home to around 5,000 people, it is strategically important for rebels, who are trying to tighten their grip around the capital.

It could also be used as a launching point for attacks on the highway between the capital and Homs, a key regime supply route.

The rebels have been in and out of the town since the first assault as they battle with government troops and militia.

On Sunday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and residents said rebels, including jihadists linked to Al-Qaeda, had overrun Maalula.

But on Tuesday night, the Free Syrian Army said rebels would withdraw to spare the town's people and heritage, on the condition that the regime kept its forces out as well.

However, they were still in the town on Wednesday, a Syrian security source said.

"The army has not yet retaken Maalula. The battles are raging on, but (the army) is making progress," the source said on condition of anonymity.

Some rebel groups have accused the army of having deliberately pulled out of the town in the fighting, leaving it open to jihadist capture, as a propaganda ploy to gain sympathy for the Christians there.

A nun from the Mar Takla Greek Orthodox convent in Maalula told AFP by telephone that "there were fierce battles (on Tuesday) but the town was not shelled. We and the orphans we take care of are doing well, but we lack fuel."

Recalling the events of last week, 62-year-old Adnan Nasrallah said an explosion destroyed an archway just across from his house that leads into the town.

"I saw people wearing Al-Nusra headbands who started shooting at crosses," said Nasrallah, a Christian.

One of them "put a pistol to the head of my neighbour and forced him to convert to Islam by obliging him to repeat 'there is no God but God'."

"Afterwards they joked, 'he's one of ours now'."

Nasrallah spent 42 years running a restaurant -- which he named Maalula -- in the US state of Washington and returned to Syria just before the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad broke out in March 2011.

"I had a great dream. I came back to my country to promote tourism. I built a guesthouse and spent $2,000 installing a windmill to provide electricity in the town.

"My dream has gone up in smoke. Forty-two years of work for nothing," he lamented.

But worse, for him, was what he said was the reaction of his Muslim neighbours when the town was seized by the rebels.

"Women came out on their balconies shouting with joy, and children... did the same. I discovered that our friendship was superficial."

But Nasrallah's sister, Antoinette, refused to condemn everyone, saying recent arrivals in the town were to blame.

"There are refugees from Harasta and Douma (in the suburbs of Damascus) that we have taken in, and they are spreading the poison of hatred, especially among the younger generation," she said.

Another resident, Rasha, recounted how the jihadists had seized her fiance Atef, who belonged to the town's militia, and brutally murdered him.

"I rang his mobile phone and one of them answered," she said.

"Good morning, Rashrush," a voice answered, using her nickname. "We are from the Free Syrian Army. Do you know your fiance was a member of the shabiha (pro-regime militia) who was carrying weapons, and we have slit his throat."

The man told her Atef had been given the option of converting to Islam, but had refused.

"Jesus didn't come to save him," he taunted.


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv
Date : 11 Sep 2013 13:46
 
Tuna i am thinking the end game here is not the pipeline but it could be, iran is the end game. The worlds 3rd largest oil reserves, they want a puppet in place.
 
Do these RETARDS who kill in the name of their "god" also believe in unicorns, the easter bunny and santa clause?
 
Do these RETARDS who kill in the name of their "god" also believe in unicorns, the easter bunny and santa clause?

They will believe whatever a country or someone says without question. They would kill in the name of the easter bunny if that is what they were taught.
 
Tuna i am thinking the end game here is not the pipeline but it could be, iran is the end game. The worlds 3rd largest oil reserves, they want a puppet in place.

I don't think there'll ever be an end game Killa after one they'll just go looking for another
 
Russia offers to take control of Syria's chemical weapons stockpile,
Nothing quite like the fox offering to look after the henhouse !

For Russia,if Assad is removed & Qatar gets to run a pipline thru there then Russia loses it's monopoly over gas sales to Europe.
At last, some sense & logic !!
And therein is one of mother russia's 3 motives, not the people - Chechnya revealed plenty about the motherland.
The other 2 are below:
I do not think there is anything sinister.
1 - The strategic importance of Russia's naval base in Tartus. There are plans to further expand it, allowing it to house and supply Russia's largest nuclear-armed warships. This is important as Russian vessels have to traverse the Turkish Straits when operating from Russia's Black Sea bases and Turkey is very much pro-West
2 - Longstanding and very valuable military, industrial and economic ties.

Russia's interest has zero to do with saving people, purely a self serving interest


Tuna i am thinking the end game here is not the pipeline but it could be, iran is the end game. The worlds 3rd largest oil reserves, they want a puppet in place.
The pipeline is pivotal.
Iran however needs and want assad in place, as it serves their political objectives. They absolutely no not want a sunni governed syria.
Russia is beyond desperate to keep it's syrian puppet in place, grooming it constantly, like a monkey in a tree, by means of un veto's, supply of military equipment, threatening to defend it's puppet regime from the "perceived" common enemy, buying time for the regime to quickly move it's chemical weapons out of harms way . . . .
 
Problem is not just syria grant, lebanon will fall shortly after. Leaving extremists on Israelis, iran and russian borders.

You guys demonize russia when russia has tried to broker a deal in syria since the beginning. You don't cry when the US are after something or protecting their assets but russia is demonized for doing the same. Double standard as usual. You can list one thing russia has done in last 10 years but the we can list plenty more for the US yet russia are the bad guys. The people going to war and killing with drones are not demonized but russia well they are bad ones.

Incredible. They are all bad, they all have agendas but saying russia is worse is ridiculous. there is no good and bad, only bad.
 
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