thestaggy
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Heading into tinfoil hat 'war for oil' conspiracy theories...
www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/mi...its-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
www.dw.de/russian-norwegian-consortium-wins-bid-on-iraqi-oil-field/a-5008301
www.journal-neo.org/2013/08/28/rus-irakskaya-neft-ne-v-amerikanskih-rukah/
As for the other point Obama is desperately trying to pull out of the M.E and everybody there hates him even U.S allies. He is the supreme example of naive idealism that allows easy criticisms from the peanut gallery meets harsh realities of being power.
Its easy to critisize when when not in power and dont take M.E policy into context. So far the alternatives you have presented leaving Saddam in power killing hundreds of thousands more innocent Iraqis through sanctions and allowing the Syrian civil war to continue, a couple of hundred thousand more dead, until the country probably splits in two one side ruled by Assad with his emboldened allies and the other a nightmarish Taliban like hub for Islamic extremism. Seems like 'failed policy' itself.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html
Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."
In 2000, Big Oil, including Exxon, Chevron, BP and Shell, spent more money to get fellow oilmen Bush and Cheney into office than they had spent on any previous election. Just over a week into Bush's first term, their efforts paid off when the National Energy Policy Development Group, chaired by Cheney, was formed, bringing the administration and the oil companies together to plot our collective energy future. In March, the task force reviewed lists and maps outlining Iraq's entire oil productive capacity.
For the next decade, former and current executives of western oil companies acted first as administrators of Iraq's oil ministry and then as "advisers" to the Iraqi government.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/top-republican-leaders-say-iraq-war-was-really-for-oil.html
People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs. - U.S. Secretary of Defense – and former 12-year Republican Senator – Chuck Hagel
Again, as I have repeatedly said, I would have supported toppling Assad 2-years ago IF the people requested assistance, like the Libyans did. Toppling him now does not solve Syria's problems and will cause a significant power vacuum. Is there anything beyond lobbing a few missiles at Assad? Is there a phase two? As I have already pointed out, radicals are already entrenched in the north and east, controlling entire provinces and key border points between Turkey and that lovely breeding ground of extremism, Iraq.
I advocated a weapons only set of sanctions and not an economically destructive set. I offered another option instead of America's failed hard line approach.
And I ask you, how better off is Iraq now? Hussein was replaced with a bunch of murderous religious nut-jobs. What you support has clearly failed. Hussein is gone but Iraq is a lawless, bloody, terrorist breeding ground of a mess. But good job on getting Hussein out of there.
For the record, I am pro-West and pro-America, just not pro-Iraq war and not pro-West/US foreign policy in the Middle East. That area is an eff up and partly thanks to the frequent misadventures of the West.
