The Syrian Conflict Thread

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Heading into tinfoil hat 'war for oil' conspiracy theories...

www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/mi...its-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

www.dw.de/russian-norwegian-consortium-wins-bid-on-iraqi-oil-field/a-5008301

www.journal-neo.org/2013/08/28/rus-irakskaya-neft-ne-v-amerikanskih-rukah/

As for the other point Obama is desperately trying to pull out of the M.E and everybody there hates him even U.S allies. He is the supreme example of naive idealism that allows easy criticisms from the peanut gallery meets harsh realities of being power.

Its easy to critisize when when not in power and dont take M.E policy into context. So far the alternatives you have presented leaving Saddam in power killing hundreds of thousands more innocent Iraqis through sanctions and allowing the Syrian civil war to continue, a couple of hundred thousand more dead, until the country probably splits in two one side ruled by Assad with his emboldened allies and the other a nightmarish Taliban like hub for Islamic extremism. Seems like 'failed policy' itself.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html

Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."

In 2000, Big Oil, including Exxon, Chevron, BP and Shell, spent more money to get fellow oilmen Bush and Cheney into office than they had spent on any previous election. Just over a week into Bush's first term, their efforts paid off when the National Energy Policy Development Group, chaired by Cheney, was formed, bringing the administration and the oil companies together to plot our collective energy future. In March, the task force reviewed lists and maps outlining Iraq's entire oil productive capacity.

For the next decade, former and current executives of western oil companies acted first as administrators of Iraq's oil ministry and then as "advisers" to the Iraqi government.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/top-republican-leaders-say-iraq-war-was-really-for-oil.html

People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America’s national interest. What the hell do you think they’re talking about? We’re not there for figs. - U.S. Secretary of Defense – and former 12-year Republican Senator – Chuck Hagel

Again, as I have repeatedly said, I would have supported toppling Assad 2-years ago IF the people requested assistance, like the Libyans did. Toppling him now does not solve Syria's problems and will cause a significant power vacuum. Is there anything beyond lobbing a few missiles at Assad? Is there a phase two? As I have already pointed out, radicals are already entrenched in the north and east, controlling entire provinces and key border points between Turkey and that lovely breeding ground of extremism, Iraq.

I advocated a weapons only set of sanctions and not an economically destructive set. I offered another option instead of America's failed hard line approach.

And I ask you, how better off is Iraq now? Hussein was replaced with a bunch of murderous religious nut-jobs. What you support has clearly failed. Hussein is gone but Iraq is a lawless, bloody, terrorist breeding ground of a mess. But good job on getting Hussein out of there.

For the record, I am pro-West and pro-America, just not pro-Iraq war and not pro-West/US foreign policy in the Middle East. That area is an eff up and partly thanks to the frequent misadventures of the West.
 

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Western Powers to press Syria Resolution at UN

Western powers were poised Tuesday to press their efforts for a UN resolution to rid Syria of chemical weapons, one day after a report by the world body describing a "chilling" sarin gas attack there.

United Nations experts, without assigning blame, said they had gathered "clear and convincing evidence" that surface-to-surface rockets took sarin gas into the opposition-held Damascus suburb of Ghouta on August 21.

The United States had threatened a military strike on Syria over the attack, which it said killed more than 1,400 people.

Washington said responsibility for the attack rests squarely with the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

"The technical details of the UN report make clear that only the regime could have carried out this large-scale chemical weapons attack," said Washington's UN ambassador Samantha Power. "It defies logic to think that the opposition would have infiltrated the regime-controlled area to fire on opposition-controlled areas."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said there was "no doubt" that government forces were to blame, while British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the report made "abundantly clear" that the Syrian regime was behind the attack.

France and Britain will soon send a draft resolution to other Security Council members demanding a threat of sanctions if Assad does not keep to a disarmament plan and for the chemical attacks to be referred to the International Criminal Court, diplomats said.

The council, meanwhile, is expected to start negotiations this week.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemned the use of chemical weapons in Syria as "a war crime" as the country's conflict again spilled into neighboring nations, with Turkey saying it had shot down a Syrian military helicopter.

Ban said the report prepared by the experts "makes for chilling reading."

He added that the use of sarin had been proved "unequivocally and objectively" and that the Ghouta attack was "the most signficant" with chemical weapons since Saddam Hussein unleashed poison gas in Halabja, Iraq, in 1988, killing thousands.

"The environmental, chemical and medical samples we have collected provide clear and convincing evidence that surface-to-surface rockets containing the nerve agent sarin were used" in Ghouta, said the report by UN inspectors who were in Syria when the attack was staged.

The experts concluded that "chemical weapons have been used in the ongoing conflict between the parties in the Syrian Arab Republic, also against civilians including children on a relatively large scale."

A separate UN-mandated independent human rights inquiry announced separately on Monday that it was investigating 14 alleged chemical weapons attacks in Syria.

Ban would not say on Monday who had carried out the attack.

"We may all have our own thoughts on this, but I would simply say that this was a grave crime and those responsible must be brought to justice as soon as possible," Ban told reporters.

On Friday, he said Assad had "committed many crimes against humanity."

While the United States, Britain and France all insist that the findings show Assad's forces had used the weapons, Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said after a Security Council meeting on the report that there should be more investigation into who was responsible.

Moscow has sided with Assad in blaming opposition rebels for the chemical assault.

The UN experts' report will now become a key weapon in a Security Council battle over how much of a threat must be made against Assad to make him disarm.

The French, US and British foreign ministers called for a "strong" resolution after a meeting in Paris.

US Secretary of State John Kerry said: "If Assad fails to comply with the terms of this framework, make no mistake we are all agreed, and that includes Russia, that there will be consequences."

Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov agreed a plan on Saturday under which Syria's chemical weapons would be eliminated by mid-2014.

Russia has agreed the plans must be backed by a Security Council resolution but rejects any move to include the threat of force into a UN text.

Lavrov said such threats could kill off hopes of a peace conference on the 30-month-old conflict in which more than 110,000 people, according to activists.

Kerry was due to meet Thursday to discuss the issue with his counterpart from China, which has welcomed the agreement but has sided with Russia in its resolve to veto any UN Security Council resolution against Syria.

Fighting has worsened in Syria as the diplomatic wrangling goes on and Turkey said it shot down a Syrian military helicopter on Monday after it entered Turkish airspace.

The Syrian MI-17 helicopter was detected two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside Turkish airspace and shot down by two F-16 jets five minutes later after failing to heed warnings, Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc told reporters.

"It was continuously warned by our air defense," Arinc said, adding there was no information about the fate of its crew because the helicopter fell on Syrian soil.

Arinc said Turkey has changed its military rules of engagement in response to repeated gunfire from the Syrian side.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 17 Sep 2013 08:45
 

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UN Chemical Weapons Report Fails to Impress Russia

Russia remains unconvinced by Western allegations that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against its own people, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters Tuesday.

Lavrov said that there were serious grounds to believe that last month's attack on the outskirts of Damascus, which was the subject of a UN inspection, was "a provocation."

A report submitted to the UN Security Council on Monday found that rockets containing the nerve gas sarin were used in the August 21 attack on the outskirts of Damascus, which Washington claims killed more than 1,400 Syrians.

Western powers argue that the document clearly points to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"When you look at the amount of sarin gas used .. as well as other aspects, it seems to leave no doubt that the [Assad] regime is behind it," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, speaking at the same press conference in Moscow with Lavrov.

But Lavrov said that it was "peremptory" to say that only the regime could use chemical weapons.

He reiterated Moscow's position that the report could only show that chemical weapons were used, and that the UN inspectors had no mandate to assign guilt.

Lavrov said inspectors should return to Syria to investigate further incidents of alleged chemical weapons use and present a fuller report to the UN.

The dispute about the report puts Russia at odds with leading Western countries over Syria yet again. Earlier this month, the US postponed airstrikes after agreeing with Moscow on a plan to put Syria's chemical weapons under international control and destroy them by next year.

China, the other UN veto power that has been supportive of Damascus, said Tuesday that it would "carefully study" the report, but avoided to say who was to blame.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei praised the UN team for completing its investigation "under a very complicated situation."

The Syrian Foreign Ministry said that Western accusations were inciting a US attack, the SANA state news agency reported.

They show their real objective is "to impose their will on the Syrian people," SANA quoted a foreign ministry source in Damascus.

Earlier, Syria accused Turkey of escalating tensions along the border after Turkish warplanes shot down a helicopter that had entered its airspace.

The "hasty reaction" by the Turkish air force "is evidence of the real intentions of [the Turkish] government towards Syria, which is seeking escalation at the borders of the two countries," SANA quoted a statement by the Syrian army.

"The helicopter mistakenly entered the Turkish airspace for a short distance," it said, adding that it "was heading back and it was not tasked with any fighting mission" when it was shot down Monday.

Turkish Vice Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said the Syrian helicopter had flown as far as 2 kilometres into Turkish airspace, and received several warnings before it was fired on.

While Lavrov was meeting with Fabius in Moscow, French President Francois Hollande was holding talks with Qatar's Foreign Minister Khaled al-Attiyah in Paris.

Hollande has said he will increase support to the rebel Syrian National Coalition (SNC).

Qatar is believed to have been arming Syria's rebels for some time.

The meeting is part of France's bid to grow international support for what it calls Syria's "democratic opposition" - of which the SNC is the face - as distinct from the jihadist groups that are also fighting the regime.

On Monday, Fabius annouced that a "large international meeting" im support of the SNC would be held on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York at the end of September.


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Date : 17 Sep 2013 14:08
 

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Please quote where I said he was a nice guy? I simply stated that the West needs to stop thinking it knows what is best for other nations, especially in the Arab World and Africa, and should only act when the people decide it is time. Two, please show me where America's hardline policy has worked? The Arab world hates them because of their forceful, hands on approach in the region.

I am well aware of what he done. I am also aware of the complete and utter failure that is American foreign policy with regards to the Middle East.

Once again, I know what he done and I know that he had WMDs. But like the former weapons inspector Scott Ritter pointed out;

I did not say that you said he was a nice guy.

Their "hardline policy" might not have worked as they, or others, may have expected, since the "hatred" against the USA/West is in a large part, thanks to Russia, who "threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers."

Iraq was invaded because they allegedly had a fully functioning WMD program and a considerable arsenal when in reality the Israelis, Iranians and Americans, between 1981 & 1990 and subsequent sanctions, had completely and utterly destroyed their capacity to develop and produce said weapons. The production facilities, missiles, launching systems and chemical/nuclear/biological warheads Iraq was alleged to have were never discovered, at least not in the quantities and capacities they were said to have. What was discovered were unusable warheads (unless you were a nut-job and were willing to risk the shells detonating in a launch tube) in relatively small quantities & unoperational/destroyed weapons facilities.

Saddam was playing games. Here, hear it from Scott Ritter. Saddam, even at the end, stated that he planned to use nuclear WMD.

The world was told Hussein was an imminent threat to global security when in reality Hussein's military capabilities were inferior to that of pre-Gulf War levels (Hussein admitted in his interrogation that he feared Iran following the Gulf War as he knew he would be unable to repel them due to the erosion of his military capacity) and his WMD programs were long since knocked out of commission.

See above. He was playing games with the world. Even Ritter makes that clear.

Iraq 2.0 was straight up about replacing a regime the US did not like and to put Iraqi oilfields into the hands of American big oil companies. Any excuse they could find to go to war would have done. As Rumsfeld states, Bush told them to get ''creative''.

Yes, even Bush said that Iraq would pay for the war. Seems they did not need to get "creative" after all...Saddam gave them all the excuses they needed.


I see my sarcasm was lost on you. Let me reiterate, curveball was only 1 part of all the issues involved.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/top-republican-leaders-say-iraq-war-was-really-for-oil.html

Again, as I have repeatedly said, I would have supported toppling Assad 2-years ago IF the people requested assistance, like the Libyans did. Toppling him now does not solve Syria's problems and will cause a significant power vacuum. Is there anything beyond lobbing a few missiles at Assad? Is there a phase two? As I have already pointed out, radicals are already entrenched in the north and east, controlling entire provinces and key border points between Turkey and that lovely breeding ground of extremism, Iraq.

I advocated a weapons only set of sanctions and not an economically destructive set. I offered another option instead of America's failed hard line approach.

And I ask you, how better off is Iraq now? Hussein was replaced with a bunch of murderous religious nut-jobs. What you support has clearly failed. Hussein is gone but Iraq is a lawless, bloody, terrorist breeding ground of a mess. But good job on getting Hussein out of there.

For the record, I am pro-West and pro-America, just not pro-Iraq war and not pro-West/US foreign policy in the Middle East. That area is an eff up and partly thanks to the frequent misadventures of the West.

Yes, the oil played a major role and if Saddam did not play games with WMD, he would have stood a good chance of not being strung up on a piece of rope. He made his choices and played into the hands of the oil boys.

Assad will also learn what the consequences are, of being a Russian proxy war puppet with WMD.

Russia will also learn that karma is a b*tch.
 

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Did you even bother to pay attention to what I posted and what Ritter even said? I sourced Ritter as well in my argument.

There's no doubt Iraq hasn't fully complied with its disarmament obligations as set forth by the Security Council in its resolution. But on the other hand, since 1998 Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed: 90-95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capacity has been verifiably eliminated ... We have to remember that this missing 5-10% doesn't necessarily constitute a threat ... It constitutes bits and pieces of a weapons program which in its totality doesn't amount to much, but which is still prohibited ... We can't give Iraq a clean bill of health, therefore we can't close the book on their weapons of mass destruction. But simultaneously, we can't reasonably talk about Iraqi non-compliance as representing a de-facto retention of a prohibited capacity worthy of war. (page 28)

We eliminated the nuclear program, and for Iraq to have reconstituted it would require undertaking activities that would have been eminently detectable by intelligence services. (page 32)

If Iraq were producing [chemical] weapons today, we'd have proof, pure and simple. (page 37)

[A]s of December 1998 we had no evidence Iraq had retained biological weapons, nor that they were working on any. In fact, we had a lot of evidence to suggest Iraq was in compliance. (page 46)[16]

I think [The Bush Administration] has stated that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and that's as simple as they want to keep it. They don't want to get into the nitty-gritty things such as if you bury a Scud missile to hide it from detection, there is a little thing called corrosion. Where do you hide the fuel, how do you make this stuff up, how do you align it. Because when you disassemble it, there is a process called re-alignment. There is a factory involved in that. And then you have to test launch it to make sure that the alignment works, and that's detectable, and they haven't done that. There is a lot of common sense things that go into consideration of whether or not Iraq has a operational weapons of mass destruction capability.

Essentially, yes, he had WMDs, but it was a microscopic fraction of what he had possessed years earlier and production was no longer occurring and what was left was not enough to justify war.
 
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Syria Drug Shortages Threaten Health Catastrophe

Not only is Syrian father Motaz struggling to put food on the table, he must also pay astronomical prices to import insulin for his diabetic son because of drug shortages in the war-torn country.

Drug production in Syria has plunged ever since an uprising broke out against President Bashar al-Assad 30 months ago and degenerated into civil war.

"I must count every penny because my son's treatment takes up a big portion of my salary," the 46-year-old Motaz told AFP.

His three children no longer enjoy any day trips because "the priority now is to treat the 12-year-old boy," he said.

The shortage caused by the raging war has created "a very critical situation" in Syria, said the World Health Organisation's Elisabeth Hoff.

"Pharmaceutical factories only cover 20 to 30 percent of the needs, though they used to cover 90 percent" before the conflict, she told AFP.

Hoff explained that most factories are located in the central city of Homs, Aleppo in the north and in the outskirts of Damascus.

The three areas have seen some of the worst fighting and destruction in the conflict.

Eighteen of 73 factories have closed down because of damage, transport difficulties and a halt in raw material imports.

The WHO warned in March that drug production had fallen because of restrictions on imports, fluctuations in the exchange rate and spiralling production costs.

Syria's pharmaceutical companies suffer import difficulties because of Western restrictions on financial transactions.

Hoff complained, saying "vital materials such as medicines must not be placed under such restrictions."

Chamber of Industry director Fares Shehabi said factories suffering shortages "are forced to import their raw materials at parallel exchange rates."

The Syrian pound has lost much of its value during the course of the conflict, and there is a vast gap between the official exchange rate and the black market rate that factories are forced to use when importing goods.

A government newspaper warned recently of "a real catastrophe", as locally produced medicines are in short supply and "foreign-produced medicines are smuggled in at five times the price."

Yet Prime Minister Wael al-Halqi insisted in a televised statement on Tuesday that "Syria's drug security is stable."

"All medicines are available, barring some... which will be imported from friendly countries, mainly Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, the BRICS countries and Cuba," Halqi added.

But the Central Bank has halted all transfers at the official exchange rate, forcing factories to stop producing several drugs because of the higher costs.

"The crisis is having a very serious effect on the pharmaceutical industry," said health ministry lab director Habib Abbud.

He said just "10 factories could cover Syria's needs" if "they can import raw materials without restrictions."

Abbud described those who have continued to produce medicines as "heroes," adding that the ministry provides people who have health insurance with free drugs at hospitals.

But others struggle to find medicines, a real concern Hoff said, particularly for those wounded in the fighting.

Umm Maher, 75, spoke to a friend in Europe to try to obtain a medicine she needs for her hypertension.

She complained the drugs will cost her "10 times more" than they would have if she could have purchased them locally.

Umm Maher refuses to buy smuggled drugs, even though they are cheaper, because she fears they could be expired, or contain different ingredients than advertised.

Diabetics complain that their insulin is brought into the country without the necessary refrigeration.

Hoff says the priority now is to prevent epidemics by taking steps against communicable diseases.

To help ease the shortage, the government has cancelled pharmaceutical exclusivity rights, so any company can produce any medication.

Some factories have stepped up production of drugs formerly made by companies that have been affected by the war, in order to make up for shortfalls, said Basel al-Jundi, production manager at the Ibn Zaher factory.

But this has had a "counter-effect by raising the cost of imported materials," causing companies to lose profits, Jundi said.

Factories are committed to continue production, "but the problem... is that they are funding themselves from profits. While they can handle the burden to an extent, the risk of bankruptcy is there," he added.


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Date : 18 Sep 2013 06:26
 

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Syria gives Russia "New Evidence" on Chemical Attack

The Syrian regime has handed Russia new materials implicating rebels in a chemical attack outside Damascus on August 21, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said after talks in Damascus.

"The corresponding materials were handed to the Russian side. We were told that they were evidence that the rebels are implicated in the chemical attack," Ryabkov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies after talks with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem.

Ryabkov also said Russia was disappointed with a UN report into the chemical weapons attack, saying it was selective and had ignored other episodes. "Without a full picture... we cannot describe the character of the conclusions as anything other than politicised, biased and one-sided," he said.


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Date : 18 Sep 2013 09:44
 

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The Syrian regime has handed Russia new materials implicating rebels in a chemical attack outside Damascus on August 21, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said after talks in Damascus.

"The corresponding materials were handed to the Russian side. We were told that they were evidence that the rebels are implicated in the chemical attack," Ryabkov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies after talks with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem.

Ryabkov also said Russia was disappointed with a UN report into the chemical weapons attack, saying it was selective and had ignored other episodes. "Without a full picture... we cannot describe the character of the conclusions as anything other than politicised, biased and one-sided," he said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 18 Sep 2013 09:44

Why was it not represented when it counted? I smell a Russian coverup and evidence fabrication!

Putin on my Killa suit. Maybe Putin is the real devil!
 

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Did you even bother to pay attention to what I posted and what Ritter even said? I sourced

Ritter as well in my argument.

I do pay attention to everything you post on the issue. I used Ritter because you did.

Essentially, yes, he had WMDs, but it was a microscopic fraction of what he had possessed years earlier and

production was no longer occurring and what was left was not enough to justify war.

Essentially, yes, he had WMDs, which he prevented people like Ritter from seeing, by preventing access or delaying access.

The moment Ritter admitted that he or others were prevented access, or access was delayed, it was case closed. Ritter can waffle all he likes about the percentages and states of the WMD.

Let me reiterate, if he did not see all of them, without delays, he's talking out his **s, when mentioning the percentages and states of the WMD. End of story, case closed.

Let's not forget that saddam stated at the end, that he planned to also use nuclear WMD...
 

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The Syrian regime has handed Russia new materials implicating rebels in a chemical attack outside Damascus on August 21, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said after talks in Damascus.

Hahaha! :D

"The corresponding materials were handed to the Russian side. We were told that they were evidence that the rebels are implicated in the chemical attack," Ryabkov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies after talks with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem.

Hahahahaha! :D

Ryabkov also said Russia was disappointed with a UN report into the chemical weapons attack, saying it was selective and had ignored other episodes. "Without a full picture... we cannot describe the character of the conclusions as anything other than politicised, biased and one-sided," he said.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :D
 

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I do pay attention to everything you post on the issue. I used Ritter because you did.



Essentially, yes, he had WMDs, which he prevented people like Ritter from seeing, by preventing access or delaying access.

The moment Ritter admitted that he or others were prevented access, or access was delayed, it was case closed. Ritter can waffle all he likes about the percentages and states of the WMD.

Let me reiterate, if he did not see all of them, without delays, he's talking out his **s, when mentioning the percentages and states of the WMD. End of story, case closed.

Let's not forget that saddam stated at the end, that he planned to also use nuclear WMD...

At the end of the day what we were told was there has never been found. Never. There is also no ways he'd give nuclear, biological or chemical weapons to Iran or Syria. One country he feared and had already been to war with and the other he had been in competition with for decades and had not had formal diplomatic ties with for over a decade.

At the end of the day some serious heavyweights have admitted to making a serious mistake, Rumsfeld & Powell the two notable ones.

Thread derailed by this long enough now, I'm bailing out of this one.
 

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Rocket Trajectory Links Syrian Military to Chemical Attack

The trajectory of the rockets that delivered the nerve agent sarin in last month's deadly attack is among the key evidence linking elite Syrian troops based in the mountains overlooking Damascus to the strike that killed hundreds of people, diplomats and human rights officials said Wednesday.

That evidence, however, was dismissed by Syrian President Bashar Assad, who denied that his regime carried out the Aug. 21 attack outside Damascus.

In an interview with Fox News Channel broadcast Wednesday, Assad blamed terrorist groups for using chemical weapons and said Russia has evidence supporting his position.

"We have evidence that the terrorist group has used sarin gas," Assad said, adding that the evidence had been turned over to Russia.

"Second, the Russian satellite, since the beginning of these allegations at the 21st of August - they said that they have information, through their satellite, that the rocket (was) launched from another area. So why ... ignore this point of view?"

The interview was conducted Tuesday in the Syrian capital of Damascus by former Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a Fox News contributor, and Fox News Channel Senior Correspondent Greg Palkot.

The attack precipitated the crisis over Syria's chemical weapons. The U.S. threatened a military strike against Syria, which led to a plan negotiated by Moscow and Washington under which the Assad regime is to abandon its chemical weapons stockpile.

A U.N. report released Monday confirmed that chemical weapons were used in the attack but did not ascribe blame.

The United States, Britain and France cited evidence in the report to declare Assad's government responsible. Russia called the report "one-sided" and says it has "serious reason to suggest that this was a provocation" by the rebels fighting the Assad regime in Syria's civil war.

Assad agreed, saying the scenario of the attack depicted in the report was unrealistic.

"So, the whole story doesn't even hold together," Assad said. "It's not realistic. So, no, we didn't. In one word, we didn't use any chemical weapons in Ghouta, because if you want to use it, you would harm your troops, you would have harmed the tens of thousands of civilians in Syria, in Damascus."

The report, however, provided data that suggested the chemical-loaded rockets that hit two Damascus suburbs were fired from the northwest, indicating they came from nearby mountains where the Syrian military is known to have major bases.

Mount Qassioun, which overlooks Damascus, is home to one of Assad's three residences and is widely used by elite forces to shell suburbs of the capital. The powerful Republican Guard and army's Fourth Division, headed by Assad's younger brother, Maher, has bases there.

A senior U.N. diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity because some of this material was from private meetings, said: "It was 100 percent clear that the regime used chemical weapons."

The diplomat cited five key details, including the scale of the attack, the quality of the sarin, the type of rockets, the warheads used and the rockets' trajectory.

A Human Rights Watch report also said the presumed flight path of the rockets cited by the U.N. inspectors' report led back to a Republican Guard base in Mount Qassioun.

"Connecting the dots provided by these numbers allows us to see for ourselves where the rockets were likely launched from and who was responsible," said Josh Lyons, a satellite imagery analyst for the New York-based group. But, he added, the evidence was "not conclusive."

The HRW report matched what several experts concluded after reading the U.N. report. The U.N. inspectors were not instructed to assess which side was responsible for the attack.

"While the U.N. stuck within its mandate, it has provided enough data to provide an overwhelming case that this had to be government-sponsored," said Anthony Cordesman, national security expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The inspectors described the rockets used to disperse the sarin as a variant of an M14 artillery rocket, with either an original or an improvised warhead, which the rebels are not known to have.

There is no conceivable way to prove the rebels could not have gotten them, Cordesman said, but he added that the modification of the rockets pointed to the regime.

The U.N. diplomat in New York pointed to citations in the U.N. report and a private briefing to the U.N. Security Council by chief inspector Ake Sellstrom that reveal the scale of the attack: The seven rockets examined had a total payload of about 350 liters (about 92 gallons) of sarin, including sophisticated stabilizing elements that match those known to be in the Syrian stockpile.

This makes it "virtually impossible" that it came from any source other than the Syrian government, the diplomat said, adding that there were likely other rockets used that the inspectors couldn't get to.

The diplomat added that the trajectory points directly at known Syrian military bases. "There isn't a shred of evidence in the other direction," he said.

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[.... Article Continued from Previous Post]

Syrian legislator Issam Khalil denied the Human Rights Watch report.

"These rockets were fired by terrorists in order to draw a military act against Syria," Khalil told The Associated Press in Damascus. "We believe that a fair, transparent and objective international investigation is the only way to specify that side responsible for firing these rockets."

Russia has been Syria's main ally since the conflict began in March 2011, blocking proposed U.N. resolutions that would impose sanctions on Assad's regime and opposing an attempt to authorize the use of force if Syria does not abide by the agreement struck Sept. 14 between Moscow and Washington to rid Damascus of its chemical weapons stockpile.

According to a top Russian diplomat and a Syrian official, Damascus has turned over materials to Russia that aim to show the chemical weapons attack was carried out by the rebels.

The ITAR-Tass news agency quoted Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying that Syria told Russian officials the material it handed over shows "rebels participating in the chemical attack," but that Moscow has not yet drawn any conclusions.

Ryabkov also told pro-Kremlin broadcaster Russia Today that Russia has submitted to the U.N. Security Council what Moscow called credible evidence that suggests the Syrian government did not fire the chemical weapons.

"We are unhappy about this (U.N.) report, we think that the report was distorted, it was one-sided, the basis of information upon which it was built is insufficient," Ryabkov said.

The reports did not specify the nature of the new material turned over by Syria to Russia, which Ryabkov said would be closely analyzed.

According to ITAR-Tass, Ryabkov said Russia was "inclined to treat with great seriousness the material from the Syrian side about the involvement of the rebels in the chemical attack of Aug. 21."

U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky said the U.N. is checking with Russia's U.N. Mission to find out exactly what Ryabkov said but "on the face of it, these reported remarks are an attempt to call into question the secretary-general's investigation team ... and the credibility of its thoroughly objective report." He stressed that Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon "has the fullest confidence in the professionalism of his team and their work and findings."

The chief U.N. chemical weapons inspector said his team will return to Syria "within weeks" to complete the investigation it had started before the Aug. 21 attack and other alleged uses of chemical weapons in the country.

Sellstrom told The Associated Press the team will evaluate "allegations of chemical weapons use from both sides, but perhaps mainly from the Syrian government's side."

He said he doesn't currently think there is a need for more investigations of the Aug. 21 attacks, but said "if we receive any additional information it will be included next time we report."

The first step in getting rid of Syria's chemical weapons is for the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons to endorse the agreement reached by the U.S. and Russia to put its stockpile and precursors under international control for later destruction. A senior U.N. diplomat said a U.S.-Russia draft spelling out details of how this will be done is expected to be circulated to members of the OPCW's executive board later Wednesday. The board is scheduled to meet Friday to make a decision.

Assad said his government would abide by the agreement reached with U.S. and Russian officials to give up his chemical weapons. He says he has received estimates that destroying the stockpiles would cost $1 billion and would take roughly a year.

"We are committed to the full requirement of this agreement," Assad said.

"It's not about will," Assad added. "It's about technique."

Britain's U.N. ambassador, Mark Lyall Grant, said the main purpose of a new U.N. resolution currently under discussion "is to make the framework agreement reached between the United States and Russia in Geneva, and the decision that will be taken by the OPCW Executive Council, legally binding in a Security Council resolution that is verifiable and enforceable."

The five permanent members of the Security Council were meeting again Wednesday to try to agree on the text.

Assad on Wednesday received a U.S. delegation of former members of Congress and anti-war activists, including former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark.

In the contested northern city of Aleppo, a group of volunteers learned how to deal with chemical weapons attacks in a drill inside a school. Their teacher, Mohammad Zayed, a 21-year-old former chemistry student, helped them put on gas masks and protective suits.

He also described the effects of various chemical weapons and how to help people with the limited resources available.

Three gas masks and 24 protective suits were given to them after rebels gained control of a military base belonging to forces loyal to Assad. The volunteers are distributing leaflets to residents on how to react to an attack.


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Date : 19 Sep 2013 03:15
 

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4 Arrested in UK Probe over Syrian Terrorism

British police say they have arrested four people and searched properties across England in an investigation of suspected terrorism in Syria.

Two British men, ages 22 and 29, were arrested Monday as they arrived at the port of Dover from France, on suspicion of involvement in "the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism." Police also seized ammunition.

London's Metropolitan Police said another man, 27, and a 26-year-old woman were arrested in Essex, east of London, on Wednesday as part of the same investigation.

All four were being held at a London police station Thursday.

Police say officers have searched addresses in Essex, London and northwest England as part of the investigation. They gave no other details.

The government has expressed concerns about Britons going to Syria to join anti-government rebels.


Source : Sapa-AP /sdv
Date : 19 Sep 2013 15:00
 

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British police say they have arrested four people and searched properties across England in an investigation of suspected terrorism in Syria.

Two British men, ages 22 and 29, were arrested Monday as they arrived at the port of Dover from France, on suspicion of involvement in "the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism." Police also seized ammunition.

London's Metropolitan Police said another man, 27, and a 26-year-old woman were arrested in Essex, east of London, on Wednesday as part of the same investigation.

All four were being held at a London police station Thursday.

Police say officers have searched addresses in Essex, London and northwest England as part of the investigation. They gave no other details.

The government has expressed concerns about Britons going to Syria to join anti-government rebels.


Source : Sapa-AP /sdv
Date : 19 Sep 2013 15:00

I can see were this is going. I reckon american and british troops are going to be sent there. And that means I will prob be sent there.
 
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