The Syrian Conflict Thread

Guess who are using chemical weapons now, but don't worry that's OK because it's Syria aided by the Russians hey Killa?

Russians are not supporting the rebels though so i am confused?
http://www.wtop.com/215/3312463/Syrian-rebels-deny-using-chemical-weapons

Not sure what usage you are referring to, so either you are confused or you have failed to back up your claim that either side are using chemical weapons.

Do you have any links or proof for your claim or is it as usual BS said without any need for investigation, you said religion just now didn't you, yet here you are telling me of chemical usage with nothing to back up your claim.

So come seriously, let's talk facts here not your beliefs.
 
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Russians are not supporting the rebels though so i am confused?
http://www.wtop.com/215/3312463/Syrian-rebels-deny-using-chemical-weapons

Not sure what usage you are referring to, so either you are confused or you have failed to back up your claim that either side are using chemical weapons.

Do you have any links or proof for your claim or is it as usual BS said without any need for investigation, you said religion just now didn't you, yet here you are telling me of chemical usage with nothing to back up your claim.

So come seriously, let's talk facts here not your beliefs.

Read the thread.
 

You mean the french who are heavily backing the arming of the rebels happen to publish a report days before this hearing? That is your evidence? That is laughable, i asked for evidence not some story in some random news paper.

Why haven't the US acted with this so called evidence? I am still looking for evidence that links either side directly with the use, sure i can give you links to news papers claiming the rebels have used chemical weapons, do you believe the reports on the ground that the rebels are using chemical weapons just because some random news paper said so? It is safe to assume you believe that one story run in a french newspaper means it happened no doubt because it is what you believe, it is what you want to believe.

Read my link orbital
Carla Del Ponte, a commissioner on the U.N. panel, stunned observers around the globe Sunday when she told Swiss-Italian Television that Syrian rebels may have used nerve gas.

Is that less credible than a french newspaper claiming the government is using chemical weapons? So who do you believe orbital? Which side do you think is using chemical weapons based on the information you have read, let's not talk about personal feelings.

I don't think either side has used chemical weapons.

A french article is not a fact now is it?

On the other side of the coin, late last month, the Syrian regime contacted the U.N. claiming that rebels had used chemical weapons near Aleppo. U.N. Ambassador Bashar Ja'afari said "armed groups" had been observed spreading powder that he described as "a kind of chemical."
http://www.wtop.com/215/3312463/Syrian-rebels-deny-using-chemical-weapons

Again is any of that fact? Nope it's just an article but let's see which do we believe, the french article or the article claiming the rebels have been seen using chemicals?

Of course we believe the french one because it fits in with our belief system and we will totally ignore anything else we see. The rebels even though backed by al queda are the real victims here and they are fighting for the people of syria and not for the power of syria. The rebels haven't slaughtered any innocent people, the rebels have yet to do anything that would suggest they are not to be trusted, even though they release faked footage we should back them and give them weapons and once assad is gone there will be democracy and peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boy what a world to live in.
 
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Russians are not supporting the rebels though so i am confused?
http://www.wtop.com/215/3312463/Syrian-rebels-deny-using-chemical-weapons

Not sure what usage you are referring to, so either you are confused or you have failed to back up your claim that either side are using chemical weapons.

Do you have any links or proof for your claim or is it as usual BS said without any need for investigation, you said religion just now didn't you, yet here you are telling me of chemical usage with nothing to back up your claim.

So come seriously, let's talk facts here not your beliefs.

We know you are very selective reading news articles and very selective in comprehending the content but we also know are very good at thumb sucks. Just read the daily headlines then that would keep you up to date and beware of those thumbsucking habits. ;)
 
Seriously where am i thumb sucking, if anything one article is thumb sucking? believing it as though gospel is even worse. i don't believe assad that the rebels are using chemical weapons, i have not fallen for one article claiming anything nor do i believe everything the assad government says, interestingly i am not the one reading one french article and then accepting it as gospel(seriously you are welcome to have faith brother, at some point we all need to have faith in one article)

All i can see is assad, then there is unknown rebels with links to al queda and all i can see is a disaster waiting for intervention.

It has come, we will see how far the intervention can go and what kind of arms they plan on giving these al queda backed rebels, actually if we think about it the ANC were called terrorists if i recall by the US of all countries, so it's actually possible that there is terrorism being supported by people fighting a war against terrorism.

Interesting.
 
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You mean the french who are heavily backing the arming of the rebels happen to publish a report days before this hearing? That is your evidence? That is laughable, i asked for evidence not some story in some random news paper.

The 'French' aren't a homogenous blob that acts as one entity. These claims come from the media, not the French government.

Your link isn't opening. And you claimed the Rebels are using chemical weapons earlier, with your 'I didn't know the Russians are supporting the Rebels' sarcasm. Now you're backpedaling and saying no one used it. So which is it?

Apparently a chemist who worked for the regime defected and says the Syrian regime used Sarin gas, and has huge stockpiles. This according to Al Jazeera.
 
Obviously Killa will thumbsuck another justifying response to this article soon.

A former scientist for the Syrian chemical weapons programme said the regime of President Bashar al-Assad has enough of the nerve agent sarin to "eradicate the whole of Damascus, Homs, Hama, and Aleppo".

Speaking to Al Jazeera on condition of anonymity after he fled from Syria, the chemist added that the regime is not likely to unleash its chemical stockpiles unless it “no longer cares about the world knowing".

"If the regime is to fire a Scud-B with a chemical warhead filled with sarin, the missile would create a chemical cloud in the atmosphere that is 3km long and 500m wide, which could be fatal to all people under it," the chemist said.

He claims that the regime has only used sarin nerve gas in small quantities to halt rebel advances in four towns in the suburbs of Damascus, in Aleppo’s Sheikh Maksoud district, in Idlib's Saraqeb town and in Homs' al-Khalidiyeh district.

"The intention was to incapacitate rebels and force them out of strategic areas, while keeping the deaths among their ranks limited," the chemist said, who added that he was speaking out "to dispel the myths on chemical weapons in Syria".

Al Jazeera was able to verify his former position at the chemistry institute of the Centre for Scientific Studies and Research (CSSR), Syria’s main agency for the development and enhancement of weaponry. It has been reported that a CSSR site in the Damascus suburb of Jamraya was targeted twice earlier this year by Israeli airstrikes.

Syria's stockpile

The Syrian government has managed to keep information about its chemical weapons largely beyond the reach of outsiders, and to keep its scientists under heavy surveillance, even keeping some under 24-hour guard.

The exiled chemist says Syria’s stockpile comprises 700 tonnes of sarin agent, at least 3,000 aerial bombs that could be filled with chemical agents and more than 100 chemical warheads for Scud missiles.

Consistent with other intelligence reports, the chemist said that Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal also contains mustard gas and what experts describe as the deadliest of all nerve agents, VX.

"It was our dogma that we were creating the equivalent of Israel’s nuclear weapons"

- Former chemist at the Centre for Scientific Studies and Research

Some Western intelligence agencies believe that Syria also has access to tabun nerve agent, but the chemist said these reports are untrue.

The regime and rebels have accused each other of using chemical weapons on several occasions, and the issue has come to dominate recent debate about the two-year-long conflict.

While the US and Britain say they have "credible evidence" that chemical weapons have been used in Syria, and Turkey said its hospitals treated patients exposed to chemical attack, a UN human rights inquiry said it had "no conclusive findings on use of chemical weapons".

Weaponisation of sarin

The chemist said he fled the country before December 23, 2012, when the first claims emerged about the regime’s use of chemical weapons in the neighbourhood of Khaldiyeh, in the city of Homs. The neighbourhood is strategic because it divides Sunnis and largely pro-government Alawites.

A diluted mix of sarin and isopropyl alcohol was likely used in December 2012, according to the scientist, but he cast doubt on the claims of the regime and rebels that chemical weapons were used in Khan al-Assal in Aleppo on March 19.

Sarin is a colourless and odorless liquid. "When medics report [a] very disgusting smell, the way they did in Khan al-Assal, it is obvious it’s not coming from chemical weapons," the chemist said. "The fact that patients only suffered from suffocation and no other symptoms further confirms that it was not sarin."


View Alleged chemical weapons attacks in a larger map

The chemist said what was likely fired was military-grade tear gas, used as a substitute for chemical agents. The chemist explained that during the two-year conflict, the regime has experimented with mixing different gases - like sarin and tear gas - in order to create a mélange of symptoms that would make the cause hard to identify.

"When opposition activists report different kinds of symptoms resulting from the different gases, it becomes hard to believe them. Some opposition fighters report a burning sensation in the eyes, raising the question as to whether this was tear gas or nerve gas," the chemist said.

Salman al-Sheikh, the director of the Brookings Doha Center, said that mixing different gases is a way for the regime to test the "red line" set down by US President Barack Obama, which - if crossed by the use of chemical weapons - could require firm action by the international community. But once the regime found no serious international response, it carried on with the use of chemical arms in different strategic areas, he said.

Supervisor 'forcibly held'

The exiled chemist said plans to use chemical agents against rebel forces were formed in December 2012, just after the disappearance of his former supervisor, a CSSR scientist. The chemist believes his supervisor is currently being forcibly held by the regime to find solutions to stabilise sarin in small munitions like cannon shells.

Assad’s military is believed to have long-range weapons systems capable of delivering chemical weapons via warheads on ballistic missiles, or through bombs dropped by aircraft.

Members of the supervisor’s family and two of his colleagues at the CSSR told Al Jazeera that he was kidnapped in December, but they refused to elaborate on who might have abducted him or why, citing security concerns. Al Jazeera is withholding the name of the supervisor for security reasons.

The exiled scientist estimates the number of CSSR employees at around 9,000 people, with up to 6,000 working in rocket development and around 300 in chemical weapon development. None of the staff are authorised to speak to the media or reveal the nature of their work. Their movements are heavily scrutinised by the Syrian regime.

“Syrian researchers who work with chemical weapons are not known to people at the street level, nor to the ministries, nor to the general army,” the chemist said.

Army loyalty

Scientists in the chemistry institute work in close collaboration with two secret army units, 451 and 452, which handle chemical weapons and have the responsibility for securing stockpiles.

General Zaher al-Saket, the former head of the chemical warfare administration in the Syrian Army’s 5th Division, who defected last month, told Al Jazeera he was one of the candidates set to be promoted to Unit 451. But the regime wanted to make sure all those handling chemical weapons were loyal to the regime, so "they chose Colonel Mohammad Ali Wannous, because he was an Alawite", Saket said.

It is not known exactly when chemical weapons production in Syria began. The chemist said that all infrastructure and equipment to produce the nerve agent sarin was provided to Syria by what was then West Germany. As for VX, the chemist said that Syria in the 1990s used the expertise of Armenian specialists trained in the Soviet Union before its collapse.

Allegations of foreign assistance to Syria’s chemical weaponisation are difficult to assess due to the heavy veil of secrecy surrounding the programme.

“The project was developed with national hands”, the chemist said, adding that he did not see evidence of cooperation from Iran or North Korea.

The scientist said the regime had convinced him that the weapons he was working on were for self-defence against Israel. "It was our dogma that we were creating the equivalent of Israel’s nuclear weapons," the chemist said. "Never were we told that the weapons could be used inside the country."

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The 'French' aren't a homogenous blob that acts as one entity. These claims come from the media, not the French government.

Your link isn't opening. And you claimed the Rebels are using chemical weapons earlier, with your 'I didn't know the Russians are supporting the Rebels' sarcasm. Now you're backpedaling and saying no one used it. So which is it?

Apparently a chemist who worked for the regime defected and says the Syrian regime used Sarin gas, and has huge stockpiles. This according to Al Jazeera.

I did claim they were using chemical weapons, i never claimed to believe they were.

So i am not back peddling, if anything the simple answer lies with the US and israel. Neither of them are very keen on seeing assad fall. Israel are running drills and preparing for an instant war with syria.

No not while assad is in power, should he fall israel is preparing to go to war and preparing for a chemical war. Something they never thought assad would do yet they are scared of what will happen when/if he is toppled.

That says something to me, it says to me that israel do not know how extreme or what lengths the new people in syria will go to in order to attack them. So you tell me orbital, why is israel more scared of assads demise than they have ever been of him as a president? Why is all this so called proof being ignored, why does obama say he needs more proof when you seem to think it's a forgone conclusion, they are using chemical weapons.

They know al queda is now heavily involved in syria. France and the UK are interesting me at the moment because i am not sure if they are acting on their own or on the orders of the US so they don't piss israel off.
 
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I did claim they were using chemical weapons, i never claimed to believe they were.

Are you schizophrenic? You claim they're using it, but you don't believe they are...?

killadoob said:
So i am not back peddling, if anything the simple answer lies with the US and israel. Neither of them are very keen on seeing assad fall. Israel are running drills and preparing for an instant war with syria.

No not while assad is in power, should he fall israel is preparing to go to war and preparing for a chemical war. Something they never thought assad would do yet they are scared of what will happen when/if he is toppled.

That says something to me, it says to me that israel do not know how extreme or what lengths the new people in syria will go to in order to attack them. So you tell me orbital, why is israel more scared of assads demise than they have ever been of him as a president? Why is all this so called proof being ignored, why does obama say he needs more proof when you seem to think it's a forgone conclusion, they are using chemical weapons.

They know al queda is now heavily involved in syria. France and the UK are interesting me at the moment because i am not sure if they are acting on their own or on the orders of the US so they don't piss israel off.

They're preparing for instability. Instability is always a threat. All countries do it when there's tension on their border.
 
Are you schizophrenic? You claim they're using it, but you don't believe they are...?



They're preparing for instability. Instability is always a threat. All countries do it when there's tension on their border.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22688894

Should get interesting.

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/

So i wonder when the rebels get their new toys. I wonder how long until israel realizes until it is in big trouble and this time the US are pushing the trouble right into their face. At some point the US would turn their back on israel when the need arose, don't think israel saw it coming though. They had things pretty under control. Now shyte is out of control, fighting in lebanon, assad possibly falling in the next few months. Shyte has hit the fan for israel.
 
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Wall of Killanoob text. The usual Pravda blurb, no doubt. Nothing new. Slow news day ? :)
 
Shame zippy you come in just to say killanoob(honestly i was hoping for something a bit more thoughtful but you tried so hard) awwww love you man,mwah

As far as i know the rebels have no aircraft so what is the big deal?
It was also a deal syria and russia signed long before the west wanted a new regime in syria.

The wild card it seems would be israel. For the first time i am seeing an israeli government completely ignoring the US and completely alone. It seems obama is doing all his bidding via france and Britain but the US is certainly not thinking about israel.

Back stabbing israel can't be done in person by the look of it. Pushing more terrorists onto their borders and arming them. Ahhhhhhh al queda getting armed by people fighting against them in a global war. How on earth?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...r-leaders-pledge-of-support-for-al-Qaeda.html

I thought al queda were being targeted daily by drone strikes, so why are they safe and why are they going to be armed in syria?
 
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Shame zippy you come in just to say killanoob(honestly i was hoping for something a bit more thoughtful but you tried so hard) awwww love you man,mwah

As far as i know the rebels have no aircraft so what is the big deal?
it was also a deal syria and russia signed long before the west wanted a new regime in syria.

Crap on the the telly, what can I say
 
Shame zippy you come in just to say killanoob(honestly i was hoping for something a bit more thoughtful but you tried so hard) awwww love you man,mwah

As far as i know the rebels have no aircraft so what is the big deal?
It was also a deal syria and russia signed long before the west wanted a new regime in syria.

The wild card it seems would be israel. For the first time i am seeing an israeli government completely ignoring and completely alone. It seems obama is bdoing all his bidding via france and Britain but the US is certainly not thinking about israel.

And long before Killadoob hoped religiously for the next world war to start. ;)
 
Well who says the third world war has not begun?

The war on terror seems to be a global a war, thus we could be living in ww3 and we don't even realize it :p.

I can tell you the next real war will come when iran is attacked. I highly doubt anyone expected assad to put up such a fight, the real blow came when russia and china blocked the US from doing what they did in libya. It gave the rebels/terrorists virtually no chance. Now maybe with some arms they can gain a bit of ground but i would think they need to get something into the air in order to achieve success.
 
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Yes they have been arming a recognized government and country, russia has not armed terrorists directly unlike many of the so called good guys.

Arming unknown rebels/terrorists linked to al queda though is very scary, when has russia even had that thought in the last 20 years? It is too late to arm the rebel groups now, doing so will only work against israel something the US and israel are well aware of but they ignored the warning of pandora's box in iraq so i guess history repeating itself is par for the course.


Did you see i said directly or did you miss that part? They have not directly taken orders from terrorists, the weapons have been moved around when places like libya falls and so on. Again i will repeat myself, russia have not directly dealt with terrorist groups nor have they directly armed them.

Actually the US invented terrorism when they armed osama bin laden, that was the start. So russia played no part once again in arming terrorists unlike the US, now Britain and now France will go down that road.

WMDs in Iraq moved to Syria.

Pacepa: September 11, 2001 was directly rooted in a joint Soviet/Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operation conceived in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The object of this joint operation was to repair Moscow's prestige by turning the Islamic world against Israel and by creating a rabid and violent hatred for its main supporter, the United States. The strategy was to portray the US, this land of freedom, as a Nazi-style "imperial-Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion" (the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress), the aim of which was allegedly to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. In other words, the heart of the joint plan was to convert the historical Arab and Islamic hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States. We threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers.

In the late 1960s, a new element was added to the Soviet/PLO war against Israel and American imperial-Zionism: international terrorism. Before 1969 came to an end, the KGB's Thirteenth Department-known in our intelligence jargon as the Department for Wet Affairs, wet being a euphemism for bloody-invented airplane hijacking. The KGB constantly lectured at us that no one within the

American/Zionist sphere of influence should feel safe anymore. The hijacked airplane became an instrument of Soviet foreign policy-and eventually the weapon of choice for September 11, 2001.

During those years of intensive airplane hijackings, I became amazed at the almost identical pride both Arafat and KGB General Sakharovsky exhibited over their prowess as terrorists. “I invented the hijacking of [passenger] airplanes,” Arafat bragged to me in the early 1970s, when I first met him. A few months later I met with Sakharovsky at his Lubyanka office. He pointed to the red flags pinned onto a world map hanging on his wall. “Look at that,” he said. Each flag represented a plane that had been downed. “Airplane hijacking is my own invention,” he boasted.

Sakharovsky’s subordinates are now reigning in the Kremlin.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13975

There is no doubt that the Soviet Union played a tremendous role in the expansion and evolution of Islamic terrorism. Many of the people responsible for the policy of promoting fundamentalist miliancy still hold key positions in Russia. People can accept the fact that there are "anti-Bush" cliques inside the CIA and State Department, and the fact that there are "pro-Bin Laden" cliques in the Pakistani military ISI. Yet, for some strange reason, they cannot accept the fact that there are still "pro-Marxist" cliques inside Russia. I believe that the Russian Mafia operates in unison with these "rogue" elements, almost as a separate intelligence directorate.

To help our readers understand how this clique works, and what it means today, I am posting a series of important quotes from the book, "Spetsnaz" by the defector, Viktor Suvorov. I believe that readers will have a better understanding of the role Russia's Spetsnaz (elite special unit of the GRU) played in terrorism and how it continues to support terrorism by operating through the mafia or in the security services themselves.

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"The spetsnaz network of agents has much in common with international terrorism, a common center, for example-yet they are different things and must not be confused. It would be foolhardy to claim that international terrorism came into being on orders from Moscow. But to claim that, without Moscow's support, international terrorism would never have assumed the scale it has would not be rash. Terrorism has been born in a variety of situations, in various circumstances and in different kinds of soil. Local nationalism has always been a potent source, and the Soviet Union supports it in any form, just as it offers concrete support to extremist groups operating within nationalist movements. Exceptions are made, of course, of the nationalist groups within the Soviet Union and the countries under its influence."

"If groups of extremists emerge in areas where there is no sure Soviet influence, you may be sure that the Soviet Union will very shortly be their best friend. In the GRU alone there are two independent and very powerful bodies dealing with questions relating to extremists and terrorists."

"…The GRU's tactics toward terrorists are simple: never give them any orders, never tell them what to do. They are destroying Western civilization: they know how to do it, the argument goes, so let them get on with it unfettered by petty supervision. Among them there are idealists ready to die for their own ideas. So let them die for them. The most important thing is to preserve their illusion that they are completely free and independent."

http://www.globalpolitician.com/default.asp?23429-russia/

U.S. intelligence community had “indications that terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and Hamas are feeling the pressure and are hurting for money.” A week later, an FBI Intelligence Bulletin echoed Levey’s conclusion and noted that “multinational efforts have helped to disrupt Al Qaeda’s financial network.” The U.S. government’s release of Ayman Zawahiri’s July 9, 2005 letter to Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in which Zawahiri requested “a new payment…of approximately one hundred thousand” “while new lines are being opened,” provided further evidence supporting the Treasury Department’s evaluation.

As authorities have clamped down on traditional financing pipelines, such as charitable front groups, and as terrorist networks have grown increasingly decentralized, terrorists have turned to criminal activities to finance their operations locally.

Throughout the world, Al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah operatives have involved themselves in an array of criminal enterprises, including counterfeiting, drug dealing, cigarette smuggling, credit card fraud, auto theft, kidnapping, extortion, and artifact trafficking.

Although criminality is outlawed under Islamic law, the Al Qaeda manual advises that “necessity permits the forbidden.” Reflecting this theory, when Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) operatives questioned whether hacking into foreigners’ bank accounts was acceptable in Islam, JI leader Abu Bakr Bashir reportedly responded, “[if] you can take their blood; then why not take their property?”

“Terrorist groups are particularly interested in raising funds through crime because as Lieutenant Colonel David LaRivee, Associate Professor of Economics at the United States Air Force Academy, stated, “many of the agencies responsible for enforcement in these areas do not traditionally focus on counterterrorism nor do they have strong ties with counterterrorist agencies.

This means that many indictable criminal activities that support terrorism are overlooked because they seem insignificant when evaluated locally, but are in fact very significant when considered from a broader perspective.” In order to disrupt these financing efforts, “local law enforcement officials will be key,” as the FBI assessed in a May 25, 2005 Intelligence Bulletin.



There is a particularly strong nexus between Afghan heroin trafficking and Islamic extremist groups. In 2002, Asa Hutchinson commented that “the DEA has…received multisource information that Osama bin Laden himself has been involved in the financing and facilitation of heroin-trafficking activities.” Further highlighting the nexus, the U.S. government extradited Baz Mohammad from Afghanistan in October 2005.

According to the DEA, Mohammad’s organization imported tens of millions of dollars of heroin into the United States and “provided financial support to the Taliban…In exchange for its financial support, the Taliban provided the Baz Mohammad Organization protection for its opium crops, heroin laboratories, drug-transportation routes, and members and associates.” Mohammad allegedly believed “that selling heroin in the United States was a ‘jihad’ because they were taking the Americans’ money at the same time the heroin they were paying for was killing them.”

A U.S. official, commenting in the media, noted that Osama bin Laden shares Baz Mohammad’s philosophy: “Bin Laden does not mind trafficking in drugs, even though it’s against the teaching of Islam, because it’s being used to kill Westerners.”

http://publicintelligence.net/ufouo-new-york-office-of-homeland-security-crime-terror-nexus-report/

*Snaps figers* "Wake up!"
 
Here is part of a long article going into fine detail, regarding the direct involvement of Russia in Islam. I recommend reading it all.

Roots of Islamic Terrorism: How Communists Helped Fundamentalists

This article traces the roots of Islamic terrorism, with special focus on Afghanistan. Notes are added on practical and philosophical problems of world media in finding the right track. From systematic errors in revealing little details, to serious misconceptions about basic facts and principles, we can relatively easily learn how much of "common knowledge" rests actually on superficial research and popular myths. Instead of becoming critical and aware of the traps laid around the issue, both Islamists and Islamophobes fail to recognize how they are manipulated.

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While Niyazov and Chernomyrdin had personal financial interests to support the Taliban, US Vice President Al Gore signed the infamous 1995 US-Russian weapons agreement, which exempted Russia from sanctions, although Russia would sell arms to Iran. This secret agreement violated the rules of 1992, by the US Congress. Gore's excuse was that Russia agreed upon not selling nuclear technology, and to stop all arms exports to Iran by the end of 1999.

This, of course, never happened, and when the failed agreement was leaked to The New York Times in October 2000, Russia declared its intention not to keep it anyway. (Reuters 31.10. and 22.11.2000)


The case illustrates how deeply Chernomyrdin was involved in businesses with Islamic extremists, and how Russia succeeded in having Bill Clinton's administration participate in shady deals against American public interests. There were also rumours of promised concessions in the pipeline projects, or in financial support to Gore's presidential campaign. Gore's loss at the November 2000 elections was a devastating surprise for Russian political establishment.

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Soviet Islamists in Russia

Islamists in modern Russia are KGB-trained provocateurs, who fight traditions and nationalism, and dream about a re-established Soviet Union. Their perception of Islam resembles more a Communist caricature than the historical roots of ethnically mainly Caucasian and Tatar Muslims. To understand the development to this better, KGB's activities in the Middle East can be divided in five-year periods:

1968-1972 the KGB puts great hopes on international terrorism in general, and

particularly on Palestinians, and other Arab Socialists. Focus on Egypt.

1973-1977 the KGB is disappointed and Arabs are frustrated, but Saudi-sponsored

Islamism provides an alternative political ideology for promoting

anti-American and pro-Russian sentiments. Focus on Iraq.

1978-1982 the KGB puts great hopes on the "Islamic revolution" of Iran, and its

expansion to Arab countries, while exporting communism into Afghanistan.

Focus on Iran. End of Andropov's era (1967-1982) in the KGB.

1983-1987 the KGB is disappointed, but accommodated by the dominance of Islamism

over orthodox Communism in Iran. Focus on Syria and Afghanistan. End of

GRU chief Pyotr Ivashutin's era (1963-1987).

1988-1992 the KGB withdraws its "active measures" inside the Soviet borders, and

concentrates in provoking "ethnic conflicts" to divide and rule

separatists in the Caucasus and elsewhere in the disintegrating empire.

The KGB is split (1991), and the GRU has chiefs with no intelligence

background (1987-1991) but establishes huge post-Soviet military bases

in Karabakh, Abkhazia, and Transdnestria.

1993-1997 the KGB (FSB and SVR) re-establishes communist power in former Soviet

Republics (except the Baltic countries) but fails to do it in Chechnya.

Afghanistan remains divided as a new group of provocateurs, the Taliban,

emerges to challenge the freedom fighters. The GRU under Fyodor Ladygin

(1992-1997), has more resources at its disposal than the SVR under

Primakov (1991-1996).

Through these phases, Russian secret services gained a tight hold on international terrorism, and specially on Islamism. It was nothing new. During the 1920s, Soviet intelligence had succeeded in thoroughly infiltrating fiercely anti-Soviet monarchist emigrant organizations. Furthermore, "dozens of mythical organizations came into being. One of these, the 'Trust', has become well known in both Western and Soviet writings. For many years the Soviet leaders claimed to have cunningly infiltrated a monarchist resistance organization, but in the 1970s they admitted that they themselves had created it. … Similar ones attacked… the church hierarchy of every denomination; and 'nationalists' inside and outside the country, with a 'line' of provocation covering each political tendency within each major ethnic subdivision - Ukrainians, Cossacks, Armenians, Georgians, Central Asians. Fragmentary information on at least two dozen 'lines' has become known in the West through the years." (Deriabin & Bagley, p. 262 and 263)

Unfortunately, "Soviet provocation… remains little understood in the West. People safe in a democratic system may find it difficult to conceive that rulers would systematically use such hostile techniques against their own subjects." (Deriabin & Bagley, p. 252)

Back in the 1920s, anti-Soviet emigrants were compromised in front of western governments to reduce their credibility, and they were used in domestic propaganda to stage sabotage actions, to scare the populace, and to provoke dissidents into revealing themselves. This excellent experience was certainly in the minds of post-Andropov and post-Ivashutin intelligence officers, who "may in fact have launched a new golden era of provocation. … A blatant example was the work of the far-right anti-Semitic organization called Pamyat (Memory)." (Deriabin & Bagley, p. 251 and 261)

For the development of Soviet Islamism, the years 1988-1992 were crucial. The KGB fought for its very existence, and the GRU too was called to fight internal enemies within Soviet borders, instead of its traditional foreign military intelligence work. Although the GRU had fewer agents abroad than the KGB (in relation 7 to 10), it was claimed to possess more financial resources by the mid-1980s. (Kuzichkin, p. 274)

Where was the money spent when the "Cold War" was declared ended, traditional military intelligence lost motivation, and left-wing terrorist organizations of the 1970s vanished from sight?

Obviously, GRU resources were concentrated to activities within Soviet borders, to arm and train provocateurs. It is known, that special forces were called from Afghanistan to crush Crimean Tatar demonstrations in Moscow, in July 1987. They appeared soon in the bloody incidents of Tbilisi (1989) and Baku (1990), and in Baltic capitals (1991).

GRU's Afghan experience was, how to manipulate Islamists and to make Communists (of the Khalq faction) to grow beards and join their declared enemies. This "Khalq strategy" provided a successful alternative to the more orthodox "Parcham strategy" that relied on ideologically less unholy alliances. When Soviet property was privatized, the GRU naturally made money out of sale of air craft and arms.

As Finnish researcher Anssi Kullberg has recently pointed out in his well documented master's thesis on Russian geopolitics, the Islamic Renaissance Party was founded in Astrakhan, in June 1990, under KGB surveillance, to argue for a Soviet and global Islam against separatist movements among Muslim nations.

The Islamic Party of Azerbaijan was founded in 1991 by a philologist, "a typical representative of the post-Soviet lumpen-intelligentsia", who was both anti-Turkic and anti-Semitic. Its members organized the burning of an Israeli flag and training of "Islamic brigades". The party fought an international Masonic (!) conspiracy to spread the American model of civilization, until its leadership was arrested in 1996, and accused of spying for Iran. (Igor Rotar: Islamic Fundamentalism in Azerbaijan - Myth or Reality? Prism 8/2000)

Soviet sponsorship for Islamism has been exposed by a Chechen nationalist leader, Ahmad Zakayev, in a revealing booklet on "Wahhabism - Kremlin's drugs against national liberation organizations". (Dziennik Polski 30.9.2001)

Finnish Polish researcher Zofia Grodzinska-Klemetti, who visited Chechnya during and between the war years, has also stressed how both Russian and Saudi intelligence were regarded by Chechens as parallel forces undermining the peace and liberty of Chechen society. She noticed in her lecture in Helsinki on October 23rd, 2001, that anti-Semitic propaganda was always in Russian language, and that God was always addressed in Arabic, as Allah, instead of using more popular appellations in local languages. It has been very typical for western Islamists to insist on the use of God's Arabic name. Obviously, anti-Semitism did not emerge from Caucasian or Russian Turkic (Tatar) cultures, but was imported in the name of Arab-centered Islam.

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