The Syrian Conflict Thread

don't be naive to believe US is for the people of Syria.

they (US) don't have any interest about how many lives lost, they only concern about how much money they can make if they make a war.
 
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U.S. public opposes Syria intervention as Obama presses Congress

U.S. public opposes Syria intervention as Obama presses Congress

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama has failed so far to convince most Americans that the United States should launch a limited military strike against Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.

Some 56 percent of those surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria, while only 19 percent supported action, the online poll found. Some 25 percent said they did not know what course of action the United States should take.

The findings are essentially unchanged from last week and indicated that Obama changed few minds on Saturday when he argued that Washington has the obligation to punish Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for what the United States says was a sarin gas attack that killed more than 1,400 people, including hundreds of children, near Damascus on August 21.

The poll showed that respondents were more likely to support a strike if they were specifically asked about the chemical-weapons attack. Even then, only 29 percent said the United States should intervene, while 48 percent opposed action. Another 24 percent said they did not know.

Obama said on Saturday he had decided the United States should take military action against Syrian government targets but has asked Congress to approve the action in an acknowledgement that many Americans have little appetite for new military engagements after more than a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The U.S. public's reluctance to get involved in Syria closely mirrors public sentiment in the United Kingdom, where Parliament last week voted down a motion to support military action by the United States' closest ally.

In the United States, 65 percent of those surveyed in a separate tracking poll agreed with a statement that said "the problems of Syria are none of our business." In the United Kingdom, a parallel poll by Ipsos found that 58 percent agreed with that statement.

Similarly, only 29 percent support the Obama administration's decision to arm anti-government rebels in Syria, while 49 percent oppose that move. Another 21 percent said they didn't know whether they agreed or disagreed with that strategy.

The online poll of 1,195 adult Americans was conducted between August 30 and September 3. It has a credibility interval of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Karey Van Hall and Philip Barbara)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/03/us-syria-crisis-usa-idUSBRE97T0NB20130903
 
Flow of refugees to Italy grows as Syria strikes loom

As the threat of US-led strikes on Syria looms large, Italy is preparing for the dramatic rise in refugee landings on its shores to increase even further.

Thousands of Syrians have arrived so far this year in a markedly different type of influx to landings seen since the start of the Arab Spring revolts in 2011.

Scores or even hundreds more arrive almost daily, in what officials say has created an "emergency" in Sicily.

They are usually better off and better connected than the thousands of Eritreans and Somalians who also come and their final destination is Sweden, not Italy.

"They have money and are well-dressed, carrying tablets," said Carla Trommino, a local lawyer in Syracuse in Sicily where most of the Syrians have arrived.

"They try to avoid identification by the authorities because they want to go to Sweden and not end up in the system of Italian refugee centres," she said.

Their Mediterranean journeys also begin in Egypt or Turkey, much farther afield than Libya or Tunisia where many recent asylum-seekers had started from.

"We often see relatives waiting with cars on the dock," said Trommino, who is also a local representative for the immigrant rights group ASGI.

"They stay one or two days and then escape," she added.

Sweden this month became the first European Union country to announce it will give asylum and permanent resident status to all Syrian refugees who apply.

Around 1,300 Syrians landed in Syracuse in August alone, compared to 646 landing in July, officials said.

"There has been a real intensification. We have had to call in reinforcements," Antonio Spampinato, the local border guard commander for Syracuse, told AFP.

Entire families, unaccompanied children and pregnant women have been among those landing, fleeing the two-year civil war in hope of a better life in Europe.

"I do expect the Syrian crisis can lead to the worsening of the refugee problem," Italy's Prime Minister Enrico Letta said earlier this month.

Interior Minister Angelino Alfano last week visited Syracuse and declared the refugee influx had become an "emergency" in Sicily -- a part of Italy that has already been badly hit by a painful recession.

He said Italy was tripling bed spaces in refugee centres to 16,000 in expectation of more arrivals and would push for a change in European asylum rules to facilitate family reunions -- which would make it easier for Syrians to leave Italy for northern Europe.

"This region is unprepared. There aren't enough bed spaces and the refugee centres that are being used right now are informal ones," Trommino said.

There have often been emotional scenes in Syracuse in recent weeks, with relatives embracing in the port after receiving word ahead of time about the arrivals.

One Syrian woman gave birth during an eight-day voyage on a boat carrying 354 other refugees, while another died as she crossed with her husband and two children.

The woman was a nurse in Damascus and her husband gave his permission for the donor use of her liver and kidneys, which saved three Italian patients.

Several Syrians arriving have had to be hospitalised with dehydration in the hot summer sun, sometimes airlifted by helicopter directly from their boats.

There have also been tensions: for example, when two Syrian men were unjustly accused by others on the boat of being crew members just because they had tried to defend their children's water rations in the crossing.

Under Italian law, crew members are arrested and deported since aiding illegal immigration is a crime.

Syrians say they pay around $3,000-$4,000 (2,275-3,000 euros) for adults and $1,500 for children for the trip.

Spampinato said people smugglers had come up with a "lucrative" system to maximise their intake by taking large numbers of asylum-seekers across on "mother ships" -- large fishing boats or cargo vessels.

Before reaching Italian national waters, they are then transferred to smaller vessels to be taken to shore.

"We identify the mother ships but we cannot intervene because they are in international waters," he said.

Similar smuggler routes from the eastern Mediterranean are used for the import of far more sinister cargo.

On Friday, a police patrol off Sicily arrested nine Egyptian and Syrian crew members, plucking them from the sea after they set fire to their own ship, an 85-metre (279-foot) cargo vessel laden with drugs.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aw
Date : 09 Sep 2013 06:24
 
Love the headline on RT.com today ..... White House: Evidence against Assad not ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ but passes ‘common-sense test’

In other words they don't have jack.
 
UN Body told chemical weapons use 'gravest' crime

The U.N. human rights chief has told the 47-nation Human Rights Council that there is little doubt that chemical weapons were used in Syria, but she did not say which of the combatants was suspected of using them.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay opened the council's month-long session telling diplomats that "all the circumstances and responsibilities remain to be clarified." She added that the use of chemical weapons is "one of the gravest crimes that can be committed."

The Geneva-based council is due to receive an update Wednesday from its panel probing for war crimes and other human rights abuses in Syria, including the use of chemical weapons.


Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 09 Sep 2013 11:31
 
Excuse me, Barack. What if it was the Saudis and their rebel proxies who used the Sarin precisely to provoke the US into bombing Assad? Ever ask yourself that, huh? Huh? Before hurling high explosives you've gotta be sure, mate. After all, you got the Peace Prize.
 
Excuse me, Barack. What if it was the Saudis and their rebel proxies who used the Sarin precisely to provoke the US into bombing Assad? Ever ask yourself that, huh? Huh? Before hurling high explosives you've gotta be sure, mate. After all, you got the Peace Prize.

The Nobel Peace Prize is the biggest joke in the history of mankind. It doesn't mean a damn **** to us. Obama can go **** himself. I hate USA with a passion.
 
Don't be so hard on Barack - history will do that. ;)

LOL it isn't just obama bro, the US policies don't seem to be dictated by presidents. Bush and obama, same thing. Different face. Obama isn't nearly as funny as bush but he has kerry to make up for that :D

O they have samples with flouride in it, you know the stuff in our water and toothpaste. That is the evidence. It is present in sarin so hair samples are proof. So all of us are being exposed to chemical weapons.

http://rt.com/news/uk-sarin-syria-weapons-chemical-573/
So basically if they had to test any of us for sarin gas, we would all be positives because they cannot tell the difference between fluorides. As far as i read. So there goes hair samples. O and we are all being exposed to chemical weapons.
 
LOL it isn't just obama bro, the US policies don't seem to be dictated by presidents. Bush and obama, same thing. Different face. Obama isn't nearly as funny as bush but he has kerry to make up for that :D

O they have samples with flouride in it, you know the stuff in our water and toothpaste. That is the evidence. It is present in sarin so hair samples are proof. So all of us are being exposed to chemical weapons.

http://rt.com/news/uk-sarin-syria-weapons-chemical-573/
So basically if they had to test any of us for sarin gas, we would all be positives because they cannot tell the difference between fluorides. As far as i read. So there goes hair samples. O and we are all being exposed to chemical weapons.

You will believe anything that RT says.

Sarin can still be traced several weeks after exposure in peoples clothing etc. And the neurological damage in patients is definatly not due to the toothpaste they where using.
 
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Sarin can still be traced several weeks after exposure in peoples clothing etc. And the neurological damage in patients is definatly not due to the toothpaste they where using.

How do you know it was not the toothpaste? It could well be that the toothpaste was supplied by Qatar laced with some poison under the guise of humanitarian aid.
 
don't be naive to believe US is for the people of Syria.

they (US) don't have any interest about how many lives lost, they only concern about how much money they can make if they make a war.

Nobody else does either. Not the Russians, the Chinese or any South Africans.

More concerned about how America reacts to this, than about the event itself and the poor bastards who got gassed, or the next lot who going to get gassed because the UN is going to do the usual thing "not intervene in case they make it worse". Well, we are now onto mass gassing. But hey, who cares how many innocents die, as long as its not Americans. Anyone else can wipe out as many folk as they please.
 
Nobody else does either. Not the Russians, the Chinese or any South Africans.

More concerned about how America reacts to this, than about the event itself and the poor bastards who got gassed, or the next lot who going to get gassed because the UN is going to do the usual thing "not intervene in case they make it worse". Well, we are now onto mass gassing. But hey, who cares how many innocents die, as long as its not Americans. Anyone else can wipe out as many folk as they please.

Cry me a river bru

100000 died thus far, really 1400 people being gassed is terrible but the point is who did it. We have gone through the kiddies and women dying and seen the video.

You keep focusing on the dead, you seem to avoid who did it and frankly that is an extremely important bit of info. You support removing assad on the basis chemical weapons were used, you don't care if those poor people were gassed by al nusra? You just blame assad.

Stay on point and the point is not the people who died or the horrific act and what not, the point is why do you support a strike without knowing assad did it for sure?

Typical american mentality, strike first realize they were wrong later. We know people were gassed, we know it was horrific. We don't know who committed the horrific act. No one denies the horrific nature of the attack but the US is going to strike assad based on rubbish intel just like iraq they will bomb first think later. obviously we are concerned regarding america taking sides. They could ignite the region and they cannot convince anyone assad for sure did it. So yes we will talk about the americans. It isn't up to them to police the world bud. If they attack syria they are declaring war.

They will make syria 100x worse than it currently is.
 
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You will believe anything that RT says.

Sarin can still be traced several weeks after exposure in peoples clothing etc. And the neurological damage in patients is definatly not due to the toothpaste they where using.

Actually it isn't rt i was believing but they are correct a UK company did deliver certain things to make sarin or that can be used to make sarin.

Then i read this http://www.naturalnews.com/041883_Syria_chemical_weapons_sodium_fluoride.html

Yes natural news and i cannot say for sure they are correct but again it casts doubt. You can google it and you will find they are 100% we would all test positive for sarin.

Odd you tune me i will believe anything rt says yet you will believe anything the US say. I still don't know who did it nor do i claim with certainty assad never did it. You believe with all your heart the lying US who have secret evidence are correct.

As mentioned cult mentality, then you tune me that i believe everything RT says yet you believe the US who have lied time and again and you don't even want to see this secret evidence they have. You just want them to bomb another country based on a 50/50 as to who did it. No bru common sense needs to prevail and i hope it does.
 
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NaturalNews? Come on killa...

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NaturalNews? Come on killa...

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Orbital, you know i know sites like that may not be legit but go research it.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/01/world/meast/syria-civil-war
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...f-UK-delivered-Sarin-agent-Syrian-regime.html


Ok so we know what they reckon it takes to make sarin, they say signatures of sarin found in hair. Fair enough, maybe someone can tell me what that signature would be? As far as i can tell if it is fluoride then i dunno orbital but perhaps you can help debunk them, i have not claimed they are correct as i very rarely do with these sites but with everything so secret it is difficult to disprove this undeniable evidence they have.

Orbital you know i clearly stated i am not sure about the claim, so at least i don't have to worry that you think i believe it as i clearly stated i was not sure.

You will notice that the only elements in this formula are:

Fluorine
Carbon
Hydrogen
Oxygen
Phosphorous

Out of those five elements, four of them (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorous) occur naturally in the human body in large quantities. Fluorine is the only element that strongly stands out against the rest in terms of elemental analysis. And fluorine is the same element that forms the basis of sodium fluoride. Sarin can, of course, also be detected as a complete molecule using liquid chromatography systems (HPLC), but this is highly unlikely to have taken place given the inherent instability of the molecule, which breaks apart upon exposure to simple moisture in the air or in the body.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041883_syria_chemical_weapons_sodium_fluoride.html#ixzz2eOvqMU8w

I will look into this tonight and see whether it is true. I don't claim it is undoubtedly the truth as i have no idea. I don't know what kerry has said about it, i have no idea what evidence they have put forward as it is secret. So i don't know what the US have nor do i know whether natural are talking nonsense. The point of this however to see whether we would all test positive for sarin or not.

I think either ponder or porch know or have knowledge regarding this type of thing. I will send them a pm after work. The way the UK link says sarin is made and the way wiki says it's made seems to conflict in my opinion.
 
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Russia to push Syria to surrender their chemical weapons

The Russian foreign minister says Moscow will push Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control.

Sergey Lavrov said Monday that if such a move would help avert a possible U.S. strike on Syria, Russia will start work "immediately" to persuade Syria to relinquish control over its chemical arsenals.

Lavrov told reporters that Russia would urge Syria to concentrate its chemical weapons in certain areas under international oversight and then dismantle them.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

Russian and Syrian foreign ministers on Monday strongly pushed for the return of United Nations inspectors to Syria to continue their probe into the use of chemical weapons and again warned Washington against launching an attack.

The statement comes as President Barack Obama, who blames President Bashar Assad for killing hundreds of his own people in a chemical attack last month, is pressing for a limited strike against the Syrian government. It has denied launching the attack, insisting along with its ally Russia that the attack was launched by the rebels to drag the U.S. into war.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said after Monday's talks with his Syrian counterpart Walid al-Moallem that U.N. chemical weapons experts should complete their probe and present their findings to the U.N. Security Council.

"We have agreed to push for the soonest return of inspectors," Lavrov said.

Al-Moallem said his government was ready to host the U.N. team, and insisted that Syria is ready to use all channels to convince the Americans that it wasn't behind the attack.

He added that Syria was ready for "full cooperation with Russia to remove any pretext for aggression."

Neither minister, however, offered any evidence to back their claim of rebel involvement in the chemical attack.

Lavrov said that Russia will continue to promote a peaceful settlement and may try to convene a gathering of all Syrian opposition figures to join in negotiations. He added that a U.S. attack on Syria would deal a fatal blow to peace efforts.

Lavrov wouldn't say how Russia could respond to a possible U.S. attack on Syria, saying that "we wouldn't like to proceed from a negative scenario and would primarily take efforts to prevent a military intervention."

President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow would keep providing assistance to Syria in case of U.S. attack, but he and other Russian officials have made clear that Russia has no intention to engage in hostilities.

Lavrov also denied allegations that Russia may have sponsored a deal between the U.S. and Syria during the Group of 20 summit in St.Petersburg last week, where Putin discussed the Syrian crisis with Obama.

"There won't be and there can't be any deal behind the back of the Syrian people," Lavrov said.


Source : Sapa-AP /sdv
Date : 09 Sep 2013 16:32
 
The Russian foreign minister says Moscow will push Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control.

Sergey Lavrov said Monday that if such a move would help avert a possible U.S. strike on Syria, Russia will start work "immediately" to persuade Syria to relinquish control over its chemical arsenals.

Lavrov told reporters that Russia would urge Syria to concentrate its chemical weapons in certain areas under international oversight and then dismantle them.

Good move.
 
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