The Truth! Hard for some,Pleasing for Most!

Oh do the maths with 1000GB (100 abusers @ 10gb) and still,
all that means the hurt is delayed until later this year, when they should easily have signed up a 100 new users!

Just give it thought!
 
Welcome nickv and Amber, to the forums,

While your agruments do hold some water, I would like to tell you that P2P can be used to get linux distros etc as well as legal MP3 from itunes.

Having said that, I belive IBurst are to blame here and not the users.

1. They have advertised a service, surley the investigated it, they had 6 months of sentech information. Sounds like bad business planning and practise.

2. My 3 GB are mine, if I want to down load and watch the weather channel, I may do so.
 
yeah, and i tell you that they are not worried about the "abusers" but the other hundreds of jhb'ers who are considering to sign up.

How will they accomodate them?
What will happen to our non-porn surfing forum memebers ;)
 
As one of these "rational" people, I would be worried that a company that I'm buying a service from is incapable of stopping so called "abuse" by other users using IT systems. I mean, would you pay for a service where you knew that your service could be affected by other supposedly "irrational" people and downloaders?

That, is the scary fact. Should people have been able to abuse the system? No. Did they? Some did... Who's problem is it? WBS's.

There's nothing more to discuss, no matter on which side of the fence you sit. It's all WBS's fault, and all their problem, and all their incompetence.
 
MONEYWEB: That being Vodacom, the Vodafone 3G product. How does 3G differ from iBurst?

THAMI MTSHALI: I don’t know how it differs, but as far as speed is concerned, in fact you can see I am carrying my 3G card, and so I’ve done my homework on 3G.

MONEYWEB: You’ve looked carefully at your competitors?

THAMI MTSHALI: And I’m getting my iBurst card. But I use this more often, not because of the choice, but because when there is no coverage you have to switch to the one you really want to give you coverage, because anybody who wants to be connected would not care what technology they used to be connected. But I use this one more because it offers me more connectivity. At my house I can’t have 3G, but I do have this, I live in Linksfield.

MONEYWEB: Thami Mtshali from Wireless Business Solutions, talking to us about iBurst a wireless broadband product.
 
bloody funny,... oh how did the CEO get the ICASA license and no one else in IT. eg IS, MWEB, TISCALI etc? I think he must have been really good.

Trying to do a background check. Can't find anything. Let me know if you can find any previous material on the CEO before he launched iBurst.
 
he has done his homework; but can't tell the difference between 3g and iBurst!

bwahhahahaa
 
I read:

WBS, using ArrayComm’s trademarked iBurst broadband wireless system, expects to cover more than 80% of the 45-million population of South Africa within three years.
(http://www.eprop.co.za/news/article.aspx?idArticle=4337)

I half a year 100 abusers have managed to bring iBurst to a standstill and they want to achieve the above target within the next 3 years!

bwahahahaaa
 
As I have said before, I do not disagree with you guys on how Iburst have managed this 'dirty' affair.

Their short-term solution resolved speed issues for a majority of users who were experiencing slow speeds.

I personally don’t care what users download and have never mentioned that but it is the quantity. My opinion revolves around the fact that the forum members who are jumping up and down are the ones affected by WBS's actions. I wasn’t affected, should I take action? No.

Off course when my speeds were slow I took action. I phoned their Helpdesk and got the run around like we all get. My problem is the majority of the people suspended were the same people telling people complaining about slow speeds to get another service.

Now the table has turned and they want to storm the WBS building.

I was getting on average 6-15KB/s I certainly didn’t come on this board and moan and whine and start a big fuss(Lawyers & ASASA). Others did whine and they were shot down by many of the people who are complaining now and told to get another service if they didn’t like this.

Someone mentioned: who just uses 3GB, or who gets Iburst to surf and email. I thought everyone agrees... who cares how you use your bandwidth.

WBS is far from perfect. There are still major problems on their network. Why did they have a pre launch? I agree about their tact and lack of communication with us.

But I do not see why I should sympathise with a few angry people who were causing slow speeds on my Iburst experience, and I do not understand why they don’t move onto another service since this seemed to be their solution last week to people experiencing slow speeds. Please take the dirt out of your own eyes before you try remove the dirt from others.
 
Amber.

Crime affects all of us.
But i am glad to hear that you keep silent because it has not affected you yet.

This is a seriously sick example, but i want to make a point, and i apologise if i offend anyone.

We are dealing with something bigger hear. Why are you in this forum anyway. to stay silent? We need to support eachother, even though we might not be affected!

I can tell you right now. And i am being a bit of a hipocrite (**** spelling! please dont use it as amo!) cause i too often choose to remain silent.

But i hope that some day if you get ripped off (typical for SA), that I will not be silent and support any efforts to combat the things that make SA a horrible place.

We are given the chance in this forum to express our grief. And all you do is to "diss" us and then choose to be silent?

I don't wish this upon you but: If you scream for help? Do you want someone to help (even though he or she is unaffected)?
 
TheRoDent said:
There's nothing more to discuss, no matter on which side of the fence you sit. It's all WBS's fault, and all their problem, and all their incompetence.
Click to expand...

I couldnt agree more. If one doesn't like it then switch to another service. I know you spearheaded the Sentech problems. I think that's great as it was affecting ALL users.

WBS's decision yesterday up to this point has only been positive for me and a large majority of other users. This seemed to come right for me when 'abusers' were suspended. I am only calling it as I am seeing it. Until now I have heard nothing from WBS (as usual).

But I am certainly not going to trust or side with a handfull of angry people with rumours, conspiracy theories and ideas, who in my perception caused my problems, now am I?
 
english is my second language so don't be all clever and ripp of my spelling etc.
That's just a sign of: "I can't come up with anything better!"
 
Amber, finally a post that is a little less emotional...

I agree with you on many of your points, but the fact is that the situation should never have gone this far out of hand. Yes, many complainants were the ones who discovered the "loopholes" on the network, and some of them are just people who merely used the system a bit more than you did.

It's not about the way in which WBS handled this situation (which is inexcusable whichever way one looks at it).

It's about the sheer incompetence that allowed users of the system to abuse the system in these kind of ways. They had a prelaunch phase, with thousands of users. These things should have been cleared up already. In fact, I talked to them in October 2004 and explained in graphic detail what they can do to not screw this up.

http://rodent.za.net/gallery/miscellaneous/IM000265

I was the first iBurster to return my modem, due to their market-dept invented packages.

The bottom line is that WBS is at fault, due to the fact that they allowed abuse of the system, and due to the manner in which they handled it. Does this bode well for the service? I can categorically state that it does not.
 
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Amber!
Know you are telling us:

Cause i live in an area now unaffected by crime, why should i bother with the people still living in crime infested areas!

I am not saying WBS are criminals. Just being figurative.
Hmm,... well,...
 
conspiracy theory?

I work with people in the Satelite com's industry. And i heared some funny stuff about WBS. Just can't prove em true. But it all makes sense.

ICASA claims it cant manage more operators, so it gave out one. Eh hello! Cant handle maybe 5 or 10?

Don't know the full story, but the money web interview has evidence of this i think
 
Saint_DC said:
Amber.

Crime affects all of us.
But i am glad to hear that you keep silent because it has not affected you yet.

This is a seriously sick example, but i want to make a point, and i apologise if i offend anyone.

We are dealing with something bigger hear. Why are you in this forum anyway. to stay silent? We need to support eachother, even though we might not be affected!

I can tell you right now. And i am being a bit of a hipocrite (**** spelling! please dont use it as amo!) cause i too often choose to remain silent.

But i hope that some day if you get ripped off (typical for SA), that I will not be silent and support any efforts to combat the things that make SA a horrible place.

We are given the chance in this forum to express our grief. And all you do is to "diss" us and then choose to be silent?

I don't wish this upon you but: If you scream for help? Do you want someone to help (even though he or she is unaffected)?
Click to expand...

I am sorry Saint_DC, but it is only a handful of users who were affected by WBS's decision and a greater majority who benefited. This is not like crime, I cannot walk away from crime without being hurt (I know). Trust me, when WBS fail on me and I become angry I will walk away to Telkom or some other service, and not waist my energy on lawsuits or ASASA. Besides there seem to be enough people willing to do this on this forum, and that is your right.

But do I have to agree or join this?
 
TheRoDent said:
The bottom line is that WBS is at fault, due to the fact that they allowed abuse of the system, and due to the manner in which they handled it. Does this bode well for the service? I can categorically state that it does not.
Click to expand...

And I am prepared to walk away from Iburst when or if it falls over.
 
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