The Truth! Hard for some,Pleasing for Most!

well at least agree, and don't drop hints at the "abusers".
It seems to me you are glad about the abusers being shut down.
I would be happy to be in your seat and have my speed problems resolved.

they will come back and haunt you later this year when more people sign up.
so don't give the abusers grief. they are the "quiet" before the storm.
An early warning.

Just be more sensitive about other people's views.


P.S. I actually enjoy your posts. Some nasty stuff hehehe
 
Amber said:
I am sorry Saint_DC, but it is only a handful of users who were affected by WBS's decision and a greater majority who benefited.

Never mind that a handful of these users were unsuspecting, normal users who did a mere 4Gb more than their 1mbps burstable allowance under the impression that afterwards the 64Kbps was "as you want" ? Really, the difference between people that did 7Gb and those that did 80Gb is rather big. Besides which, none of the comitted a crime according the iBursts' original rules of engagement.

Amber said:
Trust me, when WBS fail on me and I become angry I will walk away to Telkom or some other service, and not waist my energy on lawsuits or ASASA.
That is exactly the South African problem. People are too scared to complain and make a fuss. Rather, they'll up and leave, and go somewhere else, where they'll be treated just as badly, but they'll do it in any case, in case "this might be different". It's like the battered wife syndrome.

Amber said:
But do I have to agree or join this?

No, you don't. And hearing a differing opinion, such as your is a good thing. Just remember that there is a lot of hate, and anger being directed in this forum at the moment. Don't get caught up in the storm, it will probably work out for the worst. I think you've made your point.

Some people won, some people lost. Some people are happy, some people are unhappy.

In the end, there is only one party at fault. WBS.
 
Saint_DC said:
well at least agree, and don't drop hints at the "abusers".
It seems to me you are glad about the abusers being shut down.
I would be happy to be in your seat and have my speed problems resolved.

they will come back and haunt you later this year when more people sign up.
so don't give the abusers grief. they are the "quiet" before the storm.
An early warning.

Just be more sensitive about other people's views.


P.S. I actually enjoy your posts. Some nasty stuff hehehe

I suppose many will just be happy to hear me say that I was, at times,
being a bitch. I do hope we can all be happy Iburst users one day.

Goodnight all.
 
Amen,...

I think we are in the same boat finally.
I agree the abusers stuffed it up for the 4gb'ers, but the throttle was inevitable. WBS gave them a hand and the abusers took the whole arm. But they are not fighting the fact that they are being throttled.

But lets support eachother (abuser or non-abuser or 4gb'er) and warn them. Be "pro-active"! Cause they are going to shove some nasty stuff on our plates in the near future. Or so is the feeling i have.
 
Hey Slim. You spoke of not blaming the consumers.Well here's another angle on this that I have not seen on forum yet.

I'll use the 80gb abuser story (coz I like it!) .

Assuming all bursters are on 3gig account paying R439.Some on contract ,some on month to month.Now the contract dudes are credit vetted but the month to month are not.Now if we've got 100 dudes hitting 80gb downloads that means that WBS exposes themselves to a potential 7700gb
( 100x 3gb- 100 x 80gb =7700gb) credit risk. that translates into
R 1,378300,00 (R179,99 x 7700) potential credit risk! ( check my maths please.It is late!).This makes sense then why WBS asked the cutoff people to cough up mores cash for gigs before they would reconnect.

So then is it not a feasable that maybe it was'nt the techies that cut the abusers off but it was the Credit department! Obviously the Tech guys jumped at the chance becuase they know that they are busy screwing up with the essance of what iburst is about . To sell bandwidth. And obviously the network would show an immiediate improvement because the bandwidth demand would have dropped drastically! ( hopefully long enough time for the tech guys to get their sh*&t together and sort out the management systems's)

Can you see then that from a business point of you ,you can blame the consumer! And as all business people can attest to , when your cashflows or overdraft are being squeezed thats the time when any and all actions are taken regardless of the collateral damage.

hows that sound to you?

BTW: I'm not in the IT Business.

Regards
 
You cannot blame the consumer if you offered each one a free drink, yet had no systems in place to make sure that they only took one free drink each.
 
okay, i like the maths. however!
And i am getting frustrated as you seem a very clever guy, and obviously have some financial brains.

But. the extra gigs you buy are for uncapped gigs you want. If it were purely a bandwidth problem, the likes of telkom would put a cap on ISDN.

Okay maybe not the case for WBS cause they are not the telkom monopoly that holds the infrastructure at ransom.

however point 1.
if you with a non IT background can do the above math, with is some good basic cost managment skills. Why the hell can't they! Then tell us that after 3gb is nothing. You are basing your cost calculatons on WBS paying per GB and not for 2mb lines etc.

point 2.
7700gb credit risk? 1) if they had common sense, the first thing they would have done is ensured they throttle works before even a hint of a launch date. 2) nickv = I hope you are not a CA, cause 1,3 million credit risk only works when you base you costing systems on gb per users, in which case they would be very stupid to offer contracts with throttled bandwidth available after the 3gb cap.

Here's what they would do. Calculate stats on bandwidth usage, calculate what that would translate to on an ave per users and set the total cap per user at that point and prohibit any user to top that. cause then they truly overexpose themselfves and they hit some serious costs.


Oh stuff all this. its to late, I also cant make any proper sense!
Fact: Bloody stupid to even let users carry on surfing at 64k till the end of the month, if costs are calculated with Gb's. I can easilt do +10gb a month SIXTY FOUR K CONNECTION>

DO THE MATHS ON TEN GB ON A HUNDRED USERS ETC>
THATS JUST RISK EXPOSURE ON THE TERMS THEY HAVE SET
AND IF THEY ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE THEMSELF TO THAT RISK (ASSUMING THE HAVE GB COSTS) THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS
 
nickv said:
A multitude of post and threads have been whizzing by on this forum for last couple of days.bandwidth hogs,possible Fraud,breach of contract,mass action,mass cancellation's,etc.All semantic's and technicalities!!

The basic Truth of the matter is that as soon as the 80gb minority abusers got sent off . The network improved almost immiediatly.

Well done WBS! Perhaps a bit more tact would have been good but it did the trick and I believe the rest of the problems are managable.

So,to all the spotty faced P2P porno downloaders please do us all a favour and cancel your connections! But please dont wait till end of May.Do it tonight! Write up a quick cancellation email to WBS,switch off your Iburst,whip out your old 56K dialup modem,hook it up to yout telkom line and P2p yourselves to Porno heaven!! Clearly you are all "ecstatic" about being on a 64k throttled service.So,then I cant understand why you need Iburst!

Maybe then the rest of us can eventually start seeing the sevice that we believed that we signed up for!! and using the internet for the purpose it was intended for! Doing Business,improving our lives and expanding our Knowledge! As opposed to stealing music,movies or sitting in front of our monitors jerking off to really "hard to find" porn!

Regards

Again, WBS let the "bandwidth hogs" download that much. If their cap system was working and in place, this would never have happened and the network would NOT have deterioted like it did.

I'm capped and not a bandwidth hog, and finally can enjoy 64k throttled bandwidth. I almost called Shaun several times to thank them for actually pulling through with a semi-decent throttled system, wanted to actually buy more bandwidth to see if I'll be able to enjoy full speeds again... but then, common sense kicked in, and the euphoria returned as I looked at my cancellation letter and thought to myself... "good riddance"
 
"But. the extra gigs you buy are for uncapped gigs you want. If it were purely a bandwidth problem, the likes of telkom would put a cap on ISDN"

Why would they cap a service that you pay for per minute?
they wont because thats what it does it generates revenue?

Well all i know from my point of view is my service has been far better in the last two days, the Product is finnaly working a bit better.
 
wls said:
"But. the extra gigs you buy are for uncapped gigs you want. If it were purely a bandwidth problem, the likes of telkom would put a cap on ISDN"

Why would they cap a service that you pay for per minute?
they wont because thats what it does it generates revenue?

Well all i know from my point of view is my service has been far better in the last two days, the Product is finnaly working a bit better.

Never heared of the R7 weekend? I have previously used ISDN in conjunction with the R7 weekend. Online all weekend @ R7, doing true 64k.

Do the math. over 10gb per month easily.
 
I have deiberately stayed out of this big argument on this forum, because, I know that I would probably get insulted like some people have here and I wouldn't take too kindly to that.

The day I decided to boycott Telkom I knew I'd have to make do with iBurst or whatever else. I didn't take the decision lightly. I read what MaD had to say and I spoke to Debbie Love via e-mail about it and I thought about it a lot. I stuck my neck out in January and made my contribution to the hearings that ended this week. Due to work pressure I was unable to make an oral submission at the hearing but the documents I sent speak for themselves.

I used to work for Telkom, and while I bear a grudge against them for the way they treated me it's irrelevant to why I am boycotting Telkom. I believe Telkom is strangling my country and I am willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that the stranglehold is broken and the telecoms industry can be liberalised. Why? Because, first of all it would boost the economy. Secondly it would make internet accessible to even the poorest people in the townships; I feel it's time they also experienced the internet and learn form it like I have. Thirdly, the complete liberalisation of the telecoms market would allow me to realize one of my dreams. I see the bigger picture in this country and that is why, for now, I reserve my judgement about the product in itself.

It's so happened that, I've moved into my new house in an area where cellphone reception is not good, and there's no Telkom lines, but, with sheer luck I am walking distance from an iBurst tower.

I am not condoning in any way what happened the last two days... The action in principle was right, but the customer relations aspects of it was dead wrong, and I leave the point to you all to debate and fight out with WBS. What I am saying is, the cut-offs in principle, was the right thing to do from a business perspective, but, there should have been prior warning, and the company should have phoned the users who were exceeding their allotted bandwidth and asked them "Hi Sir, we have a bit of a problem, do you know that you are way over bandwidth?"

It can be argued that, their software and systems are a mess, and by all accounts it is indeed a huge possibility but, I am a sort of fellow that, if I know I am going over my cap, I'd back off almost completely instead of waiting for a throttle.

Blaming each other and swearing, going with lawsuits, etc... etc... has never helped sort things out quickly. The best way is for all the aggreived people to make an arrangement with WBS management, to have a meeting in a calm manner abou it. You can air your problems and they can respond and that way things can get sorted out, people can find out what the final word on the contractual policy is, etc, and answers, answers to the many questions on this forum, can finally get answered directly by the company itself, putting an end to much speculation here.

As I've said before, I can't get a Telkom line even if I wanted one, and there is no other option for me, I have to get iBurst and somehow make it work and sort out the problems as they come.

I have been on the internet for a long time, on dialup, and I've seen many problems occur over the years. I've also had problems with IRC and MSN recently, on dialup, and I can tell you now, that overseas link, it goes down sometimes. Last year I was trying to upload a file and I couldn't see my website. I phoned one of my ex-colleagues in the NOC and he told me straight away the link to America was code blue, meaning the link was down. I don't recall people going off the deep end and threatening mass action that time when 9/11 happened and we were disconnected for 4 days from the USA.

I can understand that some people are dependent on the internet for business purposes but I would never have suggested iBurst for this purpose anyway.

I really don't think iBurst is suited for some of the applications people are trying to use it for. If you want to download so much data I would suggest you get Diginet to your house then. And I am surprised that WBS responded so quickly. Try and get Telkom to fix a speed problem on a diginet line. We battled for two weeks here to get it right, eventually we had to get a manager involved.

I am not saying anyone is wrong or anyone is right. I am merely stating that, resorting to mass action, cancelling left-right-and-center is not the way to go. If I had to start up a company like that, I'd also run into snags? Why, because it's new technology, and with new stuff comes a learning curve, no matter how much training you get from the supplier of your equipment. There is always a difference between theory and practice.

WBS can improve, and I am sure they will do so over time
 
Saint_DC said:
Do you not thinks its wrong that WBS is going on a huge marketing spree when their infrastructure clearly can't handel more people. Imagine 100 high bandwidth ISDN (uncapped) users would bring MWEB to a standstill?

Their infrastructure is not ready for JHB and yet they are making our lives worse my marketing like crazy. The reason they capped it in the first place is to stop high bandwidth users.

If they cant budget bandwidth properly, they should stop.


Yup , with a few people banned , things seem a little better , but what is going to happen in a months time when hordes of other people join. If WBS cant even get a bandwidth management system in place and working , how the hell are we expecting them to manage bandwidth properly.
 
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Saint_DC said:
Never heared of the R7 weekend? I have previously used ISDN in conjunction with the R7 weekend. Online all weekend @ R7, doing true 64k.

Do the math. over 10gb per month easily.
Hadent actually no.
Ok you got me lol :D
 
Bandwidth Hogs NOT the problem

Nicky, you are so short sighted!!
Internationally people can download 25-600Gb before getting disconnected. Now in RSA people download more than 3Gb and dimwits like you shout about it. The botomline is that the broadband suppliers still deliver bad service with low bandwidths and high prices resulting in high profits.
If iBurst spent another R15k on an 2Mb line the problem would have been solved. Now, because of people like you, they rather cut of halve of their client base and keep the profits into their pockets high!

Get a brain and demand better service rather than kicking customer around you! You are probably the equivalent of a x286 in the human world!
 
There are few people posting on this thread that are so stupid that I think they should not use internet at all, it is too complicated for them!

First of all, one on 3GB limit would not stand a chance downloading 80GB if the retarded technicians at WBS had a clue how to implement the advertised cap on their system. So the maximum one can download if everything was working as advertised, would be around 24GB assuming that the connection is maxed out 24x7 for the whole month, which is practically not very feasible, so the real value would be 15-18GB.

Second, ask yourself, why most other countries do not have such kind of problems at all. Did it happen that only South Africans are bandwidth hogs??? So the rest of the world is full of people that use max 3GB per month for email and web browsing??? You are killing me! If you are so stupid to believe so, go and jump from some tall building as you are useless for the society!

If you are aware that the problem exist more or less only in SA but not because the rest of the world just happened not to use the internet as we do, then were do you think is the bloody problem??? Are you so retarded that you can't realise that the problem is in the fu*king SA government and in the fu*king companies like Telkom and WBS and not in the consumers!!! If you don't realise that, sorry but you should go back to the cave you left yesterday, throw your computer in the waste bin or give it to somebody smarter than you, and go away from this forum!
 
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Amber, I won't quote you on this, but just getting a general idea of things, your of the opinion that if your happy then everything is fine.

The thing is, part of this forums reason for existing is to try to improve the situation regarding broadband as it's a very important aspect of modern life - it has the potential to generate thousands of jobs in our country.

The bigger picture is what the forum is all about.

You do realise that there was only one case of 80gig being downloaded and most of the so called abusers didn't do much more than 6gig which is very very easy to do.

People seem to assume that all people who use 6 to 12gig are downloading pirated software and porn, but the reality is far more complex than that.

Broadband was designed for a reason - intensive bandwidth applications, such as streaming media. If I leave Radio Paradise running for 2 hours each evening at CD quality, I'll hit 6gig in a month just on that alone !

Why call it broadband if we're so restricted ?, it's just silly.

Couple with that the fact that iBurst apparently messed up on the usernames, so some people had other peoples bandwidth usage lumped onto their account !

It wouldn't be so bad if iBurst management actually SAID something about the situation, but they are either too arrogant to care about their customers, or they are hiding behind the helpdesk.

And you now trust this company ?
"Oh, they are not so bad, sure they made a mistake"

Hmmm.

The bottom line here ?

iBurst can't deliver what was promised at the price they are charging !
It was the same with Sentech.

If your happy paying R700 a month for a supposed 1mb/s connection, but only get 15kps then go for it.

Bait and Switch all over again !
 
bb_matt thanks for your post! I share every single line in your post! I wish that the people posting here that disagree with what you and I wrote, go and buy some more brain fom themselves as they seem not to have sufficient amount of it right now.

And one more questions for the brainless here, go learn some maths, why the heck you need 1 Mbit connection if you can download only 3 GB for the whole bloody month??? Are you one of those that have internet just to look smart in the eyes of his/her friends??? So next time you have a party at your house you will show all your friends you really cool modem and you will say "see I have 1 Mbit internet here" ... "but I am too stupid to use it" :-) he he he

So for all retarded on the forum: Can you please stop making comments about abusers, bandwidth hogs etc, as this things do not exist, there are people out there that use internet for whole lot of purposes that I bet you have not heard of, so keep you mouth (pen) shut and go figure out in which century you are living.
 
Pan said:
motov: thats damm lame, reported

Just 'cos it's a woman you get all uppity,she can be all "bitchy" as she puts so if she can dish it out i'm sure she can take it 'ol boy.

Good Boyscout,good boy. :rolleyes:
 
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