The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013

Can someone please explain to me why they are burning Churches?

Isnt this a case of old traditional islam vs modernised islam. I dont get where Christianity comes into it? :confused:

Its anarchy atm. Certain groups would attack churches as one church was very vocal against Morsi.
The current situation is very confusing, its not Morsi supporter VS non Morsi supporters contrary to what the media want you to believe.
Its actually the majority of Egypt population against the army thats come back into power.

Gees this is pretty screwed up... :(

And here I thought the Muslim Brotherhood were the conservative ones, and the army were radical. This is the impression I have got over twitter in the last 24 hours...

It is the army thats the new enemy, both Morsi and Anti Morsi are now together against the army.
The anti Morsi brigade overthrew Morsi for valid reasons, however they did NOT want the military to take the reigns from Morsi.

Most of the Egyptians dont even know whats going on. Its not a clear I support A and you support B fight.
 
Why not? It happens a lot. Military Juntas taking over by means of a coup d'état. Generally this is disastrous, but interestingly enough, Turkey and Egypt are 2 examples where the army actually did it to aid the people. Both examples of Islamists overstepping their bounds.

Like in Syria and Libya?
The Egyptian army is not and never did aid the people.
This is not a Islamic vs non Islamic fight, yes Morsi followed a strict Islamic code, hes biggest flaw was worrying about the regions politics before the peoples requests.
 
and the coup was the army stepping in and removing morsi , right?

I dont understand how an army in a country can just remove the current government and say, "ok show is over, we are taking over"

perhaps Im missing a very large piece of the puzzle and need to go do some reading. I would like to understand the entire story from scratch (which I believe dates back to the original revolt in 2011)

That's why it is called a "coup".
Don't underestimate, there is a lot at stake here.
The Egyptian military is one of the most powerful in the region and gets much of their backing from the USA.
The USA is trying to balance the threats in the region by giving equal strength to Israel and Egypt.
But the radical Islamists (Muslim Brotherhood) would love nothing more than to get their hands on the Egyptian military.
 
Its actually the majority of Egypt population against the army thats come back into power.
It is the army thats the new enemy, both Morsi and Anti Morsi are now together against the army.

Source ?

As I understand it a vast majority support the military. Who else is there to protect them against the fundamentalists ?
 
525 killed in day of carnage in Egypt

At least 525 people were killed in Egypt on Wednesday, including 202 protesters in a Cairo Islamist sit-in, a health ministry official told AFP.

The death toll included 43 policemen killed in violence across the country and 202 protesters killed in the Rabaa al-Adawiya protest camp, senior health ministry official Khaled al-Khatib said on Thursday.


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv
Date : 15 Aug 2013 12:57
 
Germany summons Egyptian Ambassador

Germany has summoned the Egyptian ambassador to the Foreign Ministry in protest over Wednesday's bloodshed in Cairo.

Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, who is currently on a visit to Tunisia, said the German government would emphasize that the bloodshed in Egypt had to end.

"I condemn the use of force in the evacuation of the squares yesterday in Egypt with great emphasis," Westerwelle said. "There must be no spiral in the escalation of violence."

Italy and France also summoned the Egyptian ambassadors Thursday in an apparently coordinated response by European governments.


Source : Sapa-dpa /sdv
Date : 15 Aug 2013 12:43
 
That's why it is called a "coup".
Don't underestimate, there is a lot at stake here.
The Egyptian military is one of the most powerful in the region and gets much of their backing from the USA.
The USA is trying to balance the threats in the region by giving equal strength to Israel and Egypt.
But the radical Islamists (Muslim Brotherhood) would love nothing more than to get their hands on the Egyptian military.

The egypian armed forces are the most powerful in the region, the USA in my opinion is not in control of the situation, saudia arabia now control the army not the americans.

Believe me you don't the saudis involved in egypt. They now have the biggest army in the region listening to whatever the saudis say. America is no longer the puppet master, now the saudis have acquired the biggest army but what do they have in mind for the egypian people? wabbism, worse laws than morsi could ever imagine? Who knows but one thing is for sure the egypian army belong to the saudi government who hate everyone, iran, america, israel, basically anyone who does not follow their wabbist ways are enemies of the saudis.
 
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Source ?

As I understand it a vast majority support the military. Who else is there to protect them against the fundamentalists ?

Nooo they ousted Mubaruk and HIS military in 2011.
The majority then voted in Morsi aware of Morsi Islamic stance.
Morsi stuffed up when he decided to close gas lines to Israel. Open gaza borders. Meet with Hamas. Etc
He failed the people and forgot about them. He failed to hear the people.
They then turned against him. But not in favour of the military.
 
Gary i was watching aljazeera live, you are trying to make it seem like protestors were the violent ones, the same people that sat for days without an incident. Peaceful sit in, nothing more than that. The army said 24 hours to leave. The peaceful sit in stayed the army attacked in a brutal manner. killing reporters, not cross fire or accidentally. Outright murder. Detaining them for hours.

Stormed a hospital told everyone to get out, leaving injured people to die. No this was a peaceful protest turned violent by the army. By no means am i saying the protestors were not violent once the army went into the peaceful sit ins but if this was libya or syria, there would be a resolution sitting at UN already.

Scary times, military coup, saudis pump 8 billion into egypt. Al qaeda extremists launch a rocket at israel and claim no city is safe. Now if i am correct and the saudis support and fund al queda and the egypian army does not like israel i would be a bit worried. Israel have made a bad mistake allowing egypian troops into sinai.
 
World Powers condemn Egypt bloodshed

Egypt's military rulers Thursday faced international condemnation over the bloody crackdown on Muslim Brotherhood protesters, with France warning of the threat of "civil war" and Turkey demanding UN action.

More than 500 people were killed in Wednesday's assaults on two Cairo protest camps of supporters of ousted Islamist president Mohamed Morsi in the country's worst violence in decades.

The United States led global outcry against the "deplorable" violence, while Paris, London, Berlin and Rome summoned Egypt's ambassadors to voice their strong concern.

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a Morsi supporter, called for an urgent UN Security Council meeting over Egypt's "massacre" of the demonstrators.

China was characteristically muted, appealing for "maximum restraint" from all parties, while fellow Security Council permanent member Russia only urged tourists to avoid trips to Egypt.

Only two Gulf states that have cracked down on Islamist groups within their own borders, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, initially voiced support for the Cairo military leaders.

French President Francois Hollande said "everything must be done to avoid a civil war" in Egypt, while his government conveyed France's "great concern over the tragic events" to Egypt's envoy.

"France is committed to finding a political solution and calls for elections to be held as soon as possible, in line with the commitments made by Egypt's transitional authorities," said a statement.

Britain also condemned the violence, expressed its "deep concern" to Egypt's envoy and urged "the greatest restraint".

Germany, whose Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle has called for an end to violence and resumed negotiations, told Egypt's envoy its position "in no uncertain terms," said a ministry spokeswoman.

Turkey's Erdogan said "this is a very serious massacre... against the Egyptian people who were only protesting peacefully". He also criticised the "silence" of the global community in the face of the bloodshed.

The United States did not initially object to the overthrow of Morsi --Egypt's first democratically elected and Islamist leader -- and has avoided using the term "coup," which under US law would have halted some $1.3 billion in annual military aid to Cairo.

But US Secretary of State John Kerry's comments, in which he called for elections, appeared to fully recant his previously expressed support for Egypt's military-backed government.

"Today's events are deplorable and they run counter to Egyptian aspirations for peace, inclusion and genuine democracy," he said.

The New York Times called on President Barack Obama to suspend US military aid after "Egypt's ruling generals have demonstrated beyond any lingering doubt that they have no aptitude for, and apparently little interest in, guiding their country back to democracy".

Pope Francis said he was praying for the victims of the violence and appealed for "peace, dialogue and reconciliation", during a blessing at Castel Gandolfo, the summer papal residence near Rome.

Denmark suspended aid worth four million euros ($5.3 million) to Egypt "in response to the bloody events and the very regrettable turn the development of democracy has taken".

From Asia, Pakistan expressed its "dismay and deep concern" over the loss of innocent lives and called the events "a major setback for Egypt's return to democracy".

The Philippines urged its 6,000 nationals in Egypt to leave the country and raised the alert level due to "the escalating civil unrest".

Only the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain voiced support for Egypt's military leaders, saying it was the state's duty to restore order.

The Emirati foreign ministry affirmed its "understanding of the sovereign measures taken by the Egyptian government after it had practised maximum self-restraint during the preceding period".

The Gulf state, where dozens of Islamists have been jailed for plotting to overthrow the regime, criticised what it said was the "insistence of political extremism groups to make speeches of violence and incitement... that led to (Wednesday's) sad events."

Bahrain, which is facing an uprising led by the Shiite majority against the Sunni regime, said that the "measures taken by Egyptian authorities to restore peace and stability were to protect the rights of the Egyptian citizen, which the state is obliged to do."


Source : Sapa-AFP /sdv
Date : 15 Aug 2013 15:05
 
Bahrain, which is facing an uprising led by the Shiite majority against the Sunni regime, said that the "measures taken by Egyptian authorities to restore peace and stability were to protect the rights of the Egyptian citizen, which the state is obliged to do."

*braces for incoming killa post*
 
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