The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013

Why scary? Why did 53% vote for him, how many have changed their minds?
Can Tahrir square and surrounds handle 33 000 000 people?

If you read my post(don't worry i used to skim rather than read) you would have seen they had a choice between muburaks buddies and considering they wanted him gone many might not have wanted to vote for that party so morsi was about their only option.

All morsi has focused on is making sharia part of the Constitution, egypt was going backwards under him as well due to his focus on getting the MB beliefs into play. The army gave him time to look at the Egyptian peoples demands. He could have done more but he stood his ground, the army then him gave 48 hours to either change his policies or they would remove him. Again he stood his ground.

Typical of a radical regime, people who support morsi are followers of sharia law, they won't be peaceful and they will die for cause. Morsi was more focused on his beliefs being part of egypt than he was on running the country. He was given a chance to stay in power if he just listened to the people and agreed to some of their demands and then he could show he cared about the people. Instead he never listened or even gave it some thought.
 
Or are you clueless? One thing is for certain, none of the news media or man on the street knows WTF is actually going on. Even some Egyptians! Fact is something is happening, they dont know what, niether does the army, MB, people of Egypt.
They wasnted change, and they got a whole lot to deal with now. Different factors, different tangents, nothing clear cut.
They wanted Morsi out, they got it.
They dont want the army in charge.
They dont want US aid or support.
etc etc etc

Well, apparently you know what's going on, considering you're lecturing everyone here on who the Muslim Brotherhood really are.
 
Well, apparently you know what's going on, considering you're lecturing everyone here on who the Muslim Brotherhood really are.

If he has read their beliefs i think he might change his mind. If he understands what happened after muburak resigned he will see how morsi came to power. Well those are opinions based on watching aljazeera for hours on friday and they interviewed pro and anti people. The pro guys were saying he was democratically elected and this is a mockery of democracy, the anti guys are saying he wanted to push harsh laws on them and the country was going backwards. If morsi put more effort into the country instead of the laws he would still be in power.

As an anti morsi person said on aljazeera, democracy does not mean you can do what you like and run the country how you want. Democracy does not give anyone the right to do what they want. He was elected to help the people and country move forward, he was not elected to change laws and the constitution.

Article 2, makes “the principles of Islamic law the main source of legislation,[10]” a statement defining the relationship between Islam and Egyptian law, essentially unchanged from Egypt's old constitution.[11] At the urging of Islamists, another article was added to the constitution strengthening the relationship, defining the “principles of Shariah” in the terms of Muslim Sunni jurisprudence[8] i.e. "evidence, rules, jurisprudence and sources" accepted by Sunni Islam.[12] Liberals fear "Islamic punishments for things like theft, adultery, and blasphemy are not far behind".[10]

Basically the same laws that saudi arabia have. That was his main focus, unacceptable.

O yes the above statements are not my own, just telling you guys what was said on aljazeera interviews on friday.
 
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http://rt.com/news/egypt-morsi-islamist-rally-cairo-766/

Now if i am not mistaken but both libya and syria were doing similar things, turkey has also been warned about the violent ways they are dealings with protestors, perhaps people will understand why assad and qaddafi used forced against the people because qaddafi and assad had pro and anti supporters.

They have closed the MB HQ now as well. This isn't going away, there will hundreds dead possibly by the end of the week unless the pro mosi protestors relax but they won't. So at what point would the egytian military get told to stop killing protestors. Tough situation just like qaddafi and assad faced. Seems turkey and egypt though it's chilled to do it with violence. Hope these anti morsi okes realize it is a losing battle and accept it but we are talking about sharia law supporters here.

Scary news for egypt:
14:38 GMT: Egypt’s spokesmen said two policemen and one army officer were killed after the Republican Guard’s Cairo headquarters came under "heavy gunfire" from supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi on Monday, AP reports. Army Col. Ahmed Mohammed Ali added that another 42 troops were injured, with 8 in critical condition.

Heavy gun fire from pro morsi supporters, army killing pro morsi people. Civil war looking a certainty if they have access to weapons capable of heavy gunfire(no idea what they used). If the pro morsi supporters are going to be armed, the syrian situation will be exactly like egypt. Saudi arabia could easily get their radical members into egypt along with weapons, al queda could easily start blowing up cars and sending in their 70 virgin believers. Perhaps i am wrong thinking the saudis would send weapons and well trained people to go in and fight.
 
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Well, apparently you know what's going on, considering you're lecturing everyone here on who the Muslim Brotherhood really are.

I'm trying to make sense of it all.
MB don't have an army, it's a civilian party. They are not a terrorist organisation.
Here's my understanding.
50/50 split for and against Morsi and MB.
100% against the army.
The army is killing most of the people and blaming the MB.
 
I'm trying to make sense of it all.
MB don't have an army, it's a civilian party. They are not a terrorist organisation.
Here's my understanding.
50/50 split for and against Morsi and MB.
100% against the army.
The army is killing most of the people and blaming the MB.

Egypt, the place with denial.
 
I'm trying to make sense of it all.
MB don't have an army, it's a civilian party. They are not a terrorist organisation.

And? Doesn't mean they aren't overstepping their bounds and trying to force their religious ideology on everyone.

Haldex said:
Here's my understanding.
50/50 split for and against Morsi and MB.
100% against the army.
The army is killing most of the people and blaming the MB.

And you base this on what...? Where do you get that everyone's against the army?
 
I'm trying to make sense of it all.
MB don't have an army, it's a civilian party. They are not a terrorist organisation.
Here's my understanding.
50/50 split for and against Morsi and MB.
100% against the army.
The army is killing most of the people and blaming the MB.

No 100% are not against the army, they are against the army running the country and the army have stated they have no desire to run the country. They want to rewrite the Constitution to get rid of the morsi rubbish.

Seems the saudi's actually hate the MB or so they claim, they blame them for the regional issues but the saudis are the ones funding the likes of al queda and the taliban.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...kileaks-Saudis-chief-funders-of-al-Qaeda.html
They fund the taliban as well, i would imagine al nusra in syria arrived in dec 2012 and quickly became the most effective opposition, again saudi backed. http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/03/10/292820/saudi-spy-agency-funds-syria-terrorists/

I am beginning to wonder now whether this was a coup, i never knew muburak was funded by the saudis, now they have removed the people who were not saudi friendly.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/07/05/videos-should-us-cut-aid-to-egypt-over-coup/

So i don't think the US have had anything to do with the coup but i must admit the way morsi and his people have been locked up is a little odd. The US seem at odds as to whether they should continue to support egypt financially.

Egyptian army are heavily funded by the saudis as well. If the saudis really hate the MB then the army will be able to kill pro morsi supporters with no threat of an intervention. Can't see how the morsi supporters can get the type of help the likes of the taliban, al queda and al nusra have received. Saudis wanted MB gone, i never realized muburak was a big friend of the saudis and the MB were not, the saudis have their friends back in power. I thought muburak was a US puppet but he was actually a saudi puppet but i am slightly confused as to whether the US are involved with the saudis or whether the saudis are sucking the US into the region to help destabilize it. Interesting. I don't think the US knew much about the coup though. I think the US perhaps know what the saudis are doing but due to oil they can't really do much about it. Perhaps the US are actually saudi puppets :eek: hahah interesting.
 
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@killa now you beginning to understand the dynamics if the coup, it was a military coup.
The army is funded by Saudi and US and is Israeli friendly. Just like Mubaruk was and one of the main reasons he was ousted.

Morsi was becoming Israels worst nightmare, stoping gas lines and providing aid to gaza. He went mbeki in the people and not Mandela, he took on the regional politics ahead of the people, it should have been done the other way around.

The military however is the enemy if the people, the army is a direct hand of the Mubaruk regime.
 
@killa now you beginning to understand the dynamics if the coup, it was a military coup.
The army is funded by Saudi and US and is Israeli friendly. Just like Mubaruk was and one of the main reasons he was ousted.

Morsi was becoming Israels worst nightmare, stoping gas lines and providing aid to gaza. He went mbeki in the people and not Mandela, he took on the regional politics ahead of the people, it should have been done the other way around.

The military however is the enemy if the people, the army is a direct hand of the Mubaruk regime.

The same military that refused to follow his orders when he wanted them to violently put down the initial uprising?
 
No haldex morsi was not good for egypt, he was changing many things and he was going to enforce laws on egypians.

Millions of people do not rise up because saudi arabia says so, however the uprising gave the saudis exactly what they needed, a reason to remove him.

Not sure the US are in on this coup, it will be interesting to see how long the pro morsi crowd can keep going without anyone coming to help them and no one is.

http://rt.com/op-edge/egypt-declare-independence-from-us-783/
Trust me it isn't anti US entirely, interesting points made. Nothing about the saudis but good interview none the less.
 
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The C.A.R. was also a member despite Bozizé having overthrown the government by force. Only got suspended recently. Guess these AU rules are more like guidelines. :p

Oh AU, you are such a fsck up :D

I think this a good move by the AU. They should continue and suspend the rest of the AU nations as well. Nobody will notice that they are gone.
 
No haldex morsi was not good for egypt, he was changing many things and he was going to enforce laws on egypians.

Millions of people do not rise up because saudi arabia says so, however the uprising gave the saudis exactly what they needed, a reason to remove him.

Not sure the US are in on this coup, it will be interesting to see how long the pro morsi crowd can keep going without anyone coming to help them and no one is.

http://rt.com/op-edge/egypt-declare-independence-from-us-783/
Trust me it isn't anti US entirely, interesting points made. Nothing about the saudis but good interview none the less.

Im not for Morsi, im glad hes out. Its a problem now that the military is in "power".

Yes Saudi is happy, US is happy, Israel is sort of happy. Egypt is the key alie in the region.
I think the US will take advantage of the current situation.

The pro Morsi crowd is now the majority of Egypt fighting the military, the anti Morsi protestors are now becoming the victims of the the armies brutality.
 
Actually the pro morsi supporters are the minority. They have no incoming help from the west, saudi's etc so i can't actually see a civil war, the army has made promises and it has said they will not run the country but for the moment they are in control and the situation should settle down in a week or so.

MB doesn't have the resources required to keep the uprising going, the pro morsi guys have no weapons and no militants coming to their aid. It isn't a popular uprising now. With syria you have outside fighters, saudi,qatar supplying militants and arms but the pro morsi supporters have no one and no weapons on the horizon. Can't see them maintaining their protests.
 
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Actually the pro morsi supporters are the minority. They have no incoming help from the west, saudi's etc so i can't actually see a civil war, the army has made promises and it has said they will not run the country but for the moment they are in control and the situation should settle down in a week or so.

MB doesn't have the resources required to keep the uprising going, the pro morsi guys have no weapons and militants coming to their aid. It isn't a popular uprising now. With syria you have outside fighters, saudi,qatar supplying militants and arms but the pro morsi supporters have no one and no weapons on the horizon. Can't see them maintaining their protests.

So who got killed on Monday morning Killa? Pro or Anti Morsi people?
40 dead, killed by the army.
 
So who got killed on Monday morning Killa? Pro or Anti Morsi people?
40 dead, killed by the army.

Pro morsi as far as i know but you know the media, hard to tell which story to believe. Heard they killed small children and woman, look syria and libya were attacked or condemned for the exact same things, both leaders had a big following. For now though haldex the army are only killing when needed. The Egyptian army would not kill Egyptians unless they need to. You think muburak left so quickly because his time was up? The Egyptian army refused to kill Egyptians. The army is not controlled by the government haldex, they are there to ensure the people of egypt are safe, be it outside forces or government.

They are not slaughtering the people unless they have no choice.

The media though are not distorting the truth and cnn and co are not going crazy like they did in libya and syria. All they had was that for days. No doubt an agenda at play and as we know the double standards exist but morsi supporters support sharia law so i don't mind if they are put down.

Qaddafi and assad ran secular countries, now radicals run libya and radical sharia people will run syria if assad falls. That seems fine though, makes me think the saudi's US and israel are in bed but you may find saudi arabia are keeping the US close while they cause havoc across the region. Most of the hijackers were saudi, makes sense that a well organized country pulled 911 off, i cannot believe the taliban or even osama bin laden had the resources available to pull off 911. Again saudi arabia being involved in 911 is a conspiracy or theory.

I wonder if the US were sucked into the middle east possibly similar to the japs who hit pearl harbour but i don't know i am beginning to see saudi and even qatar influencing the middle east in a bad way. Qatar allows the taliban to open offices while they are slaughtering innocent people, killing afghan troops, killing nato forces. Now i can't wrap my head around a terror group having offices while they slaughter innocent people. I can understand the armed forces being targeted but the taliban slaughter innocents for fun. Saudia arabia also funds al queda, i thought the CIA funded them but they are Saudi funded, the innocent killing specialists are funded by the saudis. Car bombs in iraq all al queda i am sure. They love the car bomb attacks all over the middle east.
 
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Islamists Rally after Carnage as Vote Scheduled

Egypt's interim leader vowed fresh elections by early next year as Islamists prepared to rally Tuesday after dozens of ousted president Mohamed Morsi's loyalists died in clashes at a Cairo military barracks.

Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, which has led demonstrations against last week's military overthrow of the Islamist leader, called for an "uprising" after accusing troops and police of "massacring" its supporters during dawn prayers on Monday.

"Each province is organising funerals and rallies (Tuesday), and each province will have a central sit-in," Brotherhood spokesman Gehad El-Haddad told AFP.

Amid the widening chasm in the restive country, interim president Adly Mansour issued a decree setting a timetable for a referendum on an amended constitution and then for parliamentary elections.

The whole process will take no more than 210 days, according to the decree, meaning elections by early February at the latest.

Mansour will announce the date for presidential elections after the new parliament convenes, according to a draft of the 33-article decree published by the official MENA news agency.

The Brotherhood released the names of 42 people killed in the incident outside the elite Republican Guards' headquarters, as the interior ministry and military said two policemen and a soldier were also killed.

Emergency services chief Mohammed Sultan said at least 51 people were killed and 435 wounded.

The military blamed "terrorists", while witnesses, including Brotherhood supporters at the scene, said security forces fired warning shots and tear gas, and that "thugs" in civilian clothes carried out the shootings.

The United States called on the Egyptian army to exercise "maximum restraint", while also condemning "explicit" Brotherhood calls to violence.

The Islamist movement's political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP), had called for "an uprising by the great people of Egypt against those trying to steal their revolution with tanks" because of Monday's killings.

In the Suez Canal city of Port Said, gunmen on a motorcycle opened fire on a church early Tuesday, wounding a man, witnesses said.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the latest wave of bloodshed in Egypt, calling for an independent inquiry.

According to Mansour's decree, a panel representing political, religious and security services will agree final amendments to the constitution suspended on Morsi's ouster and put it to referendum within five months.

Parliamentary elections would be completed in less than three months after the constitution is ratified.

A senior Muslim Brotherhood official denounced the decree. "A constitutional decree by a man appointed by putschists... brings the country back to square one," said Essam al-Erian in a Facebook posting.

In response to the "massacre", the conservative Islamist Al-Nur party, which won almost a quarter of the votes in 2011-2012 parliamentary elections and had backed the army's overthrow of Morsi, said it was pulling out of talks on a new government.

Al-Nur had rejected leading liberal Mohamed ElBaradei's nomination as prime minister.

Among the names being floated as Egypt's next premier is liberal economist Samir Radwan, who told AFP he was considering the position.

Mansour, a top judge before his appointment as interim president, has ordered a judicial commission of inquiry into the killings.

Witnesses say Islamists hurled stones at the security forces who responded with tear gas and live rounds.

"Morsi supporters were praying while the police and army fired live rounds and tear gas at them," said the Brotherhood.

Emotions ran high as people searched for the names of missing loved ones on a list of the dead in hospital, where dozens of bodies were laid on the bloody floor of a makeshift morgue.

The army warned it would not allow anyone to threaten national security, urging protesters to stay away from military installations and to end their sit-ins.

International condemnation of Monday's bloodshed poured in, with Germany expressing "shock" at the violence, Turkey calling it an attack on "humanity" and Brotherhood backer Qatar urging "self-restraint" and "unity".

Morsi's single year of turbulent rule was marked by accusations he failed the 2011 revolution that ousted autocratic president Hosni Mubarak by concentrating power in Islamist hands and letting the economy nosedive.

The military, which overthrew Morsi after millions took to the streets from June 30 demanding that he resign, has come under mounting international pressure to swiftly install a civilian administration to oversee a rapid return to elected government.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 09 Jul 2013 09:46
 
Interesting the army is blaming terrorists for the need to kill, assad and qaddafi were called liars and the media said there were no terrorists and they were slaughtering innocent people.

Really these double standards annoy me. Assad and qaddafi said there are radical or extremists causing violence but that was ignored and the media claimed they were slaughtering woman and children. Yet here we have the military blaming terrorists and people believe them. As annoyed as the double standard makes me the morsi supporters must just accept he is gone and they can't change anything for now. Trouble with sharia law is it seems to make people seemingly happy to die because they think there is a cause. Pro morsi people need to understand, they are the minority, no one is coming to help them so stop protesting. Stop the violence and wait for elections.

There won't be rebel groups, there won't be fighters backed by a power house bringing in weapons and training. The media will not say the egypian army are killing innocent woman and children as they did with assad and qaddafi. No matter how many they kill. Logic vs sharia law. Can't see logic being applied.
 
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SA Condemns Morsi Toppling

The removal of the democratically elected president of Egypt is in breach of African Union laws, the international relations department said on Tuesday.

"The South African government views this as a serious breach of the African Union Constitutive Act and other relevant instruments, including the African Charter on Democracy... and the Lome Declaration," Deputy International Relations Minister Ebrahim Ebrahim told media in Pretoria.

The armed forces overthrew Mohammed Mursi last week, declaring that he had failed the Egyptian people. Mursi was toppled just a year after he was elected as Egypt's first freely elected president.

Ebrahim said South Africa welcomed and endorsed the resolutions of the AU Peace and Security Council meeting held on July 5 to discuss the Egyptian situation.

The meeting decided to suspend the participation of Egypt in AU activities until the restoration of constitutional order.

"Furthermore, the South African government considers this event a major setback for the advancement and consolidation of democracy in Africa," said Ebrahim.

Government was "perturbed" about the potential negative impact of the Egyptian situation on peace, stability, and security in that country and region, he said.

"In this respect, South Africa wishes to strongly condemn the shameful acts of violence that took place in Cairo on July 8 that left more than 50 people dead and over 400 wounded."

Government called on all parties to engage in "inclusive political dialogue" to return to a constitutional order as quickly as possible through holding free, fair, and all-inclusive elections.

Ebrahim said all non-essential personnel and families attached to the South African embassy in Cairo remained temporarily withdrawn "until the situation allows for their return".

The South African embassy in Egypt remained open and was available to assist South African citizens should circumstances require.


Source : Sapa /pd/hdw/jk/ks
Date : 09 Jul 2013 14:58
 
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