Arthur
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Because they do. It's a big deal in their society.
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The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013
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Haldex
Expert Member
Why do you say that?
No, it really does have a lot to do with religion, religious fundamentalism to be exact. The Egypt people didn't want the country to piss on their rights to not be Muslim. It's about constitutional issues, not elected peoples. Otherwise they would have waited it out.
porchrat
Honorary Master
The MB is an islamic movement that exists mainly to place the Quran and the Sunnah into a central position within all aspects of life, including state law.
Members of the movement have in the past made some pretty crazy statements. For example supporting the implementation of the jizya and insisting that top officials always be Muslims as Christians may one day betray the country if it is invaded by a Christian country.
They are also not against the idea of using violence to achieve their goals.
The MB is most certainly not just a name.
Do you think things like the jizya and other forms of religious discrimination are reasonable things that should be tolerated?
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The Muslim Brotherhood is not just a name, Nooooooo, it is an Islamic movement, who are you kidding here, or do you just don't know?
quite funny when you say how little people know and you are actually clueless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
But hey, in case you still think its just a name and wiki is just meh wiki, from their official English site:
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=29330
just a name hahahahahahahahahaha
The Muslim Brotherhood/Morsi did and the people do not appreciate it.
We all know the way you swing, Saudi would be a good place for you, you can Sharia law until it comes out of your ass.
Arthur
Honorary Master
Sure it's about constitutional issues and finding a good leader, as you say. And those protesting think a good leader is one who who doesn't impose religious rules on society, and they object to a constitution that entrenched Islamic beliefs and rules.
So it's about religion, and the way rulers and constitutions handle religion.
Yes, MB Js just a name. Noone is objecting to just a name. They are objecting to the imposition of a political and legal system that oppresses Egyptians who are not Muslims.
Dunno why you don't know that.
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OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
lol at Haldex getting pwned. Clueless as usual.
marine1
Honorary Master
The Muslim Brotherhood is not just a name, Nooooooo, it is an Islamic movement, who are you kidding here, or do you just don't know?
quite funny when you say how little people know and you are actually clueless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
But hey, in case you still think its just a name and wiki is just meh wiki, from their official English site:
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=29330
just a name hahahahahahahahahaha
wahahahah game, set and match !killadoob
Honorary Master
Who was it that said they were going to egypt in two weeks and hoped things would have settled down? voicy i think.
Well civil war has begun, extremists will now rush to the aid.
Sharia law vs secular law. Game on.
Well civil war has begun, extremists will now rush to the aid.
Sharia law vs secular law. Game on.
Grant
Honorary Master
There we go - fixed !
At least 15 Muslim brotherhood members killed by Egyptian army
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/us-egypt-protests-deaths-idUSBRE96704L20130708
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/us-egypt-protests-deaths-idUSBRE96704L20130708
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Clash at Military Building leaves 34 Dead
At least 34 people were killed Monday in clashes outside a military building in Cairo where supporters of the former president were holding a sit-in, an Egyptian health ministry official said.
Ministry spokesman Khaled el-Khatib said initial reports also indicated at least 300 were wounded, although he gave no details on the circumstances of the killings.
Military spokesmen said gunmen opened fire on troops at the building, killing at least five supporters of Mohammed Morsi and one officer.
A spokesman from Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood and a witness at the scene however said military forces opened fire at dawn on the protesters outside the Republican Guard building. The different accounts could not be reconciled.
Satellite broadcaster Al-Jazeera showed footage from a nearby field hospital of at least six dead bodies laid out on the ground, some with severe wounds. A medic from the area, Hesham Agami, said ambulances were unable to transport more than 200 wounded to hospitals because the military had blocked off the roads.
Al-Shaimaa Younes, who was at the sit-in, said military troops and police forces opened fire on the protesters during early morning prayers. "They opened fire with live ammunition and lobbed tear gas," she said by telephone. "There was panic and people started running. I saw people fall."
Women and children had been among the protesters, she said.
Morsi supporters have been holding rallies and a sit-in outside the Republican Guard building since the military deposed Morsi during massive protests against him. The military chief replaced Morsi with an interim leader, until presidential elections are held. But Morsi's supporters refuse to recognize the interim leader and insist Morsi be reinstated. Besides the Republican Guard sit-in, they are also holding thousands-strong daily rallies at a nearby mosque.
Morsi's opponents are also holding rival rallies. They say the former president lost his legitimacy by mismanaging the country and not ruling democratically, leading to a mass revolt that called on the army to push him from office.
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Associated Press Writer Maggie Michael contributed to this report
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 08 Jul 2013 09:46
At least 34 people were killed Monday in clashes outside a military building in Cairo where supporters of the former president were holding a sit-in, an Egyptian health ministry official said.
Ministry spokesman Khaled el-Khatib said initial reports also indicated at least 300 were wounded, although he gave no details on the circumstances of the killings.
Military spokesmen said gunmen opened fire on troops at the building, killing at least five supporters of Mohammed Morsi and one officer.
A spokesman from Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood and a witness at the scene however said military forces opened fire at dawn on the protesters outside the Republican Guard building. The different accounts could not be reconciled.
Satellite broadcaster Al-Jazeera showed footage from a nearby field hospital of at least six dead bodies laid out on the ground, some with severe wounds. A medic from the area, Hesham Agami, said ambulances were unable to transport more than 200 wounded to hospitals because the military had blocked off the roads.
Al-Shaimaa Younes, who was at the sit-in, said military troops and police forces opened fire on the protesters during early morning prayers. "They opened fire with live ammunition and lobbed tear gas," she said by telephone. "There was panic and people started running. I saw people fall."
Women and children had been among the protesters, she said.
Morsi supporters have been holding rallies and a sit-in outside the Republican Guard building since the military deposed Morsi during massive protests against him. The military chief replaced Morsi with an interim leader, until presidential elections are held. But Morsi's supporters refuse to recognize the interim leader and insist Morsi be reinstated. Besides the Republican Guard sit-in, they are also holding thousands-strong daily rallies at a nearby mosque.
Morsi's opponents are also holding rival rallies. They say the former president lost his legitimacy by mismanaging the country and not ruling democratically, leading to a mass revolt that called on the army to push him from office.
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Associated Press Writer Maggie Michael contributed to this report
Source : Sapa-AP /pk
Date : 08 Jul 2013 09:46
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Muslim Brotherhood calls for 'Uprising'
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood called for an "uprising" on Monday after dozens of supporters were killed outside an elite army headquarters in Cairo, and urged international intervention to prevent a "new Syria."
The Islamist group's political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, called for "an uprising by the great people of Egypt against those trying to steal their revolution with tanks."
It urged "the international community and international groups and all the free people of the world to intervene to stop further massacres ... and prevent a new Syria in the Arab world."
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 08 Jul 2013 09:22
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood called for an "uprising" on Monday after dozens of supporters were killed outside an elite army headquarters in Cairo, and urged international intervention to prevent a "new Syria."
The Islamist group's political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, called for "an uprising by the great people of Egypt against those trying to steal their revolution with tanks."
It urged "the international community and international groups and all the free people of the world to intervene to stop further massacres ... and prevent a new Syria in the Arab world."
Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 08 Jul 2013 09:22
You need to start a new thread for "pro-morsi protests in Egypt"
killadoob
Honorary Master
Intervention? doubtful.
Clearly the army is slaughtering their people now. So the US must pull aid. Granted i am not unhappy morsi people are dying but this is no different to libya or syria. Problem is the army are showing they are biased, creating radicals and you can bet radical people will flock to their aid.
Egypt is basically done unless they can get the supporters under control but killing them isn't going to get anything under control it will only make things worse.
As long as the army are protecting israel from any problems then it's chilled but i can see a syria situation developing except i doubt there will an intervention.
Clearly the army is slaughtering their people now. So the US must pull aid. Granted i am not unhappy morsi people are dying but this is no different to libya or syria. Problem is the army are showing they are biased, creating radicals and you can bet radical people will flock to their aid.
Egypt is basically done unless they can get the supporters under control but killing them isn't going to get anything under control it will only make things worse.
As long as the army are protecting israel from any problems then it's chilled but i can see a syria situation developing except i doubt there will an intervention.
Haldex
Expert Member
The Muslim Brotherhood is not just a name, Nooooooo, it is an Islamic movement, who are you kidding here, or do you just don't know?
quite funny when you say how little people know and you are actually clueless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
But hey, in case you still think its just a name and wiki is just meh wiki, from their official English site:
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=29330
just a name hahahahahahahahahaha
Wrong! They perhaps a movement like ANC was/is but they dont necessarily fully support a religious take over as the media suggests. They are not terrorists.
How do you know the population did not appreciate the MB initially? Why vote for them in the beginning?
There was speculation of possible Shariah law but just rumors, it never happened and was never mentioned by the MB.
The religious factor played a role when the MB was vague about the Christians being attacked, they did not condemn it in a way that showed they supported the Christians. Just one of their many mistakes. But to brand them a religious fundamental group is going a bit far.
Or are you clueless? One thing is for certain, none of the news media or man on the street knows WTF is actually going on. Even some Egyptians! Fact is something is happening, they dont know what, niether does the army, MB, people of Egypt.
They wasnted change, and they got a whole lot to deal with now. Different factors, different tangents, nothing clear cut.
They wanted Morsi out, they got it.
They dont want the army in charge.
They dont want US aid or support.
etc etc etc
killadoob
Honorary Master
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood
Haldex i would like you to read their beliefs, you know i am all for defending the religion but it is a religious movement that believes in sharia and were working on that more than the countries problems. That is why i said the pro morsi supporters would get violent and the army would have to start handling them.
When egypt got rid of the dictator, they had a choice between the dictators buddies or morsi, they really didn't have many options. Morsi has not followed through on anything and he was going to make egypt a proper islamic state and run it like one. Egypt is an islamic state but the dictator ran it as a secular country. You can't stop his supporters, they will die for morsi. The MB beliefs are radical. The army must do whatever it takes to ensure there isn't civil war and that may end up being massive slaughtering of morsi supporters, there is no deal or peace, either put morsi back in power or the pro morsi guys will happily die for him.
Suicide bombings, car bombs etc will be the order of the day if they don't do something to resolve the situation. Releasing morsi from jail would be a good start. There is no reason for him to be in jail and it is making the supporters even more violent. He can be moved out of the country to go live somewhere in exile. I must say the MB beliefs are scary.
Haldex i would like you to read their beliefs, you know i am all for defending the religion but it is a religious movement that believes in sharia and were working on that more than the countries problems. That is why i said the pro morsi supporters would get violent and the army would have to start handling them.
When egypt got rid of the dictator, they had a choice between the dictators buddies or morsi, they really didn't have many options. Morsi has not followed through on anything and he was going to make egypt a proper islamic state and run it like one. Egypt is an islamic state but the dictator ran it as a secular country. You can't stop his supporters, they will die for morsi. The MB beliefs are radical. The army must do whatever it takes to ensure there isn't civil war and that may end up being massive slaughtering of morsi supporters, there is no deal or peace, either put morsi back in power or the pro morsi guys will happily die for him.
Suicide bombings, car bombs etc will be the order of the day if they don't do something to resolve the situation. Releasing morsi from jail would be a good start. There is no reason for him to be in jail and it is making the supporters even more violent. He can be moved out of the country to go live somewhere in exile. I must say the MB beliefs are scary.
Haldex
Expert Member
Why scary? Why did 53% vote for him, how many have changed their minds?
Can Tahrir square and surrounds handle 33 000 000 people?