The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013

killadoob said:
As do i, i don't care if people want to be religious. Every person has the right to believe in something because let's be honest we don't know so it is up to the individual to decide for themselves. It isn't up to me or anyone to say your religion is rubbish or blah blah however no government should be allowed to force any sort of religion or religious laws on people.

It's about time even muslims stood up and said we have the right to be what we are but you(government) will not force it on us. Look at places like saudi arabia where woman are stoned if they say someone raped them. That kind of shyte comes from the bloody dark ages. So the people of turkey and Egypt are doing well.

Egypt need to ensure they nail they those morsi supporters if the get violent, protest sure but do it peacefully which i highly doubt, i cannot see supporters of sharia law protesting peacefully but who knows maybe i am mistaken.
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Well said killa! Well said.
 
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porchrat said:
Fixed :p
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Thanx dude, i proof read it before posting and after but sometimes people are quick haha, i seem to be able to pick up mistakes better when it's posted haha, just gotta proof and edit quicker :D. Thanx

lived666 said:
Indeed.
It annoys the **** out of me when I find myself agreeing with Killa, but for once he got it right, spot on, hit the nail on the head and all that.
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Why does it annoy you though? i know i come across anti western and people think i can't see anything past that but just the other day grant said he is beginning to think the region(middle east) needs a dictator but when i said it at the time, everyone was like you support terror haha. I don't enjoy thinking like that because it's not nice but most dictators at least run secular countries. Saddam, qaddafi, muburak, assad, i think yemen but don't hold me to that one. You look at those countries since they were removed and they are all fked. Regardless of who or why they were removed the people need to realize they have been freed yet they just fight for power instead of finding a resolution to move forward, saddam told the west, remove me and iraq will never recover.


I have toned down the anti west views which i still have but i can see that the situation is no longer influenced as much by the west in certain places. Qatar and the saudi's i am beginning to worry about, specially considering qatar allows the taliban to open offices in their country, the same group terrorizing afghan people, killing army troops and coalition troops.

Back on topic...

http://rt.com/news/egypt-milllions-protest-morsi-458/ yes i know it is rt but honestly their coverage is superb, live updates. Doesn't look like morsi supporters are going to be peaceful.

Can someone tell me what time prayers finish in egypt? I can't google at the moment.
 
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killadoob said:
As do i, i don't care if people want to be religious. Every person has the right to believe in something because let's be honest we don't know so it is up to the individual to decide for themselves. It isn't up to me or anyone to say your religion is rubbish or blah blah however no government should be allowed to force any sort of religion or religious laws on people.

It's about time even muslims stood up and said we have the right to be what we are but you(government) will not force it on us. Look at places like saudi arabia where woman are stoned if they say someone raped them. That kind of shyte comes from the bloody dark ages. So the people of turkey and Egypt are doing well.

Egypt need to ensure they nail they those morsi supporters if the get violent, protest sure but do it peacefully which i highly doubt, i cannot see supporters of sharia law protesting peacefully but who knows maybe i am mistaken.
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As with every other theory about the protest, US influence, attack on islam what have you.
This is not a protest against islamic ideology or Shariah law or anything islamic, the MB is just their name not a movement.

The protest is about the actual leader and the party.
 
Haldex said:
As with every other theory about the protest, US influence, attack on islam what have you.
This is not a protest against islamic ideology or Shariah law or anything islamic, the MB is just their name not a movement.

The protest is about the actual leader and the party.
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Actually, the protest is about Egyptians wanting to move away from radical and restrictive Islamist ideology.
 
Haldex said:
As with every other theory about the protest, US influence, attack on islam what have you.
This is not a protest against islamic ideology or Shariah law or anything islamic, the MB is just their name not a movement.

The protest is about the actual leader and the party.
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The protest should also be about Islam in government. Religion is a personal choice that has no place in government. There is no compulsion in religion remember.

I think you are right to a degree. To me this seems primarily like a protest against a group that the people were worried were trying to seize absolute power. To argue that it isn't about the MB is incorrect though. The people of Egypt aren't stupid, they know that the party is a front for the MB in Egypt and the MB doesn't have a sterling track record.
 
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Garyvdh said:
Actually, the protest is about Egyptians wanting to move away from radical and restrictive Islamist ideology.
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Haldex this is not something you can disagree with, it is a fact. I have watched several interviews and the main reason is that morsi was trying to rewrite or change the Constitution to include sharia law and enforce sharia law. This isn't an opinion gary has or i have it is a fact, they don't want sharia law and morsi was going to do just that.

There are protests after prayers so we will see how things go. Halxed a democratically elected government has no right to force something on people who have been under the rule of a dictator for how long who more than likely forced certain things on them. Democracy is about freedom, sharia isn't freedom thus he is no longer considered a legitimate leader. He is a radical person who cares more about sharia law being used than he does about running the country.

O shyte this is news to me, i knew he was trying to do it but i didn't realize he had done it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/mohamed-morsi-egypt-constitution-law

No wonder the army said they will rush to rewrite the constitution.
 
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Another question would be what are the main causes for the entire ARAB Spring uprisings across the Middle East?

It's not just soci-economic or military or tyrant rule, etc.

The main reason is that the prevailing religious structures have failed to move with the times and failed to allow for true democratic reforms.... which should have then in turn resulted in socio-economic advancement.

Why have their been so many tyrants in the Middle Eastern countries? Because they have been able to largely excuse their democratic shortcomings due to religious reasoning. "We are not democratic nations, we are Muslim Nations"
 
killadoob said:
Haldex this is not something you can disagree with, it is a fact. I have watched several interviews and the main reason is that morsi was trying to rewrite or change the Constitution to include sharia law and enforce sharia law. This isn't an opinion gary has or i have it is a fact, they don't want sharia law and morsi was going to do just that.

There are protests after prayers so we will see how things go. Halxed a democratically elected government has no right to force something on people who have been under the rule of a dictator for how long who more than likely forced certain things on them. Democracy is about freedom, sharia isn't freedom thus he is no longer considered a legitimate leader. He is a radical person who cares more about sharia law being used than he does about running the country.
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He was not ousted for the possible inclusion of Shariah law.

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner but the sheep has all the guns." - Benjamin Franklin
 
He was ousted because he failed to bring about the change that the first revolution had demanded.
And also because he tried to assume too much power, which was worrying considering that he belonged to a more radical movement.
 
Haldex said:
He was not ousted for the possible inclusion of Shariah law.

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. A republic is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner but the sheep has all the guns." - Benjamin Franklin
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Read the link, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/mohamed-morsi-egypt-constitution-law

Haldex bro, trust me this isn't a conspiracy to remove a MB person, this is the will of the egypian people to ensure they have democracy and freedom. There is no possible way you can actually argue that morsi was doing anything but ensuring sharia law was in place. It's on rt, cnn, bbc, all the networks are saying it. This isn't a conspiracy and you know i love anything anti west and he was from the MB so we could say the coup was western influenced but that simply is a lie. It would not even be considered a conspiracy theory.

You do know the armies role in egypt right? Even with muburak the army refused to shoot the people, where as perhaps some other governments have used heavy handed tactics like turkey, iraq, libya , syria when protests began. The egyptian army will shoot enemies of egypt even if they are Egyptian but they will not be the aggressors. They will react rather than attack.
 
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Garyvdh said:
He was ousted because he failed to bring about the change that the first revolution had demanded.
And also because he tried to assume too much power, which was worrying considering that he belonged to a more radical movement.
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According to the Guardianista morons

The ousted Muslim Brotherhood on the other have gained a cause even more potent than Islamism. They are now fighting for constitutional democracy. No longer can they be accused of trying to hide the worst sins of the army and the police when they are so obviously their victims.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/04/egypt-throwing-ballot-box-window
 
Morsi was not suddenly removed from power, he had options and he had time to please the people or make changes they wanted. He refused to budge. The army then gave him 48 hours to do something, again he refused. A coup means a military force moves in removes the president and assumes power, they don't offer time and terms or alert the president they will remove him in in the next two weeks and then give him another 48 hours.

Haldex here we go.

http://rt.com/op-edge/sepahpour-egypt-revolution-america-638/

I know that will satisfy you but i don't believe the US have influenced this at all.
 
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11:15 GMT: Egypt’s army announced a state of emergency in both South Sinai and Suez after an airport in El Arish was attacked by armed Islamist gunmen on Friday.
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Latest from rt.com
 
The African Union Suspends Egypt

The African Union Peace and Security Council has suspended Egypt from the 54-nation bloc, citing an unconstitutional power grab in the North African nation.


Source : Sapa-dpa /gq
Date : 05 Jul 2013 13:15
 
Garyvdh said:
The African Union Suspends Egypt

The African Union Peace and Security Council has suspended Egypt from the 54-nation bloc, citing an unconstitutional power grab in the North African nation.


Source : Sapa-dpa /gq
Date : 05 Jul 2013 13:15
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Wait Zimbabwe are on the list of countries hahaha. Tons of other nations that really should not be there.

I hope egypt shows that the people have the power not the governments and we see this in more countries. Similar to the first revolution in Tunisia, spread pretty quickly when it worked. I wonder if this will spread to countries where the governments are not doing what they said.
 
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