The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013

Garyvdh said:
He was ousted because he failed to bring about the change that the first revolution had demanded.
And also because he tried to assume too much power, which was worrying considering that he belonged to a more radical movement.
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Agreed, but he was becoming too autocratic, which is not necessarily Islamic and not what the people voted for.

killadoob said:
Morsi was not suddenly removed from power, he had options and he had time to please the people or make changes they wanted. He refused to budge. The army then gave him 48 hours to do something, again he refused. A coup means a military force moves in removes the president and assumes power, they don't offer time and terms or alert the president they will remove him in in the next two weeks and then give him another 48 hours.

Haldex here we go.

http://rt.com/op-edge/sepahpour-egypt-revolution-america-638/

I know that will satisfy you but i don't believe the US have influenced this at all.
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Im aware of the developments that lead to his demise.
Yes the US and neighbours are just as happy to see him leave.
But Morsi was not a leader for the people hence he was ousted.

The issue now is that as much as they wanted Morsi gone, they didnt expect the military to gain to control again.
 
killadoob said:
Wait Zimbabwe are on the list of countries hahaha. Tons of other nations that really should not be there.

I hope egypt shows that the people have the power not the governments and we see this in more countries. Similar to the first revolution in Tunisia, spread pretty quickly when it worked. I wonder if this will spread to countries where the governments are not doing what they said.
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The C.A.R. was also a member despite Bozizé having overthrown the government by force. Only got suspended recently. Guess these AU rules are more like guidelines. :p

Oh AU, you are such a fsck up :D
 
Gunfire Heard as Morsi Backers march on Egyptian Military HQ...

Gunfire erupted outside the Cairo headquarters of the Republican Guard on Friday where supporters of ousted Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi had massed vowing to defend him.

Shooting could be heard coming from both the Republican Guard and the protesters, an AFP correspondent said. Several wounded protesters fell to the ground.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aa
Date : 05 Jul 2013 15:20
 
3 Dead in Gunfight between Egypt Army, Protestors: AFP

At least three people were killed when soldiers and supporters of ousted Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi exchanged gunfire near the Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo on Friday, an AFP correspondent reported.

The bodies of two people were covered in sheets when confirmed dead, the correspondent said, adding another protester had been shot in the head and fell to the ground. Parts of his brain spilled out of his skull.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aa
Date : 05 Jul 2013 15:36
 
Hamas Urges Faith in Arab Spring despite Morsi Ouster

Ismail Haniya, head of the Hamas government in Gaza, appealed in a Friday sermon to have faith in the Arab Spring despite the ouster of Egypt's Islamist president Mohamed Morsi by the army.

"Do not fear for the Palestinian cause or for the resistance (against Israel) or for Gaza. Egypt is behind us, as are the Arab and Islamic countries," Haniya said.

"We believe good will emerge from this Arab Spring, these revolutions and this rebirth. We expect the Arab Spring cycle to continue until its objectives are attained, including our own cause."

Haniya's political adviser Yussef Rizq on Thursday criticised on his Facebook page the ouster of Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected president.

"What happened in Egypt, his eviction and removal of power, is not part of a genuine democratic process, because they used military force and not the voice of the people through elections," Rizq said.

Hamas has not officially reacted to Morsi's removal whose election it feted in June 2012 as he hails from the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, to which the Palestinian Islamist movement is affiliated.

Under Morsi, as well as former Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak, Egypt promoted reconciliation efforts between Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's Fatah movement which governs the West Bank and Hamas which rules the Gaza Strip.


Source : Sapa-AFP /aa
Date : 05 Jul 2013 15:39 OrigID : LC020220
 
Sorry when last was there a democratic election in Gaza?
 
ponder said:
That's not killa! killa succumbed to extraordinary rendition some time back and is now in Gitmo. The guy you see posting here is a planted mole :p :D
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Bwahaha, that makes more sense than the reality! Maybe he ran out of the good 'doob' ! :D
 
So apparently it's scientifically impossible to fit 33 million people in and around Tahrir square?
Makes sense to me, 30 million people is almost 60% of our population.
 
F1 Fan said:
I havent read much on this, but why are the people against him again? Other than the fact tht he has appointed fellow muslims in his cabinet(Shouldnt happen, appointments should be made on merit).
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In a nutshell sharia law, he was just trying to push it into law, he should have been more worried about the people and country instead of spending his days debating how to get sharia implemented. Even though egypt is an islamic state the old president refused to run it as one instead he basically ran a secular government but not officially.

Bwhahaha gary i know the change has been so quick it seems like a different person but life and certain other aspects changed, feel like a new person.
 
killadoob said:
Bwhahaha gary i know the change has been so quick it seems like a different person but life and certain other aspects changed, feel like a new person.
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My earlier comment was a joke in case you are wondering. I much prefer the new killa (if it's really you :p ).

May I ask what brought about the change?
 
ponder said:
My earlier comment was a joke in case you are wondering. I much prefer the new killa (if it's really you :p ).

May I ask what brought about the change?
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Meds and i was told to work on my stubborn nature(that has been the biggest change i think). From there i looked at how i came across and how i posted and realized i needed to change. So my opinions won't change but they will be opinions not the only possible answer :D. I also realized my anti western ways clouded my judgement most of the time and i didn't see other aspects like the people(of the country) or other countries like qatar, saudi etc being in the game.

So now i am still anti west but do see that they are only part of the problem and not the main problem. So now i don't come across like the anti western fool who posts like a total tool. Reading more opinions has helped big time. I was also sick of arguing with people when i was mostly wrong.

Anyways back on topic:

watching aljazeera and it is chaos. Looked at one stage like there was going to be a massive clash, old school. No guns, just rocks, sticks and punching but once that happens how on earth do you tell pro from anti. They are not wearing clothing indicating who you should they beat or punch. So that has kept a full on old school battle on hold for the moment. No army presence or police.
 
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More than 30 people killed in overnight violence. So lucky the MB called for a non violent response.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE95Q0NO20130706

(Reuters) - Egypt counted its dead on Saturday after Islamists enraged by the overthrow of President Mohamed Mursi took to the streets in an explosion of violence against what they denounced as a military coup.

At least 30 people died and more than 1,000 were wounded after Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood movement called "Friday of Rejection" protests across the country and tried to march on the military compound where the ousted president is held.

The most deadly clashes were in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, where 14 people died and 200 were wounded. In central Cairo, pro- and anti-Mursi protesters fought pitched battles late into the night with stones, knives, petrol bombs and clubs as armored personnel carriers rumbled among them.

It took hours to restore calm. The Nile River bridges around the landmark Egyptian Museum where the street fights raged were still covered with the debris of rocks and shattered glass on Saturday morning. Both pro- and anti-Mursi activists remained encamped in different squares in the capital.

The Health Ministry said 30 people were killed throughout Egypt on Friday, and 1,138 injured, state media reported.
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Egypian army and police handled this situation in the correct way. Don't go killing people, don't use force. Let them kill each other and see how it develops. Very good tactics.

It was chaos last night, army or police intervention would have inflamed it far more.

People who support sharia law will be violent. So there was always going to be clashes, whether this descends into a full scale civil war we will see.
 
killadoob said:
Egypian army and police handled this situation in the correct way. Don't go killing people, don't use force. Let them kill each other and see how it develops. Very good tactics.

It was chaos last night, army or police intervention would have inflamed it far more.

People who support sharia law will be violent. So there was always going to be clashes, whether this descends into a full scale civil war we will see.
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Haha! Don't ever become head of the police or army. :p
 
Lightscribe said:
Haha! Don't ever become head of the police or army. :p
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Why? Would you rather the army went in, get attacked and then open fire killing protestors and inflaming the situation even more?

I somehow doubt you were watching aljazeera for 2 hours while the crowds lobbed stones, molotov cocktails and had a few skirmishes. If you had been watching you would have noticed that army or police presence would have turned violent pretty quickly. Then the army would be blamed for attacking anti morsi people which would inflame the situation even more. they could not tell anti from pro at times. I think even the egypian people at certain points didn't know if they were attacking pro or anti people.

So instead of doing the killing and injuring the people they let the people do it so no blame could be placed on the army for being biased. You had to have been watching it to fully understand why police and army presence would have taken a turn for the worst.
 
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They need to restore order. That is their duty. No nation can just allow it's citizens to fight to the death. Water cannons and teargas/stun grenades will need to be used where necessary, lethal force where necessary.

Your solution means there is no need for police and army then. Just let chaos reign. That's no solution.
 
Very significant move this. I can't immediately recall another example in history where an overwhelmingly Muslim populace has overthrown an Islamist ruler. Seems like a historical first?
 
Arthur said:
Very significant move this. I can't immediately recall another example in history where an overwhelmingly Muslim populace has overthrown an Islamist ruler. Seems like a historical first?
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Why is everyone bringing religion into this?
It's very little about religion, it's more about a finding a good leader.
The media is making it seem as if the Muslim people are against the Muslim religion.
The MB is just a name.

Just shows how little people actually know and how much they influenced by the media.
 
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