The Unrest in Egypt Thread 2013

*braces for incoming killa post*

LOL well yea since this is my go to example of the double standards we see everyday no doubt :D.

Bahrain, which is facing an uprising led by the Shiite majority against the Sunni regime, said that the "measures taken by Egyptian authorities to restore peace and stability were to protect the rights of the Egyptian citizen, which the state is obliged to do."

This coming from a country that has banned protesting, arrests activists and they are the minority. All backed with the support of the US and saudi arabia. The US government condemning this while they having a base in a country that does the exact thing is a joke. So is the 1.3 billion they are so worried about handing over, 8 billion trumps 1.3 billion. Egypian army no longer bows to the US.

Daveza does civil disobedience apply to a coup? As far as i know there is no formal Constitution in egypt at the moment so there are no laws to be broken but i could be mistaken.
 
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Huh? Don't you mean if a guy is driving a tank tells you to go away, you go away?

I mean anyone in military uniform who has command over visible artillery - then I do as he suggests.

I am of course welcome to do my civil disobedience bit, but need to be well aware that the outcome could be a shell up my arse.
 
I mean anyone in military uniform who has command over visible artillery - then I do as he suggests.

I am of course welcome to do my civil disobedience bit, but need to be well aware that the outcome could be a shell up my arse.

I didn't see the army clamping down on the anti morsi protests. I didn't see the military giving them an ultimatum. I never saw anyone claiming that was civil disobedience. Pro morsi supporters are treated the way i expected considering the saudis are involved.
 
I didn't see the army clamping down on the anti morsi protests. I didn't see the military giving them an ultimatum. I never saw anyone claiming that was civil disobedience. Pro morsi supporters are treated the way i expected considering the saudis are involved.

Who was favoured over the other isn't the question here.

If you want to do a Marikana when you have been warned of the consequences that's your choice - and if you die then it's your responsibility.
 
Who was favoured over the other isn't the question here.

If you want to do a Marikana when you have been warned of the consequences that's your choice - and if you die then it's your responsibility.

No firstly marikana was different, the police were peaceful, the protestors were not. It is the other way around this time the peaceful people protesting which i assume is allowed as egypt does not have an official consitution in place and even under the old one peaceful demonstrations were allowed. Now peaceful demonstrations are considered civil disobedience? Regardless of my feelings towards shariah law, once again we see double standards. Anti morsi demonstrators allowed to do what they like. No civil disobedience as long as it was peaceful they could demonstrate, the pro morsi guys do exactly the same thing, no civil disobedience and they are attacked by the army. There is no law stating you cannot protest, there is no law saying the army can attack peaceful protestors.

Sorry but comparing what happened in marikana to egypt is just down right silly. If they had peacefully protested in marikana no one would have been killed but what did they do, they killed police officers and burnt two security guards alive. Thus they were not peaceful then they confronted the police and got mowed down.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...ays-peaceful-protest-must-go-on-in-Egypt.aspx

Sorry but attacking peaceful protestors is wrong, if morsi had attacked those anti morsi protestors i doubt people would be defending him.

Last night i found this article and thought it was rather interesting. http://writingsbyhassanelsawafegypt61.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/a-salafist-role-model-2012/
 
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You mean these peaceful protestors ?

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You mean these peaceful protestors ?

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Did that happen before or after the the military gunned down unarmed people and bulldozed them out of their peaceful sit in spots? Watched it happen on aljazeera so you don't need to answer the question.

Any pictures of unarmed peaceful protestors being slaughtered prior to that incident? Any pictures off the military clearing out a hospital with wounded people badly needing help?
 
Did that happen before or after the the military gunned down unarmed people and bulldozed them out of their peaceful sit in spots? Watched it happen on aljazeera so you don't need to answer the question.

So what was the plan - for the people sitting peacefully to just sit peacefully forever ?

How did these peaceful people suddenly find weapons to use - peaceful people don't have a stash of arms and ammunition close at hand normally.
 
So what was the plan - for the people sitting peacefully to just sit peacefully forever ?

How did these peaceful people suddenly find weapons to use - peaceful people don't have a stash of arms and ammunition close at hand normally.

What was the plan for anti morsi protestors? Just sit/stand there protesting forever but it ended up with morsi being removed. So you are saying what is the point of protesting when protesting lead to the removal of a democratically elected president.

I see your point, protesting doesn't get anything done o wait...
 
I'm just doubting the claim of them being ' peaceful ' protesters - the response of the military is another matter.

You don't like the analogy, but the Marikana protesters also claimed to be peaceful.

Peaceful with pangas, spears and guns.
 
These protests have never been peaceful, and the more they harp on about that the more I distrust the ones saying it.

Really, how is it morsi supporters sat there with no violence for weeks while the military warned them, they would come and do what was needed to break up the peaceful sit in

Wednesday's crackdown follows weeks of warnings from the interim Egyptian leadership that force would possibly used to clear the protesters.

WEEKS(no violence) of warning against peaceful protestors, FORCE would be used. So it was peaceful but they knew the military would not allow the peaceful protests to go on so i am sure they got some weapons and what not into the camps in case the military followed through with it's forceful removal of a peaceful protest that went on for weeks. When the military went in there was only one outcome. Chaos.

They achieved one goal though, vice president gone. Now there must be a new anti military(secular people are now led by the army) camp emerging.
 
http://wgntv.com/2013/08/15/despite-deaths-muslim-brotherhood-vows-to-continue-protests-in-egypt/

Security forces raided the pro-Morsy camps Wednesday after weeks of simmering tension. Clashes and gunfire broke out, leaving pools of blood and bodies strewn all over the streets.

Authorities bulldozed tents and escorted hundreds of people away. Some mothers and fathers managed to whisk away their children, gas masks on their faces.

I would not lose a moments sleep for anyone killed or injured who put their children in harms way.
 
Really, how is it morsi supporters sat there with no violence for weeks while the military warned them, they would come and do what was needed to break up the peaceful sit in



WEEKS(no violence) of warning against peaceful protestors, FORCE would be used. So it was peaceful but they knew the military would not allow the peaceful protests to go on so i am sure they got some weapons and what not into the camps in case the military followed through with it's forceful removal of a peaceful protest that went on for weeks. When the military went in there was only one outcome. Chaos.

They achieved one goal though, vice president gone. Now there must be a new anti military(secular people are now led by the army) camp emerging.

BS, they've never been peaceful. There has been killings every week since this latest ouster started. Have you seen the weapons they've confiscated from the Morsi supporters?
 
US Military Aid to keep flowing to Egypt

Despite the cancellation of a joint exercise announced by President Barack Obama on Thursday, US military aid will keep flowing to Egypt, an arrangement dating back more than three decades.

Designed to reward Egypt for its 1979 peace accord with Israel and to secure naval access to the Suez Canal, the annual $1.3 billion in military assistance finances American-made weapons and hardware for Cairo as well as training for its officers.

Condemning a violent crackdown by Egyptian forces that killed hundreds of protesters, Obama said "traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual" and cancelled the Bright Star exercises, which are held every two years.

Obama faces growing calls in Congress to cut off aid altogether over events in Egypt, but halting the assistance would likely cost Washington billions, officials say, giving the US president little flexibility.

The US government signs contracts with defense companies to deliver fighter jets, missiles and other weapons to Egypt, and the contracts typically apply over several years -- under the assumption annual American military assistance will continue.

As a result, if aid to Egypt were shut off, the US government would be liable for unpaid funds to the defense firms.

After Israel, Egypt is the largest recipient of US aid, with Washington paying out $68 billion since 1979.

US military support makes up the lion's share of Washington's annual aid package to Egypt, with only $250 million in economic assistance compared to the $1.3 billion provided every year for defense.

The military assistance covers about 80 percent of the Egyptian army's materiel, including M1A1 Abrams tanks and F-16 fighter jets. The Abrams are produced in Egypt, which is due to acquire 1,200 of the tanks.

Egypt has a fleet of 220 F-16 fighters, and a 2010 agreement commits Lockheed Martin to provide 20 additional F-16s at a cost of $2.5 billion. Out of the 20 warplanes, 14 have been delivered but Washington decided in July to postpone the scheduled delivery of four F-16s after the Egyptian military's ousting of President Mohammed Morsi.

The Bright Star exercise also was cancelled in 2011, amid mass protests against longtime president Hosni Mubarak. The last drill was held in 2009, which involved more than 1,300 troops as well as forces from Germany, Kuwait and Pakistan.

Along with expensive weapons and exercises, US aid also bankrolls education and training for Egyptian officers at American military bases and colleges. The Pentagon places a high value on the exchanges as a way of forging long-term relationships between senior officers on both sides.

Egypt's current army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, who led Morsi's overthrow, is among those who came to America to study US military doctrine.


Source : Sapa-AFP /kn
Date : 15 Aug 2013 20:10
 
Yankee GO HOME ! ( and keep your guns there )

Along with expensive weapons and exercises, US aid also bankrolls education and training for Egyptian officers at American military bases and colleges. The Pentagon places a high value on the exchanges as a way of forging long-term relationships between senior officers on both sides.

Egypt's current army chief General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, who led Morsi's overthrow, is among those who came to America to study US military doctrine.
AAAhhh

Gary -- I see you are slowly beginning to understand.
YOU
Now need to research the "School of the Americas"

The American Gov ( in collaboration with the Military-Industrial Complex ) tends to support dictators -- makes clinching those deals that much easier !

YOU
Could also go watch "Lord of War" ..........
 
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