ROFLOL. It's still the most independent metric provided. I'm not going to get into another argument with you about things contrived by the human mind.
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HavocXphere
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Well this thread has been derailed thoroughly...
Anyway. Encountered something new today - an SA expat upset about the FX rate. I wonder what the logic behind that was...
Anyway. Encountered something new today - an SA expat upset about the FX rate. I wonder what the logic behind that was...
Dave
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Still got money or a pension in rands?
HavocXphere
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Maybe. Bit young for that though. Leaning towards concerned about fam. She seemed sufficiently upset that I didn't date probe further...
Dave
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Could be, I know my m-i-l gets a pension from SA that is worth less every time it arrives (she arranged it to be paid quarterly), luckily for her she also worked long enough in the UK before going to SA to still qualify for a UK pension.
Personally, I'm worried that things are going to hell in a handbasket faster than anyone expected. I am concerned about everyone there of course, but my immediate concern is that if my family and my wife's family need to leave, I don't really know that all they can unless things get bad enough to warrant refugee status.
HavocXphere
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Yeah same. They're too old to leave.
RustyPrincess
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Still cheaper than transferring cash to a bank account with fees overseas. I think SWIFT transfers cost more than an amount coming off your debit card.
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theratman
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FFS
If SA fall out of AGOA(March) we gonna hit R20-25/$ by year end and as much as exporters love the selling price, the prolonged period above R13/$ will make them go bankrupt due to goods & services needed to support production all being sold in USD. Watch how fast the unions start crying in a surprising twist 
As much as people think this is bad.. keep in mind that this means the pressure on is mounting to unbearable levels on Zuma due to this fiscal issues.. Gonna be an interesting budget speech, elections etc ANC will be forced to act if things continue
As much as people think this is bad.. keep in mind that this means the pressure on is mounting to unbearable levels on Zuma due to this fiscal issues.. Gonna be an interesting budget speech, elections etc ANC will be forced to act if things continue
Not suspended yet.
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Well, announced. Gotta hurt sentiment even before it's implemented
It looks like it's more of deadline to actually start buying their products.
reactor_sa
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If SA fall out of AGOA(March) we gonna hit R20-25/$ by year end and as much as exporters love the selling price, the prolonged period above R13/$ will make them go bankrupt due to goods & services needed to support production all being sold in USD. Watch how fast the unions start crying in a surprising twist
As much as people think this is bad.. keep in mind that this means the pressure on is mounting to unbearable levels on Zuma due to this fiscal issues.. Gonna be an interesting budget speech, elections etc ANC will be forced to act if things continue
The unions will burn what's left, in protest. Smart lot those.
New Agoa deadline set as Obama announces SA suspension date
Matthew le Cordeur | Fin24*07:33 12/01/2016
Cape Town – South Africa has until March 15 to fully comply with the US import of poultry as well as other meat.
This is the new deadline that has been set for South Africa, after US President Barack Obama on Monday ordered the suspension of duty-free treatment to all Agoa-eligible goods in the agricultural sector from South Africa, effective on March 15.
The suspension will be revoked should South Africa comply with the requirements to ensure the imports are on SA shelves, sources said. It is in effect another 60-day deadline for South Africa, after it concluded negotiations over health issues last week. That could happen within a month, but does put added pressure on the country to comply.*
Obama was expected to make this announcement last Tuesday, after South Africa failed to meet a previous 60-day deadline set by him to finalise negotiations around US meat imports, failing which he said he would suspend certain duty free tariffs on goods that benefit from the African Growth Opportunity Act (Agoa).
The act, renewed by US lawmakers in June, eliminates import levies on more than 7 000 products ranging from textiles to manufactured items and benefits 39 sub-Saharan African nations.
“I have determined that South Africa is not meeting the requirements described in section 506A(a)(1) of the 1974 Act and that suspending the application of duty-free treatment to certain goods would be more effective in promoting compliance by South Africa with such requirements than terminating the designation of South Africa as a beneficiary sub-Saharan African country,” Obama said in a proclamation released on Monday.
“Accordingly, I have decided to suspend the application of duty-free treatment for all Agoa-eligible goods in the agricultural sector from South Africa for purposes of section 506A of the 1974 Act, effective on March 15, 2016.”
While Minister of Trade and Industry Rob Davies announced on January 7 that the countries had completed negotiations on the various meat imports, US Ambassador Michael Froman warned there were more hurdles for SA.
READ:*SA faces one more Agoa hurdle
“While we celebrate the progress we have made in resolving the outstanding technical issues, the true test of our success will be based on the ability of South African consumers to buy American product in local stores,” he said on January 8.
“We will be working to ensure that this final benchmark of entry of poultry is achieved so that South Africa continues to have the advantage of full Agoa benefits, including by working with the US and South African industries to expedite the shipment of eligible product as soon as possible. *
“Our goal is to complete this effort so that South Africa can maintain the full and continued enjoyment of Agoa’s benefits.”
READ:*Davies: Deal cracked to keep SA in Agoa
Sidwell Medupe, Department of Trade and Industry spokesperson, told Fin24 on Tuesday that the department will issue a statement later in the day, responding to this announcement.
Davies announced that after the negotiations over the salmonella issue were concluded on January 7, South Africa was immediately open to 65 000 tonnes of US poultry imports. The agreement means SA will rebate the US on any anti-dumping duties on the meat.
Asked how long it would take for shipments of US chicken to start reaching South Africa, Mike Brown, president of the US National Chicken Council, told*Business Daynewspaper that it was "just a matter of the South African government issuing import certificates for South African importers and the US government’s food safety and inspection service issuing paperwork to US exporters. I would hazard a guess that we could be in country within … 30 or so days by boat."
New 60-day deadline
The National Security Council in Washington told*SABC*on Tuesday that it was not suspending South Africa's Agoa benefits, but rather setting a new 60 day deadline for South Africa to comply.
"The office of the US trade representative says if the remaining benchmark - the entry of US poultry into South Africa under the agreed-upon conditions - is met before 15 March, the president will be able to consider a revocation of the proclamation before suspension takes effect," SABC reported.
Obama can also reinstate full Agoa benefits after a suspension takes place.
"It seems that although the US is happy that the technical barriers were resolved last week, they are not prepared to let up the pressure on South Africa, and the implicit threat of removing the benefits of Agoa remain."
"Mr Obama’s proclamation is likely the stick to go with this warning (to lift restrictions) – one we hope local authorities will heed to," NKC African Economics analyst Bart Stemmet said in a research note on Tuesday, Reuters reported.
Analysts expect a deal to be struck before the March deadline because Pretoria cannot afford the reputational and financial damage a removal from Agoa would have on an already struggling economy.
"We are confident that the suspension will ultimately be avoided," Stemmet added.
Matthew le Cordeur | Fin24*07:33 12/01/2016
Cape Town – South Africa has until March 15 to fully comply with the US import of poultry as well as other meat.
This is the new deadline that has been set for South Africa, after US President Barack Obama on Monday ordered the suspension of duty-free treatment to all Agoa-eligible goods in the agricultural sector from South Africa, effective on March 15.
The suspension will be revoked should South Africa comply with the requirements to ensure the imports are on SA shelves, sources said. It is in effect another 60-day deadline for South Africa, after it concluded negotiations over health issues last week. That could happen within a month, but does put added pressure on the country to comply.*
Obama was expected to make this announcement last Tuesday, after South Africa failed to meet a previous 60-day deadline set by him to finalise negotiations around US meat imports, failing which he said he would suspend certain duty free tariffs on goods that benefit from the African Growth Opportunity Act (Agoa).
The act, renewed by US lawmakers in June, eliminates import levies on more than 7 000 products ranging from textiles to manufactured items and benefits 39 sub-Saharan African nations.
“I have determined that South Africa is not meeting the requirements described in section 506A(a)(1) of the 1974 Act and that suspending the application of duty-free treatment to certain goods would be more effective in promoting compliance by South Africa with such requirements than terminating the designation of South Africa as a beneficiary sub-Saharan African country,” Obama said in a proclamation released on Monday.
“Accordingly, I have decided to suspend the application of duty-free treatment for all Agoa-eligible goods in the agricultural sector from South Africa for purposes of section 506A of the 1974 Act, effective on March 15, 2016.”
While Minister of Trade and Industry Rob Davies announced on January 7 that the countries had completed negotiations on the various meat imports, US Ambassador Michael Froman warned there were more hurdles for SA.
READ:*SA faces one more Agoa hurdle
“While we celebrate the progress we have made in resolving the outstanding technical issues, the true test of our success will be based on the ability of South African consumers to buy American product in local stores,” he said on January 8.
“We will be working to ensure that this final benchmark of entry of poultry is achieved so that South Africa continues to have the advantage of full Agoa benefits, including by working with the US and South African industries to expedite the shipment of eligible product as soon as possible. *
“Our goal is to complete this effort so that South Africa can maintain the full and continued enjoyment of Agoa’s benefits.”
READ:*Davies: Deal cracked to keep SA in Agoa
Sidwell Medupe, Department of Trade and Industry spokesperson, told Fin24 on Tuesday that the department will issue a statement later in the day, responding to this announcement.
Davies announced that after the negotiations over the salmonella issue were concluded on January 7, South Africa was immediately open to 65 000 tonnes of US poultry imports. The agreement means SA will rebate the US on any anti-dumping duties on the meat.
Asked how long it would take for shipments of US chicken to start reaching South Africa, Mike Brown, president of the US National Chicken Council, told*Business Daynewspaper that it was "just a matter of the South African government issuing import certificates for South African importers and the US government’s food safety and inspection service issuing paperwork to US exporters. I would hazard a guess that we could be in country within … 30 or so days by boat."
New 60-day deadline
The National Security Council in Washington told*SABC*on Tuesday that it was not suspending South Africa's Agoa benefits, but rather setting a new 60 day deadline for South Africa to comply.
"The office of the US trade representative says if the remaining benchmark - the entry of US poultry into South Africa under the agreed-upon conditions - is met before 15 March, the president will be able to consider a revocation of the proclamation before suspension takes effect," SABC reported.
Obama can also reinstate full Agoa benefits after a suspension takes place.
"It seems that although the US is happy that the technical barriers were resolved last week, they are not prepared to let up the pressure on South Africa, and the implicit threat of removing the benefits of Agoa remain."
"Mr Obama’s proclamation is likely the stick to go with this warning (to lift restrictions) – one we hope local authorities will heed to," NKC African Economics analyst Bart Stemmet said in a research note on Tuesday, Reuters reported.
Analysts expect a deal to be struck before the March deadline because Pretoria cannot afford the reputational and financial damage a removal from Agoa would have on an already struggling economy.
"We are confident that the suspension will ultimately be avoided," Stemmet added.
OrbitalDawn
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Ho3n3r
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It was 19.07 at the start of the week. And R18.47 on Friday at one stage.
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