The ZAR Exchange Rate Thread

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In these, er, volatile times, it's worth learning at least the very basics about exchange rates, at least as they apply to the proverbial Man In The Street (on the 79 bus).

If you are contemplating anything other than trivial transactions (whatever trivial is to you), I would avoid the generic forex sites people often consult (such as those mentioned above. They can only be an indication, and in volatile times or when large sums are potentially involved (or when quoting people for imported goods), make sure you get the right current rate!

What follows is the quickest and most potted of Forex Primers for TMITS.

There are four basic things to bear in mind:

1. Use the rates published by the bank through which you will transact; generally this is your commercial bank.

2. There is often quite a big price difference between selling a currency and buying a currency. Learn the difference.

3. The actual rate charged on a transaction is generally that obtaining at the time your transaction is 'booked'.

4. Banks charge commissions and other fees to perform forex transactions. These can be steep.

RATES QUOTED BY COMMERCIAL BANKS - Check your bank's website for published rates. These are often updated every 10-20 minutes.
ABSA
FNB
Standard Bank
Nedbank - requires account log-in
Investec Private Bank - requires account log-in

BUY RATE AND SELL RATE
Let's take the current rate quoted by FNB (I don't bank with them or use them):

Public Exchange Rates against the rand for amounts up to R50 000.
Published at 2008/10/08 01:01:00 PM

Rand per foreign currency unit

Description | Code | Bank Selling rate | Bank buying TT | Bank buying TC's | Bank buying notes
EURO CURRENCY | EUR | 12.9237 | 12.4036 | 12.3670 | 12.3910
BRITISH STERLING | GBP | 16.5824 | 15.9170 | 15.8575 | 15.9009
US DOLLARS | USD | 9.4532 | 9.1575 | 9.1015 | 9.1482

For the US Dollars line:

a) Bank Selling Rate = R9.4532. If you are selling Rand and buying USD then this is the rate your bank will charge (for transactions up to R50K - if more then you should ask for a better rate, ie less Rand to buy a dollar).
In other words, it will take R9.4532 to buy one US dollar. This is at least the rate your card will be charged if you buy something in dollars (excl commissions and other charges).
b) Bank buying TT = R9.1575. If someone wires you dollars from overseas (or you electronically send yourself money from an overseas dollar bank account) and want to exchange them to Rand, the bank will give you R9.1575 for every dollar sent (excl commissions and other charges).
c) Bank Buying TCs = R9.1015. If you have Travellers' Cheques in dollars, the bank will give you R9.1015 for every dollar you exchange into Rand (excl commissions and other charges).
d) Bank buying notes = R9.1482. If you walk in to your bank with a dollar note and want to exhange it for Rand, FNB will give you R9.1482 (excl other charges).

Because I am amost always converting Rand into dollars (buying stuff on the web, paying foreign suppliers in dollars, etc), I use the Rand Sell Rate. People who quote the Rand Buy Rate (such as the media) are looking at this from an exporter's perspective ... but the Man In The Street is mostly an importer.

(PS. I made this really simple so as to be accessible to non-finance people. I am well aware of the myriad complexities from a trader's vewipoint.)
 
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Transfer fees

The EU Bank charges 1.50 Euro for the transfer , SA Bank 5.00 Euro
That shows the difference in Banking fees. In the EU countries no
fees for transfering money. Welcome to SA Banking
 
Good post!

I usually use Xe.com for general trends and small purchases.

PayPal are also able to charge in SA Rands directly, if you elect to
set this option, it gives you the ZAR amount your card will be charged,
or you can let them charge you USD (et al).
 
FNB sells USD at: 9.3518
Published at 2008/10/08 02:02:00 PM

ABSA sells USD at: 9.2639
Last Updated: 8 October 2008 2:09:21 PM

Of course it could just be the currency dipping over 7 min....
 
FNB's rates are usually better than ABSA's but their transaction charges are a bit worse for big amounts. Naturally it also depends if you only have an ABSA or an FNB account.
 
$ = R 9.27
£ = R 16.19
€ = R 12.63
Oil = $ 80.98
Gold = $ 912.5
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08 Oct 2008 12:42:02


Carnage.
 
eishhhhhh

Less South Africans going to the USA for a white Christmas :(

Rand-Dollar 9.3278 4.81%
Rand-Euro 12.7649 4.92%
Rand-Pound 16.3239 4.97%

thank god I've already bought my forex for my white Christmas (in Norway)
 
If you want to send money to SA, you should find the "Bank Buying T/Transfers" value for that bank. For ABSA, it is: http://www.absa.co.za/absacoza/cont...I_ID=98c5f67d5bcf1010VgnVCM100000ce17040aRCRD
(check out the first column).

Then you add the commission / fee charges for your foreign bank, plus the SA bank, and you know how much will arrive in SA. This differs for all banks, so you have to consult your bank. I don't know anything about the "Interbank rate +/- 1%" mentioned above.

So the exchange rate referred to pretty much means what you want to do with the money.

FNB's rates are usually better than ABSA's but their transaction charges are a bit worse for big amounts. Naturally it also depends if you only have an ABSA or an FNB account.

Wrong!
http://www.easyexchange.co.uk/ will give you the best rate which is converted before it leaves the UK and will appear in your SA account as a regular internet transaction without their commission.
EasyExchange will display the rate you'll get at the time you initiate the transaction (£1 = R15.60 today), unlike other banks that merely promise to get you the best for the day.
 
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What about Xe.com

They offer a currency exchange service at v. discounted rates.

of course, with some extra fees (only for South Africa, no-one else):

Fees Routing to South Africa - Wires in South African Rand (ZAR) to South Africa must be sent through an intermediary bank. This third party intermediary charges their own fee outside of our control. This fee varies, but in our experience, it is usually about 100 ZAR (approximately USD $17 / EUR €13). We therefore advise that when booking trades into ZAR, you buy an extra 100 ZAR to cover for the intermediary fee. For example, if you wanted to buy 50,000 ZAR, you should actually book a trade to buy 50,100.00 ZAR.
 
What about Xe.com

They offer a currency exchange service at v. discounted rates.

of course, with some extra fees (only for South Africa, no-one else):

Looks more complicated and costly than EasyExchange.
 
What's the short term predictions?
I'm about to move few £ into my SA bank account and just wondering if waiting a couple of days would be best.
 
What's the short term predictions?
I'm about to move few £ into my SA bank account and just wondering if waiting a couple of days would be best.
Given the current levels and the way it's moved this morning, it's likely to recover a bit more over the next few days - will wait and see what Mboweni does this afternoon (he'll probably leave rates unchanged) and what the US markets do the rest of the week.
 
What's the short term predictions?
I'm about to move few £ into my SA bank account and just wondering if waiting a couple of days would be best.

You should have moved this yesterday. It was more than R16/Pound at some point.
 
You should have moved this yesterday. It was more than R16/Pound at some point.

It is tricky to move money around when currencies are so volatile, because it takes the institution (bank, etc.) a few hours to 48 hours to get their ass in gear and effect the transaction; by that time the exchange rate may well have moved against your favour again.

I sit with the same problem. I have wads of Euros to transact to Rands, but with the abovementioned delay, whatever exchange rate I bargain on now, may be different in a matter of hours.
 
I sit with the same problem. I have wads of Euros to transact to Rands, but with the abovementioned delay, whatever exchange rate I bargain on now, may be different in a matter of hours.
I'll convert for you - you put your wads of Euros in my German a/c, I'll put wads of rands in your SA a/c :D
 
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