Think CAR!!!!!

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I'm sorry for this minor rant, but I am sick and tired of these biker fools that think the roads belong to them. They will always go off at people driving like a poephol, but they are actually in the wrong. If you are driving at night (in traffic) and you need to change lanes. You do not stare at your side mirror to see how fast the fool is coming at you in peak traffic, you see if there is a gap and then you move over. Then this fool on his bike decides to come out from behind another car and/or flying inbetween the traffic and nearly drives into you. Now I know some people really drive badly and do not take bikers into concideration at all!! But c'mon man, you need to think about the driving style of motorists as well! I think we need to start a "Think Car!!" sticker club, and stick it on their bikes too...

What are your thoughts on biker's road manners in general??
 
There is this 'medic' I know that I see at CME's - that's not the story, the real story that is whenever I see him, he is forever talking about how he 'kicks off mirrors of cars' who drive bad (I assume he means, cars that 'almost' knock him over)

I've seen him what... 5 times and each time he goes on and on about how he kicked off another mirror on route to this or to that.

If it's true... he must really be a kak biker (riding style) or he is talking kak (I'll go with this)

Suffice to say, I told him one day that if he did that to me, I'll chase him down and run him over - his answer was "HAHAHAHAHA! You'll never catch me!"
 
Bikers are as bad as taxi drivers. Nearly ALL of them.

100% agreed, they think the road belongs to em and I think its enough. You always have to be on the lookout for the next fool coming speeding down between the cars in traffic. The other night on the N1 highway 2 bikers were driving like Hell was chasing them. Weaving through the cars and then stopping next to the highway for a chat. A minute later you'll see them coming flying up your rear at the speed of white light and then weaving through traffic again... Damn idiots!!!
 
This argument has been had many times before. Thread after thread has been dedicated to the Car vs Bike debate. It's an issue that will never be resolved.

As a biker I will always stand by the bikers. Car drivers will always stand by the car drivers. We'll always have opposing points of view on the matter. Bikers have to "Think Car" and "Think Truck" and "Think Taxi" and "Think Bike" all the time because we are at most risk when riding on the road. However, cars should not only "Think Bike" but also "Think Car" and "Think Truck" and "Think Taxi" all the time too. We should all be thinking about each other all the time.

So please, don't open another can of worms here. It's a pointless fight.
Lane Splitting is legal, whether you like it or not.
 
Its legal, but do not moan if you hit into the back of my hard, solid car then....!!!
 
Love the title.... and I have been saying it for a while now.

When YOU are the one that is most likely to be killed in an accident it should be YOU driving more carefully and not zipping through cars at twice the speed limit! :mad:
 
Ps very few bikers I see cares if it is a solid line or not. Lane splitting / sharing may be legal but crossing a solid white line is not.
 
This argument has been had many times before. Thread after thread has been dedicated to the Car vs Bike debate. It's an issue that will never be resolved.

As a biker I will always stand by the bikers. Car drivers will always stand by the car drivers. We'll always have opposing points of view on the matter. Bikers have to "Think Car" and "Think Truck" and "Think Taxi" and "Think Bike" all the time because we are at most risk when riding on the road. However, cars should not only "Think Bike" but also "Think Car" and "Think Truck" and "Think Taxi" all the time too. We should all be thinking about each other all the time.

So please, don't open another can of worms here. It's a pointless fight.
Lane Splitting is legal, whether you like it or not.

The issues you raised are valid but I believe the main problem as you have pointed out is the lane splitting. Bikes are normally travelling at great speed and zipping between cars makes them difficult to spot when changing lanes. This of course creates the impression that cars are trying to cut them off and are not paying attention to bikes which isn't always the case.
 
The issues you raised are valid but I believe the main problem as you have pointed out is the lane splitting. Bikes are normally travelling at great speed and zipping between cars makes them difficult to spot when changing lanes. This of course creates the impression that cars are trying to cut them off and are not paying attention to bikes which isn't always the case.

And there you just hit the nail on it's head. They think you are Superman with laser vision that can spot him doing 200km/h a mile away... And then before you can change lanes he is right next to you..
 
what really pis$es me off is a biker taking on the left when i am in the very left lane or driving without lights during day (which is illegal)

I used to drive a bike, now i only have a car, i always lookout for bikes and will move out the way if need be but agree you get some aholes
 
Well, I lanesplit in a responsible manner. I don't exceed 30 km/h faster than the cars are moving, I have an orange headlight protector and a really loud pipe on my commuting bike. Even so, I've been knocked over twice so far by cars turning into me when I am next to them. No indication that they are going to change lanes and as far as I was aware, no space for them to fit, which indicates that they wanted to muscle their way into a non-existent gap. I must admit that cars often "cut me off" but that's usually not a problem if the driver had his indicator on for at least a second or two before turning. I see what they're planning and slow down to let them complete their lane change. No problem! The things I have a problem with are the people who don't indicate or indicate while they're turning and poppies on their phones, sms'ing or talking while driving. They may not realize how badly they're weaving across the road but I do and it's really difficult to get past them because you don't know what they're going to do next.

I also drive my car on the odd occasion, so I don't really have an Us-vs.-Them mentality. There are a lot of idiots on the road, regardless of their mode of transport.
 
Ps very few bikers I see cares if it is a solid line or not. Lane splitting / sharing may be legal but crossing a solid white line is not.

I'm not going to argue with anybody who points out that doing something illegal is, in fact, illegal.
Going over the speed limit = illegal. Crossing a solid white line = illegal. Doing this in a car instead of on a bike = just as illegal.

When weaving between rows of cars the rule of thumb is to not go more than 30kmph faster than the speed of the moving traffic, and not more than 40kmph when weaving through stationary traffic. This is an unofficial word-of-mouth feeling amongst most bikers I know, not a hard-and-fast rule though, specifically because cars don't always look for us before changing lanes, or they did look and didn't see us. At night our one little moving headlight is sometimes hard to differentiate from the stationary headlights of the cars behind you. I also drive a car on occasion - I know how suddenly we seem to materialise behind or next to you.

If someone has changed lanes and is blocking the lane and it's genuinely not their fault, I don't have an issue with it. I'll wait, or I'll find another way around you.
However, many drivers are unaware that lane splitting is legal and take it upon themselves to "teach" us bikers a lesson by purposely blocking our way or refusing to move over in the lane so that we can pass inside the lane. This is also illegal.

As to the solid line - I will openly admit that I often cross the solid in order to pass cars. I am forced to do this because most of the cars do not keep to the left side of their lane and make it impossible for me to split past them inside the lane line. If I had to wait for every single vehicle in the queue to individually notice me and move over there would be no point to riding a bike in the first place. It would take forever. That being said - I will always try to keep as close to or on top of the white line as possible.

I would like to point out that bikers can be *******s. I drive carefully because I have a long distance to do every day and I'd like to stay alive. I have never smashed a mirror or kicked a car - this actually takes a fair amount of skill. A mirror has to be smashed a certain way using a certain part of your hand with a certain amount of force, or all it will result in is a broken hand or wrist for the biker.

On behalf of bikers everywhere, I would love to apologise to cars for the actions of the few bikers who destroy the reputation of the many of us who drive safely and respectfully.
 
I'm sorry for this minor rant, but I am sick and tired of these biker fools that think the roads belong to them. They will always go off at people driving like a poephol, but they are actually in the wrong. If you are driving at night (in traffic) and you need to change lanes. You do not stare at your side mirror to see how fast the fool is coming at you in peak traffic, you see if there is a gap and then you move over. Then this fool on his bike decides to come out from behind another car and/or flying inbetween the traffic and nearly drives into you. Now I know some people really drive badly and do not take bikers into concideration at all!! But c'mon man, you need to think about the driving style of motorists as well! I think we need to start a "Think Car!!" sticker club, and stick it on their bikes too...

What are your thoughts on biker's road manners in general??

This is a very valid point.

However, the problem is that Bikers do watch for cars, car drivers are the ones when they cause an accident with a biker to say "I didn't see him" The Biker saw him but it was too late to do anything about it since a bike isn't as easy to stop as a car. That being said, you will always get extremes of everything and that includes Biker and car drivers. Please don't be so quick to label the majority of bikers ;)
 
As a motorcyclist I also want to give my input.
I commute everyday between Centurion and Midrand.
I do not speed and only when cars go less than 80km/h do I even concider lanesplitting and try to not go more than 20km/h faster than the cars.
I have also never broken a cars mirror because I felt that they were being retards.

What does happen more often than not is a car jumping from one lane to the next without indicating or barely indicating.
This is dangerous for bikes as well as cars.

Indicators are supposed to be used to indicate your intentions not your actions.

That is all.
 
I'm not going to argue with anybody who points out that doing something illegal is, in fact, illegal.
Going over the speed limit = illegal. Crossing a solid white line = illegal. Doing this in a car instead of on a bike = just as illegal.

When weaving between rows of cars the rule of thumb is to not go more than 30kmph faster than the speed of the moving traffic, and not more than 40kmph when weaving through stationary traffic. This is an unofficial word-of-mouth feeling amongst most bikers I know, not a hard-and-fast rule though, specifically because cars don't always look for us before changing lanes, or they did look and didn't see us. At night our one little moving headlight is sometimes hard to differentiate from the stationary headlights of the cars behind you. I also drive a car on occasion - I know how suddenly we seem to materialise behind or next to you.

If someone has changed lanes and is blocking the lane and it's genuinely not their fault, I don't have an issue with it. I'll wait, or I'll find another way around you.
However, many drivers are unaware that lane splitting is legal and take it upon themselves to "teach" us bikers a lesson by purposely blocking our way or refusing to move over in the lane so that we can pass inside the lane. This is also illegal.

As to the solid line - I will openly admit that I often cross the solid in order to pass cars. I am forced to do this because most of the cars do not keep to the left side of their lane and make it impossible for me to split past them inside the lane line. If I had to wait for every single vehicle in the queue to individually notice me and move over there would be no point to riding a bike in the first place. It would take forever. That being said - I will always try to keep as close to or on top of the white line as possible.

I would like to point out that bikers can be *******s. I drive carefully because I have a long distance to do every day and I'd like to stay alive. I have never smashed a mirror or kicked a car - this actually takes a fair amount of skill. A mirror has to be smashed a certain way using a certain part of your hand with a certain amount of force, or all it will result in is a broken hand or wrist for the biker.

On behalf of bikers everywhere, I would love to apologise to cars for the actions of the few bikers who destroy the reputation of the many of us who drive safely and respectfully.

Yes drivers of both bikes and cars can be idiots.

Ps the bold part I hope is not when I am doing 65km/h in a 60 zone as that would make you drive +- 95km/h in a 60 zone :p

If the bikers could just realize that in peak hour traffic when motorists see a micro gap they will 50% of the time indicate for 1sec and then go for the gap. Having to react to a "harder to see" bike is a problem.

Now we can debate about this and that for ages, so let us say it is 50% the motorist's charge and 50% the bikers... who will be hospitalised if not killed when something goes wrong and an accident does happen?

So for all the bikers out there it is just because we don't want to see you with broken pelvis bones that we remind you you are the smallest thing on the road. ;) :D
 
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