Three down, Telkom to go: MWEB peering progress

[rpm]

Three down, one to go: MWEB peering progress

MWEB recently severed all of its paid transit links, forcing all operators to peer directly with them or route their traffic internationally. The strategy has paid off.

 

[bekdik]

And now for a financial benefit to the end user?

 

[VioAdmin]

And now for a financial benefit to the end user?

+1, we better see some price drops within the next few weeks!

 

[TwoCents1000]

+1, we better see some price drops within the next few weeks!

Don't hold your breath. There were never going to be price decreases as a direct result of " free peering". MWEB did a great selling job to convince people they're doing all of this for the "benefit" of SA consumers.

It's good to see the big boys are now peering locally again (i.e. they're just back where they were before MWEB's actions), but what about all the smaller ISP's who cannot afford to peer directly with MWEB and used to peer via SAIX? Are their subscribers condemned to perpetual cr@p latencies?

 

[Greylor]

Telkom who accused MWEB of not consulting them on the process and making a decision which “is not in the spirit of the Internet community”.

Telkom complaining about someone not doing something in the spirit of the internet community?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[burn]

Good news for MWeb users on this forum

 

[DOOMIE61]

I Wish everyone would just peer already!!!

Gaming is useless now..

 

[Peon]

Hmm, what an interesting situation we have. telkuk will be left alone and everyone else will be 'peered' They will have no choice but to negotiate with the terrorist rebels.......Lol, greylor makes a good point.

 

[smokey]

Don't hold your breath. There were never going to be price decreases as a direct result of " free peering". MWEB did a great selling job to convince people they're doing all of this for the "benefit" of SA consumers.

It's good to see the big boys are now peering locally again (i.e. they're just back where they were before MWEB's actions), but what about all the smaller ISP's who cannot afford to peer directly with MWEB and used to peer via SAIX? Are their subscribers condemned to perpetual cr@p latencies?

MWEB peers openly and freely through JINX and CINX afaik, so I dunno what all the hate is about... the most this will do however is open up the local hosting market and we should see a lot more innovation coming through in the next few years as a direct result of this. MWEB has pulled off a major coup and and all kudos to them.

 

[VioAdmin]

Don't hold your breath. There were never going to be price decreases as a direct result of " free peering". MWEB did a great selling job to convince people they're doing all of this for the "benefit" of SA consumers.

It's good to see the big boys are now peering locally again (i.e. they're just back where they were before MWEB's actions), but what about all the smaller ISP's who cannot afford to peer directly with MWEB and used to peer via SAIX? Are their subscribers condemned to perpetual cr@p latencies?

You are probably right on. This was all just a marketing ploy. I was hoping Mweb would surprise the SA consumers with some good news but at the end of the day, all they are doing is just saving money for themselves. Damn. I am sure they won't even reply to this thread. We are really back to square one. Fuk.

 

[TwoCents1000]

MWEB peers openly and freely through JINX and CINX afaik, so I dunno what all the hate is about... the most this will do however is open up the local hosting market and we should see a lot more innovation coming through in the next few years as a direct result of this. MWEB has pulled off a major coup and and all kudos to them.

Why are so many people falling for this "free" sales pitch?

What would it cost a small ISP, with say 20 000 subscribers across the country, to peer with MWEB at JINX and CINX?

 

[Shayd]

Why are so many people falling for this "free" sales pitch?

What would it cost a small ISP, with say 20 000 subscribers across the country, to peer with MWEB at JINX and CINX?

Are you arguing that MWEB should pay for them to trench fibre to JINX/CINX? All they said was come to JINX/CINX and we will peer for free. No network with only 20000 clients would have the financial muscle to purchase significant capacity on SEACOM and so they would be bloody expensive in comparison to MWEB etc. Being a South African Tier 1 requires a large customer base and is better done by large companies who have economies of scale. As long as there are enough of them to ensure good competition everything will be great.

This move was simply to reduce one of the major stumbling blocks to greater internet penetration in this country. Surprise surprise Telkom doesn't like it. Well you are all alone now buddy, nobody cares about you anymore. When LLU and 4G finally arrives you might as well sell up and move on.

 

[burn]

Now... I put down R500 that Telkom doesn't give a **** or more likely, doesn't comprehend the notion of free peering

 

[Gatecrasher]

You are probably right on. This was all just a marketing ploy. I was hoping Mweb would surprise the SA consumers with some good news but at the end of the day, all they are doing is just saving money for themselves. Damn. I am sure they won't even reply to this thread. We are really back to square one. Fuk.

So reducing the cost of local transit is a bad thing? It is the aim of every business to reduce the cost of doing business. Ultimately, it is the only way that lower prices and better value-for-money can be passed onto the consumer. I don't expect to see imminent price reductions from Mweb, but I do expect to see greater "sustainability" and a product with improved provisioning.

When I look at the total cost of my ADSL uncapped broadband, about 80% of the benefit I get comes from MWeb, but about 80% of the money I pay goes to directly or indirectly to the Telkom monopoly, via line rental, ADSL rental and IP Connect. There used to be a fourth cost going to Telkom, called local transit. Thankfully that is a thing of the past. Now it is time to focus on the other three. If there is going to be any meaningful reduction in what I pay each month, that is where it will come from.

 

[Cltgra005]

Wait a minute. Now that everyone is peering with Mweb except Telkom, does this mean nobody is paying Telkom for transit, or are they still paying telkom like before? If it's the former case, then it will only get more expensive for Telkom to simply ignore this peering war.

 

[mcryan]

And now for a financial benefit to the end user?

Absolutely. If their users are having to go on this big via, they better end up seeing some improvement as a result.

 

[ToSsMaStR]

Well done to mweb, they have been great!

 

[fragtion]

Go MWEB !

 

[Bosvark@]

Telkom complaining about someone not doing something in the spirit of the internet community?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

B'Cause Telkom a bunch of price fixers and collousionists imo

 

[Bosvark@]

what about WA - they somehow using Telkom. tracert from Durban goes internationally.