I would say the government has less interest, capabilities and will to decrease their published crime stats than the insurance sector has to increase their crime stats.
I especially grinned at the last paragraph:
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I would say the government has less interest, capabilities and will to decrease their published crime stats than the insurance sector has to increase their crime stats.
I especially grinned at the last paragraph:
I would say the government has less interest, capabilities and will to decrease their published crime stats than the insurance sector has to increase their crime stats.
You must be right. Its not like it would reflect on their running of the country or their management of crime
You must be right. Its not like it would reflect on their running of the country or their management of crime
Do you really believe the government care what others (especially the West) think about how they run their country?
West? What do they have to do with anything?
I am talking about local peoples perception about how the country is run etc etc.
The ANC doesn't care about that, hence they will not bother spending 5 minutes on changing any stats.
DigitalSoldier
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In 2001 the ID or some other political party had to get a court order to get the government to release crime stats.
This year the DA urged the government to release crime stats only to be told by the President that stats will be released a bit later.
And from what I understand the ANCgovernment is really trying to make South Africa a big tourist hub so why won't they fix the stats.
Remember the Soccer World Cup. I have also heard from other South African expats about all the tourismSA adverts on European tv.
I call BS.
I would say that the delay with the stats in 2001 were due to the incompetance in the government and them taking so long to finish it.
As for their efforts on promoting SA tourisms - BS. I would say they are doing nothing. The promotions and actual driving forces for SA tourism comes from the commercial tourism sector itself. Government only pretends to be fully supportive. But really, they are doing jack ****.
If it takes them 5 minutes then they might actually accomplish it in their work day
And of course they care. Perception is everything.
And i call BS on your BS! What digitalsoldier said was correct.
FAIL.
Would you like to back that up with facts? Links please? Articles? Then i want some written affidavits from people that you need to link me to as well
Thanks
Velenoso
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I'm one of those people who are actually swimming upstream here. I emigrated (well sort of) to South Africa. 
So I've actually emigrated twice, once from Croatia (former Yugoslavia - I lived in Italy for a few years as well) to the United States as a boy, and then to South Africa. I haven't exactly moved here, I tend to spend about half my time here and half my time in the US.
In my experience emigrating can be very fulfilling if you're prepared to work hard on it and you're not too set in your ways.
One thing I've learned about living in Africa is, you can not attempt to live your life trying to sort all your issues out by the book. You need contacts to survive (home affairs, banks, etc, etc.). Once you have those, its easy. South Africa (and Africa as a whole) is one of the best places in the world to run a business. Laws are not too strict (and not properly enforced) and there is an absolute fortune to be made here.
I guess if you're a white guy and want to be an employee, then it isn't the best of places to be, and you should consider elsewhere. Just do not be surprised when things aren't the way you expect it. For example, I wouldn't reccomend New York to most South Africans, you guys are used to friendly helpful people. In NY, you're lucky if you get a friendly helpful 'fsuck you' from someone. There, everyone ignore each other and go about their business. It's great for someone like myself, I love the vibe and the big city life. So, be prepared to give up your 'braais' and outdoor activities you so love here.
So, yeah, South Africa has its downsides, but it's most certainly not all bad. I love it when I'm down here. You guys should think twice before leaving (or at least try and keep a house/apartment here)...
So I've actually emigrated twice, once from Croatia (former Yugoslavia - I lived in Italy for a few years as well) to the United States as a boy, and then to South Africa. I haven't exactly moved here, I tend to spend about half my time here and half my time in the US.
In my experience emigrating can be very fulfilling if you're prepared to work hard on it and you're not too set in your ways.
One thing I've learned about living in Africa is, you can not attempt to live your life trying to sort all your issues out by the book. You need contacts to survive (home affairs, banks, etc, etc.). Once you have those, its easy. South Africa (and Africa as a whole) is one of the best places in the world to run a business. Laws are not too strict (and not properly enforced) and there is an absolute fortune to be made here.
I guess if you're a white guy and want to be an employee, then it isn't the best of places to be, and you should consider elsewhere. Just do not be surprised when things aren't the way you expect it. For example, I wouldn't reccomend New York to most South Africans, you guys are used to friendly helpful people. In NY, you're lucky if you get a friendly helpful 'fsuck you' from someone. There, everyone ignore each other and go about their business. It's great for someone like myself, I love the vibe and the big city life. So, be prepared to give up your 'braais' and outdoor activities you so love here.
So, yeah, South Africa has its downsides, but it's most certainly not all bad. I love it when I'm down here. You guys should think twice before leaving (or at least try and keep a house/apartment here)...
LoneGunman
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I've always found that New York and its people are very friendly and helpful - and as soon as they hear a 'non-US' accent, are always willing to help with directions or whatever.
Of course, if you're trying to ask some business person running late for a meeting, for help - obviously you're not going to get anywhere.
The biggest sell for 'overseas' versus 'staying behind high walls and pretending its normal' - is - there's little to no danger of violence or crime - in comparison to the charnel house that SA has become.
In addition, you dont have to sit and play 'self delusion' overseas - you can get on with making a real life for yourself, without high walls, barbed wire, and fear.
Unless of course you're too lacking in confidence or courage to make a real life in a new country - and prefer to hide out behind guarded walls and live out a life as a domestic prisoner, while telling yourself how great this prison is.
Of course, if you're trying to ask some business person running late for a meeting, for help - obviously you're not going to get anywhere.
The biggest sell for 'overseas' versus 'staying behind high walls and pretending its normal' - is - there's little to no danger of violence or crime - in comparison to the charnel house that SA has become.
In addition, you dont have to sit and play 'self delusion' overseas - you can get on with making a real life for yourself, without high walls, barbed wire, and fear.
Unless of course you're too lacking in confidence or courage to make a real life in a new country - and prefer to hide out behind guarded walls and live out a life as a domestic prisoner, while telling yourself how great this prison is.
Relating to NZ, I found this just now:
From: http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1791_2391986
From: http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1791_2391986
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I'm one of those people who are actually swimming upstream here. I emigrated (well sort of) to South Africa.
So I've actually emigrated twice, once from Croatia (former Yugoslavia - I lived in Italy for a few years as well) to the United States as a boy, and then to South Africa. I haven't exactly moved here, I tend to spend about half my time here and half my time in the US.
In my experience emigrating can be very fulfilling if you're prepared to work hard on it and you're not too set in your ways.
One thing I've learned about living in Africa is, you can not attempt to live your life trying to sort all your issues out by the book. You need contacts to survive (home affairs, banks, etc, etc.). Once you have those, its easy. South Africa (and Africa as a whole) is one of the best places in the world to run a business. Laws are not too strict (and not properly enforced) and there is an absolute fortune to be made here.
I guess if you're a white guy and want to be an employee, then it isn't the best of places to be, and you should consider elsewhere. Just do not be surprised when things aren't the way you expect it. For example, I wouldn't reccomend New York to most South Africans, you guys are used to friendly helpful people. In NY, you're lucky if you get a friendly helpful 'fsuck you' from someone. There, everyone ignore each other and go about their business. It's great for someone like myself, I love the vibe and the big city life. So, be prepared to give up your 'braais' and outdoor activities you so love here.
So, yeah, South Africa has its downsides, but it's most certainly not all bad. I love it when I'm down here. You guys should think twice before leaving (or at least try and keep a house/apartment here)...
Excellent! Well, yes well said!
I highligted some parts of your reply, which correspond to my sentiments I've had about emmigration vs staying in SA, all along.
The difficult things in SA are much easier to apply workarounds for, or simply ignore, than the difficult things you'll encounter overseas.
You need to be a leader, not a follower; a person of strong character and will power, a go-getter, to survive in modern day South Africa. SA is not for sissies. Or dweep employees who wake up in the morning, go to their 8-5 jobs and sit there and complain on internet forums about this and that, will always have things hard in SA. You need to solve things for yourself in SA; no-one else will solve it for you. I still think that is very possible (albeit hard work) in SA. Overseas it will be even much tougher because mainly you are unfamiliar with how things work overseas, and no matter how long you stay overseas, you will never be so familiar with processes and the benefit that you enjoy from these levels of familiarity, than you would in SA.
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You're making it out that the whole SA, each and every street and house, is a prison with high walls, electric fences, alarms and gates. This is not the case.
And that same amount of courage and will-power that you refer to that can be applied to make things a success for yourself overseas, can be applied in SA. Maybe differently, but definately with more familiarity, which will definately add to your chances of success.
People overseas are extremely cold and superficial. Even though initial impressions seem to indicate otherwise... don't be fooled. 100% of them are like that. In SA, there are cold-blooded criminals, but they definately do not constitute 100% of the population.
alloytoo
Honorary Master
Relating to NZ, I found this just now:
From: http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1791_2391986
Comments in the Herald seemed more balanced.
Of course, what would the Kiwi's know about their own economy.
Of course I could move to a country with lower unemployment......but I don't speak Korean.
lol @ your comment about overseas people being "cold and superficial".I have made great friends in europe and from all over the world, my wife is even spanish!
I think anybody who would meet you though would be cold and want nothing to do with you.
alloytoo
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