Too white to study medicine

I think the dual standards for entry are despicable. For something as key as healthcare, you don't seek to equalise by dragging one group down - focus should be on uplifting other groups. Not to mention that skewed entry criteria merely set all those favoured by lower standards up for one moer of a fail when they are unable to maintain the standards required for the degree - so you end up with a whole bunch of dropouts with student loans to pay and no meaningful qualification to fall back on. How exactly does this help ANYONE?
 
wrathex said:
My son was accepted at UFS for medicine two weeks ago, he applied at all the universities hoping to get into Stellies, but he didn't. - perhaps he was accepted at UFS because his dad(eng), uncle (eng) niece(med) and two aunts(med) all studied there.

We are over the moon that he was accepted and yesterday he asked me to drive up to Bloem with him in January (I will fly back), so I look very forward to a little roadtrip with my son.

No matter what obstacles you put into our path, we will continue our pace towards progression and civilisation - it is our culture.
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Congrats
 
Ha, when I applied for a bursary at WITS I was told straight out that its only for blacks now.
 
R13... said:
I am not suggesting you need 6* to get in. I am just making an example, point being black kids are still required to make minimum entry requirements but of course they do get preference. That said, the top matric pupils in the country ought to be able to get into any varsity in the country. I know that most of the top varsities offer scholarships to such students whether they be black or white and allow them the choice of anything they want to study.
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They should be able to get in, but they do not. Instead spots are reserved for sub-par students because they are black, and based on a lower requirement. Even with said lower requirement, they are often still unable to fill the reserved slots while still pointing white students who easily satisfy the requirements, away. This is not fair and not right and I think you'll agree with that.

Look, I understand that certain students will have massive disadvantages due to their schooling and should these guys be able to satisfy the requirements, I'm all for them studying, but by lowering the standards, they're shooting themselves in the foot. The medical schools are very against dropping the standards of their teaching and the majority of people already fail out. If you lower your entrance requirements, you're just setting people up for failure and massive financial strain, which, if they're from a poorer background, they simply cannot afford.

Besides that, a good portion of black students at UFS, for example, went to Grey College along with a bunch of the white students. They're hardly poor. Should these guys not be held to the same standards as all pupils who received the same schooling?
 
warchylde said:
Guys I think we should all just accept the inevitable. We are not welcome in our own country. We have two choices. Move or just let the status quo be, the third option namely creating a private institution that takes people out of merit and trains them is simply too expensive. Plus the gov would most likely brand it as racism and place a moratorium on hiring anyone that graduated there.

There is no longer place for us here. Claiming the oposite is just denialism...

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Good point.
 
R13... said:
I suppose when you are on the "victim" side as most of you seem to be...
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The "victim" side? Oh, you mean the victims of racial discrimination? Oh, that "victim" side.
 
Flanders said:
The "victim" side? Oh, you mean the victims of racial discrimination? Oh, that "victim" side.
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Call it what you like, but you can't get away from this country's unpleasant history & suggesting "it's been 17 years" isn't going to get you anywhere. Look like I said, the government is very culpable as they are responsible for the education mess thanks to the alliance nonsense and the every changing & failing school curriculum. At least the apartheid system albeit be through fear had a system which worked. Some people took too many freedoms post '94
 
R13... said:
Call it what you like, but you can't get away from this country's unpleasant history & suggesting "it's been 17 years" isn't going to get you anywhere. Look like I said, the government is very culpable as they are responsible for the education mess thanks to the alliance nonsense and the every changing & failing school curriculum. At least the apartheid system albeit be through fear had a system which worked. Some people took too many freedoms post '94
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Fair enough...you said it. Thing is though, the seventeen year factor really should be taken into consideration. The post-apartheid timespan aint getting any smaller and the excuses are running thinner by the day.
 
Nicodeamus said:
She should just have stuck with saying that she was coloured, isn't black/coloured/white suppose to be a self-identifying term? Or do we have a pencil test..
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Or draw in an extra block and tick it as "Presently disadvantaged". :rolleyes:
 
Had I know what the future was like back then, then I (and a lot of others) would not have voted 'yes'...

Hindsight...
 
The_Librarian said:
Had I know what the future was like back then, then I (and a lot of others) would not have voted 'yes'...

Hindsight...
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Wouldn't have mattered. Most people understood there'd be a need for some sort of redress system for the sake of stability.
 
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The requirements are still very high. A black kid might get 6 distinctions, but is trumped by the 10 distinctions white kid from a better school, simply because the other had access to better education, not that they have better brains.
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Only 6 distinctions count when entering varsity, the other only gives you discount.
 
R13... said:
Wouldn't have mattered. Most people understood there'd be a need for some sort of redress system for the sake of stability.
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Redress sure.
Rampant corruption, cronyism, returns to apartheid-style media laws, dragging standards down rather than uplifting, tenderpreneurs etc etc etc - no thanks.

There are kids running around at a very upmarket private school in Bryanston right now demanding special treatment because they are "previously disadvantaged". Crap. These kids have been at the school exactly as long as the white kids have been there... their parents can afford it... How exactly are they disadvantaged?
 
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What's the problem here :confused:

This is POSITIVE discrimination. A pillar of a progressive society......
 
R13... said:
Call it what you like, but you can't get away from this country's unpleasant history & suggesting "it's been 17 years" isn't going to get you anywhere.
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So its okay then? Lets destroy higher education in the name of "transformation".

Tell me, what does transformation in higher education really get you? Or your average poverty stricken black man?

I'll tell you what it gets you. Highly trained and skilled white people leave the country in droves, taking their tax money with them, meaning there is no longer as much tax money to uplift the country. It makes no difference to your average black man - the schools are so terrible that even if he gets to varsity, he wont be prepared and will fail.

And what makes it okay to destroy the dreams of one person for this notion of transformation?
 
Messugga said:
Look, I understand that certain students will have massive disadvantages due to their schooling and should these guys be able to satisfy the requirements, I'm all for them studying, but by lowering the standards, they're shooting themselves in the foot. The medical schools are very against dropping the standards of their teaching and the majority of people already fail out. If you lower your entrance requirements, you're just setting people up for failure and massive financial strain, which, if they're from a poorer background, they simply cannot afford.
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this ^ Have a friend who worked at both WITS and UJ and the story was consistent. They have lowered the entrance requirements but not the standard of education to such an extent that almost half of the first years fail. The government subsidises every student and these dropping outs are costing them a fortune.

Messugga said:
Besides that, a good portion of black students at UFS, for example, went to Grey College along with a bunch of the white students. They're hardly poor. Should these guys not be held to the same standards as all pupils who received the same schooling?
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this +1000.
 
Ancalagon said:
So its okay then? Lets destroy higher education in the name of "transformation".

Tell me, what does transformation in higher education really get you? Or your average poverty stricken black man?

I'll tell you what it gets you. Highly trained and skilled white people leave the country in droves, taking their tax money with them, meaning there is no longer as much tax money to uplift the country. It makes no difference to your average black man - the schools are so terrible that even if he gets to varsity, he wont be prepared and will fail.

And what makes it okay to destroy the dreams of one person for this notion of transformation?
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This is why BEE is such a short sighted solution.

Think about it, after 94, you had a situation in the country where your financial base as well as your skill base was white and the ratio's had to be balanced. Fair enough. But what they did was put unskilled people in charge to fix the mess rather than drawing on that pool of knowledge.

Instead of just funding all these hair-brained schemes with outrageous taxes, the whites could have been put to much better use in righting the wrongs of the past through their wealth of knowledge and training.

I wager 17 years down the line there would be a hell of a lot more black professionals and entrepreneurs as a result.
 
ave said:
This is why BEE is such a short sighted solution.

Think about it, after 94, you had a situation in the country where your financial base as well as your skill base was white and the ratio's had to be balanced. Fair enough. But what they did was put unskilled people in charge to fix the mess rather than drawing on that pool of knowledge.

Instead of just funding all these hair-brained schemes with outrageous taxes, the whites could have been put to much better use in righting the wrongs of the past through their wealth of knowledge and training.

I wager 17 years down the line there would be a hell of a lot more black professionals and entrepreneurs as a result.
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u dont understand there are only political freedom achieved not economic freedom so quotas is govt best and only way at fighting minority capitalist gross enrichment they can only enforce these laws they cannot force business to not employ there friends
 
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