Tramadol

[RiaX]

I can't even count the amount of times you've made demonstrably incorrect claims in the past, and as usual, you are not backing up the claims you make.

If I am wrong, by all means, correct me.

No you THINK I've made mistakes but I actually havent. This is what happens when you not qualified and think you know something. You aware you get IUPAC names ? structural names? pharmacological classification ? ... but you wouldnt be able to to tell the difference because sites like wikipedia dont teach you these things as they are not lessons in medicinal chemistry. Secondly all journal articles intended for the field assume you have the knowledge as basic as this.

Tramadol is classified as a benzomorphan according to the SAMF if you dont like it send them an angry email. Im not wasting my time engaging with a person who thinks he is a specialist after reading 2 or 3 articles on a subject

 

[copacetic]

No you THINK I've made mistakes but I actually havent.

It must be great to be incapable of being in error.

This is what happens when you not qualified and think you know something.

All I asked was a simple question, I made absolutely no claims about my knowledge, or lack thereof.

You aware you get IUPAC names ? structural names? pharmacological classification ? ... but you wouldnt be able to to tell the difference because sites like wikipedia dont teach you these things as they are not lessons in medicinal chemistry. Secondly all journal articles intended for the field assume you have the knowledge as basic as this.

A benzomorphan seems to be a parent compound, from which other chemicals are derived. Okay, so you claim that Tramadol is related to it, but despite all your ranting, you've not shown this to be true at all - In fact all you've done is insisted I'm an uneducated idiot, and you are right by virtue of what I am beginning to think you perceive as an all-encompassing knowledge of this subject on your side of things.

Tramadol is classified as a benzomorphan according to the SAMF if you dont like it send them an angry email. Im not wasting my time engaging with a person who thinks he is a specialist after reading 2 or 3 articles on a subject

Again, I made no claims whatsoever about my knowledge, and most certainly did not call myself a 'specialist' at any point.

Not having a copy of the SAMF, I cannot comment on your claim. I will, as usual, point out that you are again making assertions without providing any evidence whatsoever.

I am more than happy to be shown I am wrong, and taught something new. You've actually got to give evidence though, other than 'you're an idiot, who thinks he's an expert' and 'yes there's evidence for my claims, but I can't actually show that evidence because it's in a book/journal/research paper inaccessible to you mere mortals'.

 

[LazyLion]

Tramadol is classified as a benzomorphan according to the SAMF if you dont like it send them an angry email. Im not wasting my time engaging with a person who thinks he is a specialist after reading 2 or 3 articles on a subject

Great, so you should be able to scan in a copy of that page for us and post it here! Then we will all be the wiser!
I eagerly await.

 

[wily me]

Go look at a proper pharmacopeia before starting technical nonsense. You are beginning to irritate me now

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Oh my, Fsuck me...she's angry now! FFS get a life!

 

[wily me]

No you THINK I've made mistakes but I actually havent. This is what happens when you not qualified and think you know something.
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What are YOUR qualifications my LORD? Are you a Pharmacist, a Doctor or just a BEE/AAAA Medic?

 

[_Hecate_]

Specialists can be wrong, when I pointed out to an endocrinologist that i was not diabetic even though i use a diabetic tablet he refused to believe me that i was not diabetic and that the medicine could not be used for any other purpose....thats until he insisted contacting the specialist who prescribed it in the first place. He was "oh, yes you can take it for that" as if he knew it from the start and the whole argument didnt happen. Freakin idiot!

I loath the assumed superiority.

 

[RiaX]

Err no. You welcome to go ask your local pharm for theirs to look it up.

@copacetic

I didn't say I'm incapable of making mistakes. You are an intelligent fellow I shouldn't have to explain these things. If you had clinical exposure you probably be better than most of the interns I seen. Though being technical is not the answer to approach a person looking for medical advice as a lay person you will achieve nothing but confusion. As I said before information in medicine is extremely sensitive and because of the cost of developing that information you don't get it for free. Its also the reason why you can't use wikipedia for things like this.

 

[wily me]

..........I loath the assumed superiority.

THIS!

 

[RiaX]

Specialists can be wrong, when I pointed out to an endocrinologist that i was not diabetic even though i use a diabetic tablet he refused to believe me that i was not diabetic and that the medicine could not be used for any other purpose....thats until he insisted contacting the specialist who prescribed it in the first place. He was "oh, yes you can take it for that" as if he knew it from the start and the whole argument didnt happen. Freakin idiot!

I loath the assumed superiority.

Yes we can be wrong. Though an endocrinologist isn't a specialist in medicine so they not in tune with the latest tips and tricks with off label uses. However this is a far more complex scenario than what's happening wrt to tramadol. It is what it is, that's its classification that won't change since that's what it was said to be by the people that invented it.

Edit:

When I say specialist in medicine I mean like a specialist gp. Specialists work in their field and they have been doing it for a long time so they forget and lose touch with general medicine.

 

[RiaX]

What are YOUR qualifications my LORD? Are you a Pharmacist, a Doctor or just a BEE/AAAA Medic?

Lol I'm not a lord but I am a pharmacist. Honors in medicinal chemistry, pharmacology and pharmaceutics. Soon will have masters in pharmaceutics wrt to transdermal nanoparticle formulations

 

[wily me]

Lol I'm not a lord but I am a pharmacist. Honors in medicinal chemistry, pharmacology and pharmaceutics. Soon will have masters in pharmaceutics wrt to transdermal nanoparticle formulations

Then I respect your advice. Now seen to that you are our new resident doctor. What to use for "cold" sores or lip blisters. Suddenly have have a attack like never before.

 

[copacetic]

I didn't say I'm incapable of making mistakes.

Please pardon me if I somehow misunderstood this:

I can't even count the amount of times you've made demonstrably incorrect claims in the past, and as usual, you are not backing up the claims you make.

No you THINK I've made mistakes but I actually havent.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek obviously, as I'm certain you are self aware enough to know you can make errors, but when it comes to your field of specialty, your attitude suggests otherwise.

You are an intelligent fellow I shouldn't have to explain these things. If you had clinical exposure you probably be better than most of the interns I seen. Though being technical is not the answer to approach a person looking for medical advice as a lay person you will achieve nothing but confusion.

Then perhaps refrain from saying technical things like:

Secondly tramadol is a benzomorphan

You brought up the jargon, not us.

As I said before information in medicine is extremely sensitive and because of the cost of developing that information you don't get it for free. Its also the reason why you can't use wikipedia for things like this.

I've gone further than Wikipedia (which you seem to hold in contempt for some reason), and I cannot find the tiniest indication that there is a relationship of any sort between benzomorphans and Tramadol...

 

[killadoob]

Then I respect your advice. Now seen to that you are our new resident doctor. What to use for "cold" sores or lip blisters. Suddenly have have a attack like never before.

L-lysine bro, you want to avoid food with Arginine, well not avoid but try eat less. Chocolate for instance is something you avoid eating unless you are getting enough l-lysine within your diet. Stay away from dairy if you can, very high in arginine but google will guide easier than i can without posting a ton of links.

Google it, then go buy it and take 500mg twice a day,some people take 1mg twice a day but yea google is your best bet. Find out what foods contain l-lysine and start eating them more.





Even though riax does seem pretty knowledgeable copa never made any claims, riax did so back them up.

 

[wily me]

http://hallicino.hubpages.com/hub/Top-6-Cases-Of-Tramadol-Prescription-Abuse

FYI

 

[wily me]

Thanks Killa. Just had two tabs but it's rather for prevention against new outbursts than than cure. Hmm, had too much cake, ice cream, choc and dairy the last two weeks. Thats probably why.

 

[RiaX]

Then I respect your advice. Now seen to that you are our new resident doctor. What to use for "cold" sores or lip blisters. Suddenly have have a attack like never before.

They self limiting. We try to avoid treating self limiting problems because A) Its uneccesary cost and B) No one bothers making drugs for them.

They usually caused by herpes simplex virus-1. So topically apply an antiviral such as aciclovir, though these things are insanely expensive and the efficacy can be doubtful at times, its seriously not worth the cost to even bother.

You can use Zinc based ointments but again the same problems arise and they wont be as effective as the antivirals.

 

[RiaX]

I've gone further than Wikipedia (which you seem to hold in contempt for some reason), and I cannot find the tiniest indication that there is a relationship of any sort between benzomorphans and Tramadol...

If you really want to know, then you have to look at its chemical structure to see why its classified as a benzomorphan. It belongs to that family of drugs even though its not a direct member its a cousin per say. Its one of those dual action drugs that works on a series of pathways from opioid to actylcholine receptors and many more.

Its activity is comparable to codiene in other words similar to that of a low ceiling opioid if you look at its structure you can see the basic structure of an opioid as well.

Anyways I didnt classify it, thats just how its classified in text.

 

[copacetic]

If you really want to know, then you have to look at its chemical structure to see why its classified as a benzomorphan. It belongs to that family of drugs even though its not a direct member its a cousin per say. Its one of those dual action drugs that works on a series of pathways from opioid to actylcholine receptors and many more.

Its activity is comparable to codiene in other words similar to that of a low ceiling opioid if you look at its structure you can see the basic structure of an opioid as well.

Anyways I didnt classify it, thats just how its classified in text.

I'm still waiting for some evidence that it's classified as a benzomorphan. You'll excuse me if your word doesn't do it for me.

In any event, I'm on the verge of visiting my chemist. I want to clear this up.

 

[RiaX]

I'm still waiting for some evidence that it's classified as a benzomorphan. You'll excuse me if your word doesn't do it for me.

In any event, I'm on the verge of visiting my chemist. I want to clear this up.

There is no evidence because its a synthetic miscellaneous compound... The SAMF defines is under the benzomorphans and I agree with the SAMF

 

[Nerfherder]

There is no evidence because its a synthetic miscellaneous compound... The SAMF defines is under the benzomorphans and I agree with the SAMF

I just checked SAMF and its under analgesics:

Tramadol: is an atypical opioid structurally akin to tilidine. It falls under other opiates... not Benzomorphan derivatives.(But that is right next to it so probably very close)