Trouble acheiving Ketosis in Recipes

DJ... said:
I wonder whether slowing your meals down to two a day would help somewhat? We know that eating more, smaller meals a day does not boost the metabolism at all. That's a myth. It simply stabilises energy levels which gives the perception of having more energy, but in reality just means you don't slump at all in energy levels.

So would inducing a mild form of fasting between meals help? It might. I know that Peter Attia uses intermittent fasting ratios to speed up ketosis and maintain his levels, but I wonder if shorter fasting might also help?
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I'm working through some of Petro Dobromylskyj (Peter D for short) stuff

I think he works on about 2 meals a day
 
DJ... said:
I wonder whether slowing your meals down to two a day would help somewhat? We know that eating more, smaller meals a day does not boost the metabolism at all. That's a myth. It simply stabilises energy levels which gives the perception of having more energy, but in reality just means you don't slump at all in energy levels.

So would inducing a mild form of fasting between meals help? It might. I know that Peter Attia uses intermittent fasting ratios to speed up ketosis and maintain his levels, but I wonder if shorter fasting might also help?
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I might look into this. I would often go through a whole day without eating much, if my work got hectic. I would still drink loads of water, but would often skip breakfast and only eat at around 2pm or so. Then have dinner at 7ish. Being up late I would go fridge foraging for cheese or something at midnight, but that has pretty much stopped lately.

Any idea off hand, whether fasting 8pm to 2pm is better or worse than fasting 6am breakfast to 7pm dinner? Or is it just whichever one you might find most comfortable?
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
I'm working through some of Petro Dobromylskyj (Peter D for short) stuff

I think he works on about 2 meals a day
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SoulTax said:
I might look into this. I would often go through a whole day without eating much, if my work got hectic. I would still drink loads of water, but would often skip breakfast and only eat at around 2pm or so. Then have dinner at 7ish. Being up late I would go fridge foraging for cheese or something at midnight, but that has pretty much stopped lately.

Any idea off hand, whether fasting 8pm to 2pm is better or worse than fasting 6am breakfast to 7pm dinner? Or is it just whichever one you might find most comfortable?
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Well let's look at this rationally:

It is very difficult to maintain an optimal ketosis diet in terms of creating eating plans. So minimising the number of meals would make this process much easier.
It's difficult to keep track of everything we've eaten. Minimising meals would help here too.
A ketosis diet keeps you feeling full for longer and doesn't spike insulin levels at all, so forcing more meals than necessary serves no purpose.
Preparing meals this way can be very difficult. Again, minimising the meals makes sense.
Leftovers are a great source for lunches. Again, fewer meals means that you can concentrate on doubling the quantity of a single food or group of foods.
I can see no downside to minimising the number of meals and maximising the portion size.

The upside however looks good...
 
SoulTax said:
I might look into this. I would often go through a whole day without eating much, if my work got hectic. I would still drink loads of water, but would often skip breakfast and only eat at around 2pm or so. Then have dinner at 7ish. Being up late I would go fridge foraging for cheese or something at midnight, but that has pretty much stopped lately.

Any idea off hand, whether fasting 8pm to 2pm is better or worse than fasting 6am breakfast to 7pm dinner? Or is it just whichever one you might find most comfortable?
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Offtopic - I fast every Saturday from when i wake up till about 1 or 2pm.No food, no water,easier to get in the zone for meditation.
 
I am probably going to go back to purposely fasting through the morning. Daily then. I used to go until after lunch time without issues. That was before I was trying to eat keto, so I would break my fast with sandwiches and stuff like that. I know my body can handle the fasting quite easily, and I enjoy eating big meals over small ones, so the IF mealplan might suite me even more.
 
SoulTax said:
I am probably going to go back to purposely fasting through the morning. Daily then. I used to go until after lunch time without issues. That was before I was trying to eat keto, so I would break my fast with sandwiches and stuff like that. I know my body can handle the fasting quite easily, and I enjoy eating big meals over small ones, so the IF mealplan might suite me even more.
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Morning makes sense because it gives you the longest break to fast. If you eat at 7pm then again at 12pm the next day, you've given your body an effective 17 hour fast. You can't get that amount of time in anywhere else. And the myth about eating before bed causing weight gain is also just that - a myth...
 
DJ... said:
Morning makes sense because it gives you the longest break to fast. If you eat at 7pm then again at 12pm the next day, you've given your body an effective 17 hour fast. You can't get that amount of time in anywhere else. And the myth about eating before bed causing weight gain is also just that - a myth...
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Ye that myth I know. I have midnight snacked my whole life. Always something savoury never sweet. I just want to try to cut that midnight snack out if I am going to be fasting, so that it is a longer fasting period.

There are just so many nutritional and dietary myths out there. All of which are so damn entrenched in popular thinking. It can be so hard to fight against.
 
SoulTax said:
Ye that myth I know. I have midnight snacked my whole life. Always something savoury never sweet. I just want to try to cut that midnight snack out if I am going to be fasting, so that it is a longer fasting period.

There are just so many nutritional and dietary myths out there. All of which are so damn entrenched in popular thinking. It can be so hard to fight against.
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I have no idea how they start, but I do know that we've all been prone to falling for them. I used to think that eating fat caused people to get fat. I used to think that all cholesterol was bad. I used to think that high cholesterol was bad. I used to think that eating before bed caused weight gain. I used to believe that eating small meals throughout the day increased metabolism. I believed that in order to bulk on muscle, one needed a high protein diet.

I might not know how they start (probably bunk science), but I know how they are perpetuated. Or at least by who - doctors. Moron doctors who don't believe in continued education in their field. The white coat does not make them right. Ask Alan...
 
DJ... said:
I have no idea how they start, but I do know that we've all been prone to falling for them. I used to think that eating fat caused people to get fat. I used to think that all cholesterol was bad. I used to think that high cholesterol was bad. I used to think that eating before bed caused weight gain. I used to believe that eating small meals throughout the day increased metabolism. I believed that in order to bulk on muscle, one needed a high protein diet.
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Considering all the things you used to believe, I think you've got more of a grip on these issues than most doctors & dieticians ;)
 
So DJ, you tried to update this scrambled egg recipe to a keto one. Obviously with some cream instead of milk? I have been making slow scrambled eggs for a while now, but nowhere near this slow yet. I use the cream as a temperature controlling agent and once the eggs are cooked to the level that I want I drop the cream in to reduce the amount of latent cooking heat left over.

I would imagine that with this method of yours, and loads of cream, the texture will be so smooth it would spontaneously create it's own sunglasses and swagger.
 
SoulTax said:
So DJ, you tried to update this scrambled egg recipe to a keto one. Obviously with some cream instead of milk? I have been making slow scrambled eggs for a while now, but nowhere near this slow yet. I use the cream as a temperature controlling agent and once the eggs are cooked to the level that I want I drop the cream in to reduce the amount of latent cooking heat left over.

I would imagine that with this method of yours, and loads of cream, the texture will be so smooth it would spontaneously create it's own sunglasses and swagger.
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Well, Heston Blumenthal makes his eggs like this and uses cream instead of milk, and adds a knob of butter as well.

Here's his: http://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/heston-blumenthals-scrambled-eggs

Obviously you really need to monitor the heat or the eggs effectively split. The water and the fat separate as the heat squeezes it out. Also only add the vinegar right at the very last second...
 
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Oh. My. Holy. Mother. Of. Cauliflower. Goddesses

I introduce to you....cauliflower base pizza...:D

http://tastykitchen.com/blog/2013/08/cauliflower-crust-pizza/

Oh cauliflower pizza crust, I have been skeptical of you for so long. So, so long. The first time I attempted a cauliflower crust was back in the day, long before Pinterest existed or I knew what a blog was, after getting a recipe from someone in my local gym. I didn’t love cauliflower at the time but I didn’t loathe it either. Plus, it came loaded with lots of cheese, so it had to be a win. Right?
Wrong. It was pretty terrible. So terrible in fact that, until I found this recipe—this recipe for The Best Cauliflower Crust Pizza ever—I vowed that I wouldn’t succumb to the trend once again.
Now, I’m so glad that I did. Michelle is one smart cookie.

Not only is the crust simple, it is FAST. That’s the key for me. Now, let me say that I don’t think I will ever replace my favorite pizza crust. I make a mean whole-wheat dough and love it all up. But this is an awesome recipe for when you want pizza and you are short on time, or when you want pizza but are willing to draw outside the lines a bit, or when you want pizza but need to stay away from gluten. Or maybe you’re trying to sneak in some extra veg. Story of my life.

This gets even better with an array of toppings. I am boring in my pizza choices so I kept it simple with some cheese and sauce. But now, all I’m envisioning is buffalo chicken, grilled vegetables, cheeseburger pizza, and other endless options. So excited. Let’s get started!
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Tonight I made a creamy beef stew/soup thing. Was delicious. As usual. :D

Here's what meal 2 for the day looks like.

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Getting much better now. Ratios starting to look better at least. So what I can deduce from this is that this meal is far more in line with the ketogenic lifestyle than the others I've been eating.
Fat deficit for the day is much lower than yesterday's and I still have some calories left to consume if I want to just glug a few sips of avocado oil which I have lying around.

A few points wrt the tool:

The QTY vs actual is a little useless as it is. It currently looks at the current meal and compares against the day's goal. It instead needs to factor in all of the day's intake. I will change this.
I'm also going to leave the percentage chart as it helps to determine if the meal being eaten has the right proportions in line with the goals.
I really need to update it all to compare against historical info. That requires some considerable work. I'll get to it...
 
have any of you guys got some decent resources that you can point me at with regards oils because I'm getting a lot of conflicting messages between pressed vs. refined oils and impact of PUFA's especially
 
Not directly related because he deals mostly with low carb although he does speak about ketosis is marksdailyapple.com

Has loads of info and some recipes etc! Really interesting site!
 
So my IF is going well. 11:18 and it feels like I can go another hour or two quite easily. Going to have a scrambled egg breakfast at about 12.30 or 13.00 .

Trying to plan out both my meals for the day using the calc app, that way there are no surprises when dinnertime comes and I have a huge fat deficit to make up.
 
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