Tshwane - Pretoria

[xtermin8or]

Like I said they were colonised and the colonialists took the credit, Africa was raped, pillaged and plundered by the colonialists, who used what they got from Africa to build themselves up. This is not imagination, this is history.
how then can you expect Africa's develpment to be the same as the West

 

[BobbyMac]

Africa was several generations behind modern development. The "colonialists" put Africa into gear towards faster development - so they do deserve at least some credit.

 

[protzkrog]

so Africa was better off without any technology (like the wheel), the colonialists should never have come ? and African countries would have become world class countries on their own ? by their own ingenuity, innovation, work ethic and leadership ?

you make it sound if the westerners had nothing, invented nothing, accomplished nothing, until they colonised Africa and from the Africans they learnt everything useful.

 

[telkomsuig]

America was once a colony, singapore was once a colony, Malaysia was once a colony. Singapore is a good example as they gain independance around the same time the rest of africa did. Interesting that they aren't still whinging like africa but actually now is one of the richest countries in the world.

 

[protzkrog]

good point telkomsuig, good nick as well

 

[CeeBee]

The old names were names forced on the people of this country by colonial and Apartheid powers, with the change to democracy, discriminatory legislation and institutions had to be changed, the same is just being done to place names

hmmm, i'm curious.... wtf is racist or discriminatory about a name like Warmbaths? Were u even aware that there is (used to be) a hot water spring & subsequent warm water pools there, which I suspect why the people who started the town called it Warmbaths?
I guess the same could also be said for Jhb International, an international airport in JHB, I fail to see the racist and discrimintory burnmark in that.
The fact remains there are so many towns & places who's names have no reference to racism, that now just has to be changed..
Why make a race issue of everything
But anyway, change the names, people will, as in most other things in life, called it whatever they like.
As been said before, most people don't really care about the name, but the outrage against the changings is against the mo3rse waste of munny on things while there is undoubtedly more important issues deserving of that munny first, to serve all the people. Neccesities first, luxuries second

 

[xtermin8or]

so Africa was better off without any technology (like the wheel), the colonialists should never have come ? and African countries would have become world class countries on their own ? by their own ingenuity, innovation, work ethic and leadership ?

you make it sound if the westerners had nothing, invented nothing, accomplished nothing, until they colonised Africa and from the Africans they learnt everything useful.

and you have discovered who discovered the wheel ? come on now, I don't want to get into another debate about who invented or discovered what ( FYI - the fundamental inventions came not from the West my dear friend), as it is a pointless excercise, the fact is that Africa suffered under colonialism, borders were drawn where there were no borders before, leading to conflicts that have lasted well after the colonialists withdrew

 

[protzkrog]

and you have discovered who discovered the wheel ? come on now, I don't want to get into another debate about who invented or discovered what ( FYI - the fundamental inventions came not from the West my dear friend), as it is a pointless excercise, the fact is that Africa suffered under colonialism, borders were drawn where there were no borders before, leading to conflicts that have lasted well after the colonialists withdrew

so the fundemental inventions came from Africa ?

borders were drawn where there were no borders before, leading to conflicts that have lasted well after the colonialists withdrew

so if the Africans are so clever and good people why don't they just redraw the borders, shouldn't be too difficult.

so first blame is put on westerners for colonizing Africa, then they are blamed again for all the problems because they left, lol

 

[StrongTurd]

Like I said they were colonised and the colonialists took the credit, Africa was raped, pillaged and plundered by the colonialists, who used what they got from Africa to build themselves up. This is not imagination, this is history.
how then can you expect Africa's develpment to be the same as the West

LOL! Why did the Europeans colonise Africa in the first place?

...Because they could!

The black man with all his military genius (Shaka) and his amazing astronomical knowledge (Mapungubwe) was still wielding a spear, which history shows, was no match for the Maxim machine gun. LOL!

Sure, Eurpoeans DID rape and plunder Africa for their own gain (and continue to do so) but it should be blatantly obvious that their vastly superior technology allowed them to do so in the first place.

 

[blonde one]

LOL! Why did the Europeans colonise Africa in the first place?

...Because they could!

The black man with all his military genius (Shaka) and his amazing astronomical knowledge (Mapungubwe) was still wielding a spear, which history shows, was no match for the Maxim machine gun. LOL!

Sure, Eurpoeans DID rape and plunder Africa for their own gain (and continue to do so) but it should be blatantly obvious that their vastly superior technology allowed them to do so in the first place.

It's called civilisation.

 

[dlk001]

Sure, Eurpoeans DID rape and plunder Africa for their own gain (and continue to do so) but it should be blatantly obvious that their vastly superior technology allowed them to do so in the first place.

Its not blatantly obvious when you are at the stope face underground, seeing all those man work their ass off.

Its blatantly obvious when you are at the geology, mining, engineering department, looking at all those design and analysis softwares.

So, combining the two, it becomes obvious that one could not happen without the other. Anyway, that is just an example in mining.

 

[Skeptik]

The science that was used in pre-colonial Africa, was used in Africa, it was not exported as the tribes of Africa had no need for world domination, do you really think the colonial powers would give credit to African intellectuals for the knowledge they gained and stole from the black man - here I am talking about things that include but are not limited to - the Astronomers of Mapungubwe, and the war tactics of Shaka Zulu

Don't confuse ancient Egypt with BEE Africa.
Shaka was a vicious despot who wielded power like a psychotic. I wouldn't hold him up as an example of Zulu prowess.

Shaka's war tactics wasn't really that ownage...he may have won a few battles, but lost the war...
where can we find more info on what the astronomers of Mapungubwe discovered ? and how their knowledge helps SA today ?

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapungubwe
"Mapungubwean society was "the most complex in southern Africa". It is thought by archaeologists to be the first class-based social system in southern Africa--that is, its leaders were separated from and higher in rank than its inhabitants."

an early form of apartheid maybe ?

LOL

Like I said they were colonised and the colonialists took the credit, Africa was raped, pillaged and plundered by the colonialists, who used what they got from Africa to build themselves up. This is not imagination, this is history.
how then can you expect Africa's develpment to be the same as the West

What development was there before Africa opened her legs and took the European phallus?

Let's face it, they were a barbaric, uncivilised stone aged people who wore animal skins and had no written language, and no invented "wheel".

They also like to practise genocide and slavery on other tribes. In fact slavery probably started in Africa.

and you have discovered who discovered the wheel ? come on now, I don't want to get into another debate about who invented or discovered what ( FYI - the fundamental inventions came not from the West my dear friend), as it is a pointless excercise, the fact is that Africa suffered under colonialism, borders were drawn where there were no borders before, leading to conflicts that have lasted well after the colonialists withdrew

They had to draw borders because BEE Africans had no concept of ownership until the Europeans arrived. Since then they have simply tried to own everything, even if it didn't belong to them.