'Turning me into a racist'

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iafrica.com reader Andrew de Pomeroy-Legg says that he is struggling more and more to maintain his liberal thinking...

So there we have it. "The Spear" has been painted and displayed, and what has it achieved? Well, for one thing, it's gone and whipped up a complete frenzy of allegations and counter allegations! Brett Murray has offended blacks and in particular Zulus with his open depiction of our president's private parts. The gallery who refused to remove the artwork likewise, and the press who published photographs of it are being singled out for boycott. This is the one side of the story.

The other side is of a group of people who believe that the president has in some way received comeuppance for the way in which they perceive his behaviour. He deserves it. He sleeps around with unmarried women half his age. He made irresponsible comments about HIV/Aids, and his management of the affairs of South Africa has been less than positive.

So who's right, and who's wrong? Is this art, or is this pure provocation? These are not simple questions to answer, and trying to do so is only going to open one up to criticism from those of differing opinions. I have opinions about these questions, and I believe that Brett Murray is off sides, but in some way I feel that the president has courted this and that it is justified or even deserved. The old saying of making one's bed and sleeping in it comes to mind, so I guess I'm kind of on the fence. Is it good art? Possibly, but not something that particularly grabs my admiration. So where does that leave me and my opinion?

Well for one, I believe that the painting is not the real issue here. The real issue here is the response by the ANC, Cosatu, NUM, the SACP and the Zuma family. All of these entities have expressed shock and outrage at the painting, and all of them have suggested that racism is the problem.

The amount of energy expended is significant and continues unabated. As others have suggested, it would be reassuring to get the same level of outcry about the Aurora mine scandal, or the Eastern Cape education debacle. The same response could be wished for the debacle with regards to our top cops of late, and the apparent inability of the presidency to appoint someone fit for the job, but on these issues we just get blessed silence.

The biggest problem with "The Spear" though is that Brett Murray is not public enemy #1 in all of this. No sir, it is me. I am public enemy #1, along with every other white person in South Africa. We are insensitive. We are racist. Given the outcry, you'd think that we all got together around a nice big braai, had a brainstorm as to how to best offend our black brethren, and painted the blasted spear together!

Brett Murray has wittingly or unwittingly provided the ANC and its alliance partners with the ammunition they need to whip up racial tension. Stir the pot of old emotions, and fan the flames of intolerance that they claim to want to get rid of. My concern is that this is not the only contributor to the simmering increase in racial tension in South Africa, and it brings me neatly to the point I really want to make here.

The ANC relies to a large extent on a historically emotional vote to maintain a significant majority in South African politics. We have a president who tells people that their ancestors will question them should they not vote ANC. Emotional blackmail plain and simple.

We have a president who has to make corny jokes in Parliament about his sleeping with the daughter of his peer. We have a government that has failed South Africans on so many fronts, and shows no sign of stemming the corruption that causes wanton waste of taxpayer's money.

This money could have gone into schools and health care; it could have gone into housing, but instead it is funnelled away into private accounts held by the politically connected. It is wasted on kissing competitions and purchases we do not need (arms deal, etc.), and even when it is available, the lack of management capability caused by cadre deployment sees to it that in many cases it does not get utilised as it should.

I have a problem with this. Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess. I work hard for my money and I pay my taxes, but the government does not use my money effectively. I have dreams of a South Africa where race is not a factor in people's economic status, the type of education they receive or the home they live in. These dreams and hopes of mine are shattered by the ANC almost daily, and what is the result?

Well, I as a 37-year-old white guy find myself struggling more and more to maintain my liberal thinking, my positivity and my dreams for a better South Africa for all. I don't consider myself racist, but more and more I find myself generalising negatively about my black fellow citizens.

I know I shouldn't, and I know that you can't generalise, but it is becoming an uphill battle for me. I have no respect for our president, and I have very little for those that support him. I find the silence of others in the ANC sickening and I feel them to be complicit.

Worst of all, I start to question those who vote for the ANC, and as you can see, slowly the distaste spreads, and I have to keep reminding myself not to generalise. So, what's the problem with this?

The problem is that I like to think of myself as a fairly open-minded individual. I hate racism and I dream of a better South Africa for all. I never played a part in Apartheid but I recognise how I have benefited hugely over so many of my fellow countrymen.

In a way, I feel guilty about it and the result is that I feel strongly about our obligation as South Africans to work on redressing the wrongs of the past. It's not just because of the guilt, but because it is the right thing to do! This is what really irks me about the current ANC-led government. They are failing in this task. They are the first to speak about redress, and yet they are not attending to the problem.

Instead, they turn their backs on corruption and its results, act on it only when forced to do so by the media they attempt to muzzle, and then at every turn when things don't work out, they simply pull the race card. The politically connected continue to get away with murder, and all this with my tax money!

Our president may not have been found guilty in a court of law, but there is a difference between legal guilt and actual guilt. In my mind, he is corrupt and guilty. It makes me feel angry, resentful and helpless.

I can deal with that, but the worst of it is that slowly but surely it is turning me into a racist, the very thing I despise and hate. The very thing I speak out against, and as much as I know it is wrong, I sometimes feel like I'm slipping into a place I don't want to be. Worrying though, I think I may not be the only one, and if there is anything South Africa can do without right now, it is more racism.

If anything, "The Spear" and the controversy surrounding it have clarified this problem for me. Am I the only one? Surely not! Is "The Spear" the actual problem here, or is it just a symptom of an unhealthy undercurrent in South Africa today? Is it an indicator that whilst we are dreaming to grow together, there are those who willfully force us apart for their own selfish agenda? Is the Rainbow Nation slowly evaporating?

I truly hope not, but should those in positions of power be allowed to continue on their course, I fear that this country will lose the momentum of goodwill that we began to develop, and that will be a crying shame. I hope the political race mongers and corrupt officials are willing to make changes to the way they operate, or they will need to accept that they will go down in history as the people they are, and not as the people they profess to be.

http://news.iafrica.com/features/796925.html

How many liberals are starting to feel the same?
Live and let live.................:love:
 
I might be disgusted by the way Zuma and the ANC are behaving, and leading our country. But I'm still not gonna become a racist. Many of my black friends agree, that he is behaving like an idiot. Let's not judge a whole population because of a few morons.
 
There are groups from all races who were "outraged" by this, not just black people.

So this would be a case of hating dum fscks.

*nod*

Personally, I believe there's something wrong with South African society as a whole and it'll take decades before it finally works itself out.

I wonder how many of us are really willing to wait that long.

This entire Spear saga has left me with a sour taste in my mouth for the backwards double-standards of this nation and our government. One moment we want to embrace freedoms and liberties, the next we're suing satirists (Zapiro) for doing their jobs, artists for expressing their creativity and all this while "tolerating" hate-speech like Kill the Boer, Malema's constant attacks on white people, turning a blind eye to farm murders, doing little more than lip-service to the growing problems of corruption, tenderpreneuerism and crime that affects every single one of us.

All of this wastes tax-payer money while education, healthcare and police services slip further and further.

I am someone who values liberties and freedoms and the rights of every individual whether you like what they have to say or not. And I'm sorry, there is no "right to be offended" -- especially not if you're a public figure. The only thing that cannot be tolerated is hate-speech and discrimination: something this artwork clearly wasn't.

This country is full of racists, it's full of conservative nutjobs who want to control those freedoms and liberties.

This isn't somewhere I'm proud to call "Home" any more and it hasn't been for a while.

I don't see myself living here ten years from now. Even five would be pushing it.

But who knows... these feelings stem from years of chips being taken out of my optimism and faith in our nation. And someone like Zuma becoming president was the biggest chip of all. It's been in steady decline since then, especially watching the Malema saga play out.
 
I might be disgusted by the way Zuma and the ANC are behaving, and leading our country. But I'm still not gonna become a racist. Many of my black friends agree, that he is behaving like an idiot. Let's not judge a whole population because of a few morons.

Its not a few morons- there are millions that vote cANCer.
 
I might be disgusted by the way Zuma and the ANC are behaving, and leading our country. But I'm still not gonna become a racist. Many of my black friends agree, that he is behaving like an idiot. Let's not judge a whole population because of a few morons.

Those black friends probably dare not voice their opinion to other black folk, because when they do they will probably get on a "to be necklaced" list. No need to be racist, it's only the far left crowd that called it racist after all. How does the colour of a penis on a painting make you racist? The African National Circus is not crazy or stupid like my interpretation of the name implies, it is clinging to power. It has power because they conquered this country by violence and lies, they got where they did because the liberals thought that crawling on their bellies would fix this country... it most certrainly did not. Liberal thinking is all good and well for some but it is a sheer luxery NOT a right and neither is it right anyway. Lots of decent black folk out there but at the moment it seems the majority have reverted to being animals that rampage every now and again... animals need to feed so do not be surprised when they start killing any and everything nearby. The only way to stop the coming bout of violence is for the masses to stop acting so shamefully but I rather doubt that is going to happen.

You do not change Africa by being soft, you must be strong or Africa changes you.
 
I might be disgusted by the way Zuma and the ANC are behaving, and leading our country. But I'm still not gonna become a racist. Many of my black friends agree, that he is behaving like an idiot. Let's not judge a whole population because of a few morons.

A few morons? Seems a little bit more than a few. A case of being upset because you're being told to be. :rolleyes: Nonetheless, not a reason to become a racist.
 
I think Mr Andrew de Pomeroy-Legg is trying to convince himself the ANC is the reason for his prejudice against Black people because his self confessed guilt of benefitting from Apartheid is wearing off...
 
I might be disgusted by the way Zuma and the ANC are behaving, and leading our country. But I'm still not gonna become a racist. Many of my black friends agree, that he is behaving like an idiot. Let's not judge a whole population because of a few morons.

Your friends need to be louder.

I am coming to a point where I despise the government and everyone who would and have voted for them. I need to hear more from our black countrymen who value South Africa above the ANC. I am beginning to think these people don't exist.
I think they see the corruption and are just hoping to get their turn at the trough.
 
I think Mr Andrew de Pomeroy-Legg is trying to convince himself the ANC is the reason for his prejudice against Black people because his self confessed guilt of benefitting from Apartheid is wearing off...

Could your trolling be any more obvious? hahaha
 
Cant see how its trolling because everything in my post came straight from the OP...

How do you get to your conclusion from this?

I can deal with that, but the worst of it is that slowly but surely it is turning me into a racist, the very thing I despise and hate. The very thing I speak out against, and as much as I know it is wrong, I sometimes feel like I'm slipping into a place I don't want to be. Worrying though, I think I may not be the only one, and if there is anything South Africa can do without right now, it is more racism.

EDIT: or do you want to open the White Privilege issue again?
 
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Cant see how its trolling because everything in my post came straight from the OP...
Shhhh the man is on the road to mental recovery, he's been so sick for so long. hahaha some say liberalism is not a political belief it is a mental illness... still not sure whether I agree with that or not.
 
. Liberal thinking is all good and well for some but it is a sheer luxery NOT a right and neither is it right anyway. Lots of decent black folk out there but at the moment it seems the majority have reverted to being animals that rampage every now and again... animals need to feed so do not be surprised when they start killing any and everything nearby. The only way to stop the coming bout of violence is for the masses to stop acting so shamefully but I rather doubt that is going to happen.

no racism here
 
Even though it might not be the right thing...I can understand how guy feels. I do look at the ANC and the people that support them with these marches etc...and I feel a intense hate almost. But the important thing is that we fight them not with fists and throwing stones...but with debate, conversation and more importantly...at the voting sations! We might not be able to dethrone them at present...but we sure as hell can keep them in check. Hopefully as the more enlightened black youth of today starts voting and the eyes of the majority starts to open to the huge short comings of the party that claims to have their best interests at heart, we will see change.

Well, that is what I hope for anyway.
 
How do you get to your conclusion from this?



EDIT: or do you want to open the White Privilege issue again?

I got my conclusion from this

I have a problem with this. Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess. I work hard for my money and I pay my taxes, but the government does not use my money effectively. I have dreams of a South Africa where race is not a factor in people's economic status, the type of education they receive or the home they live in. These dreams and hopes of mine are shattered by the ANC almost daily, and what is the result?

Well, I as a 37-year-old white guy find myself struggling more and more to maintain my liberal thinking, my positivity and my dreams for a better South Africa for all. I don't consider myself racist, but more and more I find myself generalising negatively about my black fellow citizens.

I know I shouldn't, and I know that you can't generalise, but it is becoming an uphill battle for me. I have no respect for our president, and I have very little for those that support him. I find the silence of others in the ANC sickening and I feel them to be complicit

The problem here is the ANC and NOT Black people. He has chosen to to lump all Black people into the same lot because we look like the guys making decisions in Government. He does not have insight into the demographics of the people that voted for the ANC, I say this because when I voted, there was nowhere on the ballot that asked for my race and or ID number.

In short, he himself says "Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess." He has totally disregarded black people that have spoken out against the ANC, are members/leaders of opposition parties, are just black people who are against the ANC's politics! Nope, he has chosen simply to lump us all in because he sees "mostly black"...

He has been racist all along IMO, its just that now his guilt is wearing off.
 
I got my conclusion from this



The problem here is the ANC and NOT Black people. He has chosen to to lump all Black people into the same lot because we look like the guys making decisions in Government. He does not have insight into the demographics of the people that voted for the ANC, I say this because when I voted, there was nowhere on the ballot that asked for my race and or ID number.

In short, he himself says "Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess." He has totally disregarded black people that have spoken out against the ANC, are members/leaders of opposition parties, are just black people who are against the ANC's politics! Nope, he has chosen simply to lump us all in because he sees "mostly black"...

He has been racist all along IMO, its just that now his guilt is wearing off.

Wow you seriously got all of that from the passage he wrote.

got some latent white people issue?
 
@sox63
With so few black voices of reason out there can you truely blame him? All anyone ever sees is the "blacks and ANC against the white demons" when a bunch of blacks get together, that this comes to us through the government controlled Media is true but the lack of strong dissenting voices are detrimental to your cause. You need to stop expecting people to think a certain way just because it makes you more comfortable and look at WHY they think the way they do.
 
IMHO the whole point of this saga about the painting is that it serves as a covenient platform to divert attention from a whole range of other more important issues eg education, crime and the like. The SPEAR is easy to reduce to an emotional level and thereby divert attention!
 
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