'Turning me into a racist'

R13... said:
Why do you say he is trolling? How can someone turn suddenly racist over the painting furore? Racism is like a religion, it is not logical or based on reason.
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You have it half right, racism is a natural instinct meant to protect us from everything that is not us but can go haywire. Like hatered it mostly is not based on logic or reason but is something everyone must fight against... not just the whites EVERYONE. And no no one turned racist over a stupid painting, this reaction to it is just the latest in a long line of "we're black so we're right" BS from the masses in control, THAT is what is turning him racist.
 
rambo919 said:
@sox63
With so few black voices of reason out there can you truely blame him? All anyone ever sees is the "blacks and ANC against the white demons" when a bunch of blacks get together, that this comes to us through the government controlled Media is true but the lack of strong dissenting voices are detrimental to your cause. You need to stop expecting people to think a certain way just because it makes you more comfortable and look at WHY they think the way they do.
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Dr Mamphele Ramphele is not a strong voice? Former Archbishop Tutu is not a strong voice? Moeletsi Mbeki is not a strong voice? I use those three just as an illustration because they seem to be the most popular and loved ones on this forum.

What most on this forum and SA society at large are looking for is for someone within the ANC to speak up against their party and I ask you where in the world of politics anywhere in world have you seen that happen? They have a vested interest and are not gonna give that up.

Attack the ANC as an organisation and NOT black people in general, thats all I'm saying...
 
The amount of energy expended is significant and continues unabated. As others have suggested, it would be reassuring to get the same level of outcry about the Aurora mine scandal, or the Eastern Cape education debacle. The same response could be wished for the debacle with regards to our top cops of late, and the apparent inability of the presidency to appoint someone fit for the job, but on these issues we just get blessed silence.
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The most important and telling part
 
rambo919 said:
You have it half right, racism is a natural instinct meant to protect us from everything that is not us but can go haywire. Like hatered it mostly is not based on logic or reason but is something everyone must fight against... not just the whites EVERYONE. And no no one turned racist over a stupid painting, this reaction to it is just the latest in a long line of "we're black so we're right" BS from the masses in control, THAT is what is turning him racist.
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Doesn't him "turning" racist just prove the black racists, right? They are painting all white people with the same brush and he goes ahead and proves them right by deciding that all black people can be lumped the same way:wtf:. Racism is a primitive "instinct" and most modern people have shed that animal like instinct a long time ago along with a bunch of other disgusting and inhumane "instincts".
 
So it's ok to attack whites in general for the NP but not blacks in general for the ANC? Those voices you named are few and in the end unfortutantely impotent.
 
R13... said:
Doesn't him "turning" racist just prove the black racists, right? They are painting all white people with the same brush and he goes ahead and proves them right by deciding that all black people can be lumped the same way:wtf:. Racism is a primitive "instinct" and most modern people have shed that animal like instinct a long time ago along with a bunch of other disgusting and inhumane "instincts".
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When whites start; raping, torturing, killing blacks the way blacks are doing to everyone including themselves... then you can give the it goes both ways speech. The weight simply is not heavy enough on both sides to balance. And no there is no such thing as a primitive instict that can just go away, all instincts stay with everyone, some just learn to control it better than others. But then again being racist is saying that "that other group" is genetically dangerous to me, this is something that would be impossible to prove either way. So yes it is foolish to be racist but you have to be realistic about the current situation. Yes it is possible that the masses will wake up and fix their own damn situtation instead of blaiming everything on the nearest whitey but I rather doubt that will happen without massive bloodshed.
 
sox63 said:
What most on this forum and SA society at large are looking for is for someone within the ANC to speak up against their party and I ask you where in the world of politics anywhere in world have you seen that happen? They have a vested interest and are not gonna give that up
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This happens widely in world politics. Just the other day the Conservatives in the UK had to reverse turn on "the pasties tax" they wanted to implement because their own backbenchers were up in arms about.

Obama has been given his fair share of squabbles with his own democrats over certain issues.

It does happen and it should happen


sox63 said:
Attack the ANC as an organisation and NOT black people in general, thats all I'm saying...
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This I do agree with but I do not like it when the ANC (and its other political based partners) can generalise all white people as apartheid loving, land stealing racists but if a white person does it is seen as unfair.

see the double standards
 
Thanks sox63.

Just the other day daveza and I had a nice chat. He said that as an 'apartheid liberal' he is beginning to feel less liberal. I found that peculiar, and so I showed him that as a privileged white at a privileged high school, already 8 years ago, I was getting lifts to rugby matches with black schoolmates and their families in modern VWs. Black families who live in the suburbs and shop at Pick n Pay.

I then asked him if, as an apartheid liberal, he enveloped the idea of economic freedom as much as the idea of political freedom. No response.

The large black middle class only reinforces liberal thinking. They are our safety, because they are educated, and are the ones waking up to the rot.
 
PostmanPot said:
The large black middle class only reinforces liberal thinking. They are our safety, because they are educated, and are the ones waking up to the rot.
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Unfortunately they are putting themselves in more danger the more sensible they become, do not depend on them because they will either bend to preassure eventually or be too busy fighting for their lives to help anyone else. I am quite sure that the day the ANC clearly looses an election they cannot rig back towards their favour we will have civil war. SA is only different than the rest of Africa because we have millions of non-blacks here that simply will not run away. Brutal dictatorship is only delayed, not avoided.
 
rambo919 said:
Unfortunately they are putting themselves in more danger the more sensible they become, do not depend on them because they will either bend to preassure eventually or be too busy fighting for their lives to help anyone else. I am quite sure that the day the ANC clearly looses an election they cannot rig back towards their favour we will have civil war. SA is only different than the rest of Africa because we have millions of non-blacks here that simply will not run away. Brutal dictatorship is only delayed, not avoided.
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Is your bunker fully stocked?
 
ISP cash cow said:
This happens widely in world politics. Just the other day the Conservatives in the UK had to reverse turn on "the pasties tax" they wanted to implement because their own backbenchers were up in arms about.

Obama has been given his fair share of squabbles with his own democrats over certain issues.

It does happen and it should happen
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You are talking about specific policies that are in dispute within political parties. Our issue is much wider than that, ours is that the entire ANC has proven to be ineffective in running the affairs of the country. I doubt any of the Conservatives or Democrats would stand up and say "We suck and thus should not be in government"

This I do agree with but I do not like it when the ANC (and its other political based partners) can generalise all white people as apartheid loving, land stealing racists but if a white person does it is seen as unfair.

see the double standards
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The ANC uses this as a politics tool, an unfortunately effective one given the feelings in the OP.
 
He makes an excellent point but for now I will just stick to looking down on any ANC members regardless of colour because as sure as hellfire you have to be as thick as a brick to support a party of racists, thieves, scumbags and murderers like the ANC.
 
sox63 said:
The ANC uses this as a politics tool, an unfortunately effective one given the feelings in the OP.
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Well it seems their propaganda machine also works well when comments like this are posted

sox63 said:
I think Mr Andrew de Pomeroy-Legg is trying to convince himself the ANC is the reason for his prejudice against Black people because his self confessed guilt of benefitting from Apartheid is wearing off...
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Corrupt politics is not like being bitten by a radioactive spider. You don't get 'turned into' anything which you do not already lean towards being.
 
Garyvdh said:
He makes an excellent point but for now I will just stick to looking down on any ANC members regardless of colour because as sure as hellfire you have to be as thick as a brick to support a party of racists, thieves, scumbags and murderers like the ANC.
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Yet >90% of the white population voted with or to the right of the NP...just saying.

ISP cash cow said:
This I do agree with but I do not like it when the ANC (and its other political based partners) can generalise all white people as apartheid loving, land stealing racists but if a white person does it is seen as unfair.
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And based on the above is it really a generalisation?

You could rightly say that today a card carrying ANC voter is less representative of, and less a beneficiary of, the actual policies of the ANC govt as opposed to the reverse situation before, and the former had more clout in affecting what their govt did, yet didn't do anything- simply because of those benefits.

I am just making observations on the situation, and to be honest based on what I have observed on MyBB over the time- and commented on before much to disagreement and shooting the messenger- there is an underlying tone of racism looking for all sorts of events to be justified.
It's probably that the general public sees that too out there, they know it exists and they don't trust the whites, and no doubt the ANC just uses that to stir up the masses - too easy. Do you even need a 'spear' painting for it. No, but good excuse anyway. It's an underlying current waiting for a big wave.

Just my theory, because with my regular visits everyone 'appears' hunky dory and 'acceptance' of their lot, but there is no tolerance....and SA is a long way away from that.

cheers
 
sox63 said:
I think Mr Andrew de Pomeroy-Legg is trying to convince himself the ANC is the reason for his prejudice against Black people because his self confessed guilt of benefitting from Apartheid is wearing off...
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What about the ANC's seeming prejudice against white people ? What about their seeming preoccupation with race ?
 
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