'Turning me into a racist'

[Flanders]

The problem here is the ANC and NOT Black people. He has chosen to to lump all Black people into the same lot because we look like the guys making decisions in Government. He does not have insight into the demographics of the people that voted for the ANC, I say this because when I voted, there was nowhere on the ballot that asked for my race and or ID number.

In short, he himself says "Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess." He has totally disregarded black people that have spoken out against the ANC, are members/leaders of opposition parties, are just black people who are against the ANC's politics! Nope, he has chosen simply to lump us all in because he sees "mostly black"...

He has been racist all along IMO, its just that now his guilt is wearing off.

Pure comprehension fail here, sox. Read it again.

He says "Not because it is mainly blacks who preside over this mess, but because it is a mess."

It seems apparent that the only part you did read was where he admits that his optimism for the country and sense of liberalism are waning and after that you simply jumped in and saw what you wanted to. The reason for it (whether justified or not) is because he sees little to no outcry against the real issues this country faces from the supposedly swelling middle class of educated black folk. The fact that you went on to list a whole three individuals thereafter is just laughable.

What it comes down to is this: you guys (yes, I mean black people - of the level-headed, educated variety) need to realise that making a difference in this country is up to YOU. Being white and having an opinion about the way things are done around here these days is hardly taken seriously, aside from our vote - which thankfully does count, however for precious little in the grand scheme of things. In fact, there's 100% more chance of being called names (one in particular) than being listened to.

 

[R13...]

They like making unjustified, ridiculous attacks on white people.

I quote Blade Nizimande from his speech at yesterday's march: "I condem the "liberals who are disrespecting us. To whites, we are saying enough is enough."...

Whites? What the heck does "whites" have to do with the issue when he uses it in that all-encompassing way????

Well it works, that's why they use it. As soon as you accuse a white person of racism in this country they freeze and all energy to debate the issue escapes them. It's the ultimate trump card, the race card. Mbeki used it all the time to shut Tony Leon up. Sad but true. As for Blade he's an idiot who is always using innuendos against anyone remotely opposed to the SACP or ANC, you see the one he pulled on the public protector over Mdluli?

 

[blunomore]

Well it works, that's why they use it. As soon as you accuse a white person of racism in this country they freeze and all energy to debate the issue escapes them. It's the ultimate trump card, the race card. Mbeki used it all the time to shut Tony Leon up. Sad but true. As for Blade he's an idiot who is always using innuendos against anyone remotely opposed to the SACP or ANC, you see the one he pulled on the public protector over Mdluli?

The anc ought to learn to play the grace card instead of the race card. It takes someone special to do that, though.

 

[STS]

Poor idiot me.

you're a good guy Cerebrus, i'm talking about other people who lie about being an atheist in the first place

 

[grok]

The ANC relies to a large extent on a historically emotional vote to maintain a significant majority in South African politics.

That is all. The ANC needs to keep the wounds fresh & hatred alive so they, as liberators, can count on the 'angry black vote'. You'll probably find they lifted that strategy from some book on revolutionary tactics somewhere. Why else do you think Malema was such an useful idiot?

What is actually happening isn't that people are turning into full blown racists as the author stated, but more & more people are becoming less sympathetic to the cause (of blacks). Lots of people I know are, and I don't blame them.

Which ironically means their plan is working :wtf:

 

[HideInLight]

That is all. The ANC needs to keep the wounds fresh & hatred alive so they, as liberators, can count on the 'angry black vote'. You'll probably find they lifted that strategy from some book on revolutionary tactics somewhere. Why else do you think Malema was such an useful idiot?

What is actually happening isn't that people are turning into full blown racists as the author stated, but more & more people are becoming less sympathetic to the cause (of blacks). Lots of people I know are, and I don't blame them.

Which ironically means their plan is working :wtf:

Less sympathetic is the right word, when it comes to ANC supporters, to be more specific Zuma supporters. If someone like Moeletsi was president, appropriate highly educated and intelligent people ran the county and corrupt officials were dealth with swiftly and effectively I might of been able to respect the ANC, but atm they're just a bad joke to me.

Things need to change, that's all there is to it.

 

[OzzieCapie]

And everyone said it was wrong and we all agreed. Yet now its apparently OK when the ANC acts like this?

No it isn't OK, who said it was?. I just responded to a quote made here and gave a comparison to an apparently incredulous comment.
Now regarding your first sentence, no you didn't all agree. Changed world circumstances - mostly relating to the support of west during cold war-forced the govt back to the table and forced them to become democratic because the alternatives would have been economically and socially drastic.
I didn't see many NP supporters - ok whites- at Grand Parade in Feb 1990 cheering, but I did gain the impression that they weren't all that pleased.

>90% != 100% so uh... yeah... it is. :erm:

So hence I cannot generalise? Can one only do so if it is 100%? These days most apparently were in the <10% or would have been had they been old enough, wow.

The point I made in the earlier post, is that the disengenuity is patently obvious. The ANC and the blacks can see that there is only 'reluctant acceptance' by most rather than genuine tolerance. I can see it when I come back, and I see it here in general.

Now , it is not right that they do it, but the attitude that they so obviously see makes it very easy for the ANC to drum up continued hatred. You just make yourselves sitting ducks....and stuff like a provacative painting just facilitates that.

...just to digress slightly.

On a personal level when people say things about a person because of perceptions, then often that person will say 'but I am not like that", which may be true, but most likely on reflection that person will find something that they do that causes the perception and reaction to it. On a group level that is the same, but harder to change.

cheers

 

[Apache]

to survive in sa you must be realistic about race. But to acknowledge racial differences can also make you a racist... So just keep opinions to yourself. I was lifting a couple of 10 year olds the other day and they came accross as racist, but they also know to keep quiet around other races.

 

[buyeye]

A lot of members are forgeting that the big voter base the ANC has benefited immencely from bantu education as they were lucky to get to std 6 , they also enjoy the best treatment as domestic workers and gardeners and digging trenches.
They also cling to the hope that a "black" government would treat them better.

The ANC would like to claim that they are responsible for the growth of the black middle class but would it not have grown if entry to unis was open to everyone ?

The fact is it was not for a greater part of the 20 th century.
The people who are domestics and gardeners and dig trenches are children of people who did the same work and never had money to go to a good school nevermind uni.
Now I ask fellow forum members how shall we convience those people to vote for a"white " political party?
We shall start by calling them stupid , yes that should work.

 

[porchrat]

So hence I cannot generalise?

Only if you want to be honest and accurate yes.

Can one only do so if it is 100%?

You can't generalise if it is actually 100%, Duh.

These days most apparently were in the <10% or would have been had they been old enough, wow.

No idea. I think I was 8 when democracy came to this country so I was far too busy playing to worry about politics and so was not very aware of what was going on in society at the time. I remember people being excited and happy but that is about the extent of my awareness. As a result I cannot reliably comment.

I'd like to think that most folks in our society today would support a society in which we are all free and equal. The times have changed.