Ubuntu- my 2c

[Swift-wp]

Exactly. That's why we want him to provide evidence and elaborate. This is bugging me now.

 

[hawker]

Doublepost, mods plse remove.

 

[hawker]

Good thing he isn't on ubuntuforums.org.

They wouldn't have had any mercy.

Exactly. That's why we want him to provide evidence and elaborate. This is bugging me now.

Exactly, one can't make a claim like that without substantiating it.

Edit: plse excuse double post.

 

[Swift-wp]

Methinks we have someone who knows not whereof he speaketh.

The IT guys at his office probly told him that to get rid of him.

LOL. Could be.

 

[LazyLion]

I think I found him!

he must have written this....

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=30680

 

[hawker]

Haha! I saw those on ubuntuforums.org

Very good...btw, have you finished compiling programs level 7 yet?

 

[LazyLion]

Haha! I saw those on ubuntuforums.org

Very good...btw, have you finished compiling programs level 7 yet?

Yikes!!!!!!! The only thing I ever compiled in my life was a list of traffic tickets!!! I'll let others do the compiling for me... I'm strictly a binaries man myself!

 

[koffiejunkie]

1) Wifi management under Ubuntu is not great. It may be the network manager, or the fact that it is a Broadcom card, but where I struggle on Ubuntu, on Vista I dont.

There are two drivers that can make the broadcom chipsets work. First there was only ndiswrapper, a wrapper for the windows driver. This works very well, but requires you to have the windows drivers handy, and has some shortcomings in terms of ACPI (suspend/resume, etc). Then came the free/oss reverse engineered bcm43xx driver. Which frankly suck. It has poor range, poor power management. On the upside, it can do monitor mode (i.e. sniff the neighbour's traffic) which ndiswrapper can't.

disclaimer: my notebook that has a broadcom chip in has been dead for a year, and I've been using an atheros card since, so my information might be somewhat old, but I believe the bcm43xx driver is still far from perfect, especially on newer chips.

2) The whole terminal aspect. Yes you need to adjust, but if the aim is attract market share, the average user is always going to be uncomfortable after switching from a more streamlined OS to a text based interface where none of the commands make sense.

It irony is once you get a real good grip on the commands, the windows commands make less sense every time you use them To be serious, Windows has a commandline interface too, which has limited use when troubleshooting networking, for example.

Saying this, would it be possible to sticky a list of common commands and a brief explanation in the linux sub forum? I know its on the net, but a lot of people are going to start their searches on mybb first.

Good idea. I'd be happy to contribute, although I don't work with Ubuntu much, so I can only give you the generic stuff.

If that command I gave you earlier does not work, try: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766560 (not an easy follow)

+1
Stick to ndiswrapper - it's worth the trouble.

Please explain what makes Ubuntu vulnerable? Is it only Ubuntu or all the distros as well?

He is referring to the OpenSSL vulnerability in Debian and distributions based on Debian. Here's the debian version and the ubuntu version. Of course, both had fixes released almost instantly, so he's a little behind the times.

For what it's worth, any operating system can be compromised in minutes if the attacker knows enough about what he's up against. A firewall is only really useful if it controls both incoming and outgoing traffic. It is also only one layer (of several) of security. You can all the firewalls you want, if you are, for example, running Joomla/Mambo, with all files belonging to the user that the webserver runs as, and set world writeable, you're more likely than not already helping to spread the word about quality replicas, penis enlargers and pre-approved mortgages.

 

[JazzeD]

Here is a link of the SSL vulnerability.
But it has been fixed.
Just "sudo apt get update" and "sudo apt get upgrade"

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-critical-openssl-ruby-vulnerabilities.html

 

[LazyLion]

Here is a link of the SSL vulnerability.
But it has been fixed.
Just "sudo apt get update" and "sudo apt get upgrade"

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-critical-openssl-ruby-vulnerabilities.html

but fortunately Ubuntu offers to upgrade all by itself

 

[PaddyTM]

+1
Stick to ndiswrapper - it's worth the trouble.

I'm under the impression impression that it is better to use the reverse engineered solution rather than the workaround which handles black listed hardware i.e ndiswrapper ??

I know the bcm43 has been upgraded now, with (in theory) better firmware management. Not entirely sure myself.

...you're more likely than not already helping to spread the word about quality replicas, penis enlargers and pre-approved mortgages

All my favourite things.

I'd be happy to contribute, although I don't work with Ubuntu much, so I can only give you the generic stuff

How different are the basic commands?

I'm trying out my first multi quote post...

 

[koffiejunkie]

I'm under the impression impression that it is better to use the reverse engineered solution rather than the workaround which handles black listed hardware i.e ndiswrapper ??

Depends on what you consider "better" - if you want to figure out the neighbours' WEP key, yeah, then the bcm43xx is better. Otherwise, I'll stick to ndiswrapper. What you might encounter is, if your hardware is very new, ndiswrapper might not yet support your card's windows drivers that well. That happened to me when I just got my HP (or was it because I was running gentoo - not sure?), but they release pretty often, so that's not much of an issue. I still prefer using my Netgear (atheros) PCMCIA card, but the built-in ones do tend to have better range, thanks to the big antenna.

...you're more likely than not already helping to spread the word about quality replicas, penis enlargers and pre-approved mortgages.

All my favourite things.

How different are the basic commands?

They're not different - the basic stuff are the same on all distros. There are just some ubuntu specific stuff, such as

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras

where ubuntu-restricted-extras is an ubuntu specific software collection, but

sudo iwconfig wlan0

is generic and would work on any linux distro assuming your wireless device is wifi0.

Some generic stuffy you may be insterested in:

ifconfig

Shows you your network devices, their addresses and some basic stats

iwconfig

Shows you your wireless devices with some more information that is specific to wireless devices

uptime

How long your machine has been running and the average load at the moment

wget -t0 -c URL

Downloads a file, continues if interrupted, and retries indefinitely. If this is not installed, run

apt-get install wget

wall "jou ma se e-pos"

Sends a friendly message to all consoles - open two terminals side by side and try it!

smbclient -L IP_ADDRESS

Shows you the SMB shares (windows file sharing) on another machine. You may need a username/password. It will even show you the hidden shares, if there are any.

iptables -L -n

Shows you the firewall rules.

route -n

Shows you your network routes (e.g. your default gateway)

rsync -av /home/yourname/* /media/externaldisc/bacup/

syncs the content of /home/yourname/ (i.e. your home directory where 'yourname' is your username) to a 'backup' directory on an external drive, assuming the external drive is at /media/externaldisc/ - it might be somewhere else, depending on the volume name of the disc and your distro. The cool thing about this is, when you do it again tomorrow, it will only copy what's new or changed. This won't delete anything off the external disc if you have deleted it from your home dir. To do that, do

rsync -av --delete /home/yourname/* /media/externaldisc/bacup/

Most of the above assumes that you are root, not a regular user. If you're running ubuntu, you'll need to prefix it with 'sudo'. With most other distros, you can type 'su -' and type the root password, which would make you root and load up root's environment variables, including the PATH.

 

[flarkit]

Methinks koffiejunkie consumes too much of that evil dark liquid!

But seriously, awesome posts there mate. Very helpful bits for the CLI-inexperienced persons

 

[w1z4rd]

Well I just wanted to let you know that if you using Ubuntu on a server or computer and you go online. You can be hacked within a few seconds. I work for an SSL company and Ubuntu is a big no-no.

You are talking rubbish... want some toilet paper for that mouth? At a recent hacking desktop competition, Ubuntu... vs Mac and MS.. was the only OS to come out bullet proof. A b0xs security is only as good as its admin.. so now I know.. your admins SUCK.

 

[Swift-wp]

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-critical-openssl-ruby-vulnerabilities.html

You are talking rubbish... want some toilet paper for that mouth? At a recent hacking desktop competition, Ubuntu... vs Mac and MS.. was the only OS to come out bullet proof. A b0xs security is only as good as its admin.. so now I know.. your admins SUCK.

According to that link, it's Hardy that was affected, and if I remember correctly the competition was before Hardy was released. At least i can set my mind to rest now knowing that it has been patched.

 

[sn3rd]

For the newly enlightened: For a good read, browse through Slackware Unleashed. Gives you some good insight into the basic linux commands, and was my first forage into the world of the terminal.

 

[Threepwood]

Also, what is a SSL company?

Maybe an SSL company is just a company that doesn't want you using Linux?

I too, would like to know why Ubuntu is so exploitable, and, if it is, why in Ubuntu circles no-one seems much worried about it.

A simple google for "ubutnu exploit" throws up a few results, but I can't see anything remarkable just from the "hit list", I'm not reading through all that.

 

[hawker]

Why doesn't he reply?

Oh well, Ubuntu is innocent until proven guilty - not like Windoze.

 

[PaddyTM]

I see that he's looking to get hold of distros though ("Where can I download Linux operating system?").

Whole thing seems a bit odd.

 

[hawker]

Hmmm,that is rather odd.

The plot thickens...