UK Elections 2016

[TriGuN]

So the Celts then, before the Anglo Saxons pitched up? The Anglo Saxons were the immigrants of the time

Wow. Is this supposed to pass for an argument? Everyone is an immigrant because "out of Africa", right?

Also, go look up the results of genetic testing. "Replacement theory" where English people are Anglo Saxon invaders has been debunked by science. Anglo Saxons had a small genetic impact on the British isles, other invasions had practically no impact, and were basically overwhelmed by the native gene pool.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Wow. Is this supposed to pass for an argument? Everyone is an immigrant because "out of Africa", right?

Also, go look up the results of genetic testing. "Replacement theory" where English people are Anglo Saxon invaders has been debunked by science. Anglo Saxons had a small genetic impact on the British isles, other invasions had practically no impact, and were basically overwhelmed by the native gene pool.

Well, just continuing your lame excuses for arguments. You should be impressed

 

[Xarog]

As is China, and Russia compared to the liberal west. Problem, bro?

I'm not the one espousing principles that threaten Western freedom.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Why would I ignore it? I'm rather enjoying it.


I haven't been following UK politics lately. About the only conclusion I can draw is that Scotland really didn't like the way the referendum turned out wrt the Labour Party's behaviour.

I think it goes deeper than that. The SNP are typically left policy wise, same as labour on a lot of issues, so are a direct competitor, yet are pro independence like 40%+ of the voters. SNP actually won 46.5% of the vote, not far off from the Referendum results

So if you are centre, centre right or right leaning, the Conservatives are the only alternate option.

And If you are a unionist, voting tactically has now become a thing. So to keep the SNP out, unionist voters who used to vote labour are voting Conservative in areas where Labour support has been scavenged so badly by the SNP that the only way of keeping the SNP out is to vote Conservative.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Just a quick note: Much congratulations to the Greens, they have gained 4 seats in Holyrood and now have 6 seats. That's an increase of 200%.

That makes them the 4th largest party in Scotland, taking over from the Lib Dems who remained on 5 seats

 

[OrbitalDawn]

liberty!= liberal.

Liberty is the opposite of tyranny. If you don't worry about liberty then you should feel right at home in the Middle East. They're very authoritarian, you know.

The mistake you make is thinking he's opposed to tyranny.

 

[TriGuN]

Just a quick note: Much congratulations to the Greens, they have gained 4 seats in Holyrood and now have 6 seats. That's an increase of 200%.

I'll second that. If there is one country in Europe that deserves more Green "politicians", it's Scotland.
Long have they talked about their dreams of becoming Sweden.

#Independence
#ProgressiveAlliance
#MakeItHappen

 

[Dave]

Wow. Is this supposed to pass for an argument? Everyone is an immigrant because "out of Africa", right?

Also, go look up the results of genetic testing. "Replacement theory" where English people are Anglo Saxon invaders has been debunked by science. Anglo Saxons had a small genetic impact on the British isles, other invasions had practically no impact, and were basically overwhelmed by the native gene pool.

Really?

Some science seems to say otherwise.

In contrast to the research of Tyrrell and Lloyd-Jones, a recent genetic study has suggested that there may, after all, have been a substantial Anglo-Saxon contribution to the modern English gene pool - i.e. a large-scale population movement or immigration in the early Anglo-Saxon period.

3.8. Weale et al. tested alternative migratory models by collecting samples from living individuals in seven towns along an east-west transect of Central England and North Wales, in order to evaluate evidence of local genetic transitions, or male population migration (2002:1009). Data were compared with data from Friesland (thought to be one of the geographical sources for Anglo-Saxon invasion) and Norway (a source of Viking invaders) in order to look for evidence of continental immigration.

3.9. The results of analysis of genetic distance and population differentiation show that there were no significant within-England clinal patterns. In contrast, the two North Wales towns were found to differ significantly from each other as well as from the Central English towns. Even more importantly (from an Anglo-Saxon perspective), no significant differences were found between the Friesland and the Central England towns, whilst comparisons between Central England towns and Norway are (with just one exception, possibly explicable by small sample size) all significant. North Wales towns are statistically different from both the Friesland and Norway samples. As Weale et al. suggest, "[t]aken together, these results suggest considerable male-line commonality between Central England and Friesland." ( ibid. :1017) The lack of similarities between the Norway and Central England samples fail to provide any evidence of a substantial Norwegian Viking contribution to the Central English gene pool ( ibid .).

3.10. Weale et al. surmise that their results "indicate the presence of a strong genetic barrier between Central England and North Wales and the virtual absence of a barrier between Central England and Friesland." ( ibid. :1018) They conclude that the most likely explanation for this `barrier' is that "the Anglo-Saxon cultural transition in Central England coincided with a mass immigration event from the continent. Such an event would simultaneously explain both the high Central English-Frisian affinity and the low Central English-North Welsh affinity." ( ibid .) They note further that within the given parameters of the study, "an Anglo-Saxon immigration event affecting 50% - 100% of the Central English male gene pool is required [...however] our data do not allow us to distinguish an event that simply added to the indigenous Central English male gene pool from one where indigenous males were displaced elsewhere or where indigenous males were reduced in number" ( ibid .).

http://community.dur.ac.uk/anthropology.journal/vol13/iss1/russell/

Sorry that doesn't follow your racial purity agenda.

 

[Xarog]

The mistake you make is thinking he's opposed to tyranny.

Actually I was merely trying to point out to him that he can't speak in favour of what makes Western civilisation great and tyranny at the same time.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Actually I was merely trying to point out to him that he can't speak in favour of what makes Western civilisation great and tyranny at the same time.

He thinks moving away from tyranny is part of the decline of Western civilization. IIRC he doesn't give a hoot about the idea of civil liberties and government control over citizens' lives should increase dramatically.

 

[Dave]

Actually I was merely trying to point out to him that he can't speak in favour of what makes Western civilisation great and tyranny at the same time.

Well, he can, there doesn't appear to be much logic behind a lot of his argument so to expect logic in this case is just being over hopeful on your part.

 

[TriGuN]

Really?

Some science seems to say otherwise.



http://community.dur.ac.uk/anthropology.journal/vol13/iss1/russell/

Sorry that doesn't follow your racial purity agenda.

I said they made a small genetic contribution and that "replacement theory" has been debunked.
The English are genetically Anglo-Saxon about as much as African Americans are genetically European.

As for racial purity.. it's all European, I guess you mean ethnic purity.. or something..
Like I said, I prefer East Asians, and my children will be mixed. That's how much I care about my racial/ethnic purity.

My father did some research and he thinks it's likely that our surname has Danish origins. I quite like the idea of being part Danish conquerer, but in reality it's probably a lot less than I wish it was. It's far more likely that I have more native genes than Anglo Saxon genes, like just about everyone else in England.

Funny how you use an old study, when the most comprehensive study ever done had its results published in 2015 and it answered a lot of questions and put numerous theories to bed. You can't have missed it.

As for those pockets of celts that survived the supposed "Anglo-Saxon holocaust", it turns out that they have more in common genetically with the "non celts" than they do with each other. So, they aren't even a group. That's all just made up.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

 

[TriGuN]

Western civilisation great

Once upon a time

 

[Xarog]

Once upon a time

I take it you long for the days of the British Empire?

 

[Dave]

I said they made a small genetic contribution and that "replacement theory" has been debunked.
The English are genetically Anglo-Saxon about as much as African Americans are genetically European.


https://www.theguardian.com/science...-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

lol

You very own link says:

The Romans, Vikings and Normans may have ruled or invaded the British for hundreds of years, but they left barely a trace on our DNA, the first detailed study of the genetics of British people has revealed.

The analysis shows that the Anglo-Saxons were the only conquering force, around 400-500 AD, to substantially alter the country’s genetic makeup, with most white British people now owing almost 30% of their DNA to the ancestors of modern-day Germans.

People living in southern and central England today typically share about 40% of their DNA with the French, 11% with the Danes and 9% with the Belgians, the study of more than 2,000 people found.

Those African Americans you mention must be pretty European then...

You got any more links to help disprove your ridiculous racial purity theories then, Mein Herr?

 

[Dave]

I take it you long for the days of the British Empire?

There were plenty of black, brown and mixed citizens of the British Empire, I think it's a more recent attempt at empire he yearns after...

 

[Xarog]

There were plenty of black, brown and mixed citizens of the British Empire, I think it's a more recent attempt at empire he yearns after...

Right, but I can't see how anyone would think that fascists made any kind of meaningful contribution to civilisation...

 

[Dave]

Right, but I can't see how anyone would think that fascists made any kind of meaningful contribution to civilisation...

They attempted to keep the bloodline pure, that's something to be admired in the eyes of some people

 

[Hamish McPanji]

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My father did some research and he thinks it's likely that our surname has Danish origins.

Ahh...that explains it. There always a section of the immigrant population that have the most anti immigrant stances.

I feel for you man, being a non native British in the current political climate. Having to choose between outing yourself, or joining the crowds and pointing to the more obvious looking immigrants.

I won't judge, I understand.

 

[Xarog]

They attempted to keep the bloodline pure, that's something to be admired in the eyes of some people

Personally I'm rather proud of my neanderthal heritage.