Uncapped ADSL

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I've read some of the comments on the so called new ADSL packages from MWEB and @lantic. South African public is been lead by their noses with these offers. Have anybody wondered why a person with a 384 line pays less for his uncapped data than a person with a 4096 line. The cost of data should not depend on the speed of the adsl line. I don't pay more for airtime whether I have HSPDA or 3G. I pay the same prize. Currently I don't pay more for the data part on my adsl line. I pay more for renting the line from Telkom, but a set amount for the data whether it is 384, 512 or 4096 line. The cost of the 4096 uncapped is R899 (R419 line rental), and for 384 is R349 of which R219 is for data and the rest for line rental. The rest of that amount is for Data. If I buy petrol I pay the some prize for the petrol at the pump whether I drive a Beetle or Ferrarri. Charging more for uncapped data because I have a fast modem is crazy. I already pay my dues for renting a faster line. Can anybody give me a logical answer
 
Compare the amount of data you can transfer per month with a 4mbps account against a 384kbps account. That data has to be provided by your ISP at a cost per MB to them. You can't expect to pay the same amount for a service that can pull 1TB and one that can pull 90GB -- that's an order of magnitude difference. How far will each of your cars go on the same amount of petrol? The line rental is the the line speed, not the data throughput.
 
Another noob... ok there is a lot of threads about it already but here is the simple explanation:

An internet connection is like a water pipeline... the wider the pipeline the more water can move through it in a set amount of time. ISP's are like water providers, if they say they will fill that pipeline 24/7 for you it will obviously cost more to fill a wide pipeline than a narrow one.

Next time try not to be such an ass with your first post...
 
Yeah, you have to rent the size of pipe you want and then pay for the amount of water you use. Duh :erm:
 
I have read your responses and you have just proven my point that we have been lead by our noses for so long that we believe this crab and we even defend it. Have you guys really thought about your responses? What is the meaning of uncap? What is the reason for implementing uncapped adsl? The true meaning of uncapped is that the cap or limited access to data over the internet are no lifted, in other that the floodgates have been lifted and that everybody can get access to the water. You are not limited to a 3GB or 5GB or 1GB cap or shaped internet data access. You are not paying for the amount of water that you use, but you have an unlimited access to the water irrespective of the size of the pipe, but you do have to pay to gain access.

A guy who works from home has a wife an three teenagers each with a desktop or laptop and a wireless network, use his 384 line to dwnload music, videos, photos, twitter, facebook, skype with his family in Australia etc. almost 24/7 in effect can download more than a guy who has a regular job, comes home at 6 and spend 3 hours on the web and although having a 4096 line downloads less data, music and movies than his buddy on the 384 line. But Buddy 384 pays almost 2 1/2 times less for his data than buddy 4096. You and I know that you rarely get 4096 speed on your line. Know you pay more for the size of the pipe and the amount that you use, while buddy 384 only pay less for the size of the pipe as well as the amount that he use.

"What is a cap ~ A cap is the amount of traffic or Gigs per service a subscriber may use or consume over a given period, and is determined by the product you have subscribed to initially. An example would be 3,4 or 5 Gig. "Capping has no relation to the ADSL speed that you have chosen." Quote from Telkomsa.net.

Thinking about uncapped asks for a mindshift that the majority of you guys can't even comprehend (especcally "duh"). When the Seacom line landed, and there are at least 3 others on their way the cost of data and the availability of data fell like rotten apples from the tree. Therefore it is possible for stakeholders to start bringing uncapped to South Africa. Uncapped means not putting a cap/limit the the availibility of data.

If that is true then that means you are not suppose to pay for the amount of water, just for the access to the water and therefore download speed plays no part in calculating the price. Justin Spratt recently wrote an article about this on TECHCENTRAL under uncapped adsl is a con. If (duh) ever read something else than the comics in the toilet, read this and try and follow his argument and you will see that what he as well as what I say does have merit. To make it easy here is the link

Local ISP's fear bandwidth hogs normally using high speed modems and therefore supercharge these users from the word go. In this case it would beter to make caps bigger and not to promise uncapped service but limiting the use and users immediately because they have faster lines. Rather put a products on the market for 10G, 15G, 20G up to 100GB at different rates irrespectice of the speed of the modem but at reduce costs. That would make more sence than advertising uncapped adsl but supercharging high speed adsl line users.
 
You are possibly confusing UNCAPPED and UNLIMITED.

BTW: I did read the article.
 
jmrone said:
A guy who works from home has a wife an three teenagers each with a desktop or laptop and a wireless network, use his 384 line to dwnload music, videos, photos, twitter, facebook, skype with his family in Australia etc. almost 24/7 in effect can download more than a guy who has a regular job, comes home at 6 and spend 3 hours on the web and although having a 4096 line downloads less data, music and movies than his buddy on the 384 line. But Buddy 384 pays almost 2 1/2 times less for his data than buddy 4096. You and I know that you rarely get 4096 speed on your line. Know you pay more for the size of the pipe and the amount that you use, while buddy 384 only pay less for the size of the pipe as well as the amount that he use.
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384 line? Buddy A has made a poor choice and should expect a "non-broadband" experience.

4096 is a best effort service - you are guaranteed 640kbps and that is very clearly stated in the T&C's.
 
You pay more for Broadband Advanced than you do for Broadband Standard (Vodacom wise). So in essence you buy more airtime...
 
You are paying different prices for the speed of your line, and you are paying Telkom different prices for the rental of your line. It really is as simple as that. Separate the line RENTAL from the ACCOUNT. You have not made some major discovery here -- you have not suddenly determined that the entire ADSL industry is a sham.

Telkom charges you for the LINE. MWeb, Afrihost, whatever allow you to move as much data as you want over the line at a certain speed. You want a faster speed (so you can pull MORE) then pay more.

You pay the government taxes for the type of road you want (tar road or sand road) and you then buy the speed of car you want (account). Petrol is unlimited (uncapped). Take your slow car on the sand road and drive as much as you want. Take your sports car on the tar road and drive as much as you want. Simple. No conspiracy.

You will of course be able to travel FURTHER (download more) with your fast car on the tar roads than with your slow car on the sand road. Both are uncapped (unlimited petrol).

So yes, in essence, we are still "capped" by the amount we can download a month -- how far we can travel in a month.

The only way to get absolute pure "uncapped" would be to have a line so fast that you could download the entire INTERNET in less than a month.
 
SabreWolfy said:
The only way to get absolute pure "uncapped" would be to have a line so fast that you could download the entire INTERNET in less than a month.
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I want this line:D Somebody put Seacom fibre into my lounge. Can anybody lend me some HDD's. Ah screw it just plug it into my brain.
Oh and Please stop feeding this moron. He has done 0 research on the site or about ISP's and their costs and on post number 1 attacks the industry.

I don't mind guys asking this inane question but coming out aggressively should get you a f%$^ o## response!
 
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If you don't like it you can do it your way and go back to paying per gig and then they won't care about your line speed.
 
jmrone said:
Local ISP's fear bandwidth hogs normally using high speed modems and therefore supercharge these users from the word go. In this case it would beter to make caps bigger and not to promise uncapped service but limiting the use and users immediately because they have faster lines. Rather put a products on the market for 10G, 15G, 20G up to 100GB at different rates irrespectice of the speed of the modem but at reduce costs. That would make more sence than advertising uncapped adsl but supercharging high speed adsl line users.
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You're right. However there is a catch. Many of these accounts include line rental and MWEB controls the price per line and it's dependent on speed. If we could only get away from that and ISPs wouldn't have to pay Telkom for traffic then we could get true uncapped. You do have a valid point however.
 
moggie said:
You are possibly confusing UNCAPPED and UNLIMITED.

BTW: I did read the article.
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UNCAPPED and UNLIMITED are the same thing.

However he is correct. Overseas you don't pay for the speed on wired products- you pay for the type of package - eg Residential or Business and if there are any value add-ons, eg Package 1 includes cable TV and Package 2 does not.
Business has service level guarantees, has 24/7 support, has 99% uptime guarantee, perhaps a lower user contention ratio etc.
 
PeterCH said:
Business has service level guarantees, has 24/7 support, has 99% uptime guarantee, perhaps a lower user contention ratio etc.
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As far as I'm aware there are no SLA's on ADSL. If you want that, they advise you to get diginet.

If I'm wrong. link me please :D Know a few folks who would be interested but as far as I know ADSL is a best effor service and the only advantage of business over res is unshaped and very low contention ratios ( 1:3 etc vs 1:20 )
 
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