Uncapped Ruined The Internet

xrapidx said:
And in other news, unlimited tanks of fuel ruined the roads....

(only car analogy I could think of :()
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And a bad one at that.

Too many cars on a road will indeed ruin it, just go for a drive to cape town or jo'burg 7:00am on a weekday.
 
I agree with you Pooky.

Back in the day when you got 3GB (about 2 years ago?) on the standard Telkom ISP accounts, things were just dandy.
Then Telkom upped the caps to 5GB. All of a sudden I started experiencing throughput and latency issues....it got better a little bit but not much.
Then! Telkom upped the caps once more to 9GB and all of a sudden throughput and latency was totally pathetic.
I can see a trend at my place....beginning of the month internet is pathetic; middle of the month its acceptable and then at the end of the month it gets really pathetic again. Obviously because people are now burning the remainder of their cap.

Its not really uncapped's fault or the upping of caps, its Telkom that cannot manage their broadband infrastructure! They see money and don't really give a **** about quality of the service....its a "best effort" product after all. They'll push the envelope as far as they can since the majority of users won't even notice (because they're clueless/not tech savvy). They care about their copper, no doubt there!

So, don't blame uncapped....blame Telkom. May their copper network oxidize away....
 
Solitude said:
I don't have uncapped but it looks like I may be suffering the consequences of everyone downloading. My exchange is apparently congested and that's why in the evenings I get terrible speeds and latency. So yes I agree with Pooky. The idea of uncapped is great but in some places the infrastructure wasn't ready. Or Telkom is lying and just doesn't want to fix my line.
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In what area do you live ? Sounds like you and I experience the same BS.
 
Solitude said:
I don't have uncapped but it looks like I may be suffering the consequences of everyone downloading. My exchange is apparently congested and that's why in the evenings I get terrible speeds and latency. So yes I agree with Pooky. The idea of uncapped is great but in some places the infrastructure wasn't ready. Or Telkom is lying and just doesn't want to fix my line.
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Definitely I have the same thing.
 
So Pooky why not just buy capped then? The Internet are not ruined, it's the greedy ISP's that are "ruined" or are ruining he Internet experience. They are stupid as like everything else they will fade away due to competition as the next step would be to supply unruined Internet to the consumers.
 
I am Penguin said:
So Pooky why not just buy capped then?
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AFAIK the problem is that capped users end up in the same 'swamp' as uncapped, either because of congestion at the exchange/DSLAM level (Telkom ADSL monopoly), or because bandwidth is pooled into one route (MWeb-SEACOM), with only partly (in)effective 'shaping' rules.

The internet is a shared resource (like water and electricity), IMO there is no way to get value-for-money and optimal user experience, without some degree of cross-subsidisation.

This is not just a local problem. In the USA major ISP's would like to charge differently for high-priority traffic, but are stopped from doing so by FCC net-neutrality rules.
 
I am Penguin said:
So Pooky why not just buy capped then? The Internet are not ruined, it's the greedy ISP's that are "ruined" or are ruining he Internet experience. They are stupid as like everything else they will fade away due to competition as the next step would be to supply unruined Internet to the consumers.
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Gordon_R said:
AFAIK the problem is that capped users end up in the same 'swamp' as uncapped, either because of congestion at the exchange/DSLAM level (Telkom ADSL monopoly), or because bandwidth is pooled into one route (MWeb-SEACOM), with only partly (in)effective 'shaping' rules.

The internet is a shared resource (like water and electricity), IMO there is no way to get value-for-money and optimal user experience, without some degree of cross-subsidisation.

This is not just a local problem. In the USA major ISP's would like to charge differently for high-priority traffic, but are stopped from doing so by FCC net-neutrality rules.
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Yeah I have tried capped products as well, compared to what I was experiencing before, they are also not very good.
 
My internet experience has not changed with all these uncapped offerings.

No difference at all.

Zero change!

Which is kinda boring to be honest, but at least I don't have anything to complain about. Not at the moment at least.
 
I have uncapped at home and capped in the office and haven't noticed any difference. The office is as quick as ever and though downloads at home are shaped there are ways of not contravening the rules while maxing out the line.
 
So i'm tired of being throttled for the second month in a row with Afrihost (last month @20GB - a mistake which they corrected), and this month at 29GB.

Can anyone here tell me when MWEB starts throttling users on a 4Mb account? Is it after 30GB? I'm considering a capped 100GB account with Afrihost, but perhaps MWEB uncapped is bettter?
 
shogun said:
Can anyone here tell me when MWEB starts throttling users on a 4Mb account? Is it after 30GB? I'm considering a capped 100GB account with Afrihost, but perhaps MWEB uncapped is bettter?
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They do not throttle they have systems in place that restrict high end users during the day from about 8am till about 9pm at night. They target p2p and other highend dowloading stuff.
But after about 9pm your speed kicks in and you have rather high downloads.
Normal HTTP and other stuff is not throttled at all.
I have a 384 uncapped account and easily download about 1gig a day, more on weekends. That is when i am actually downloading stuff.
The big thing for me is game play, games like battlefield etc use a ton of bandwidth to regularly play. With uncapped I never have to worry :)
 
SHVAK said:
They do not throttle they have systems in place that restrict high end users during the day from about 8am till about 9pm at night. They target p2p and other highend dowloading stuff.
But after about 9pm your speed kicks in and you have rather high downloads.
Normal HTTP and other stuff is not throttled at all.
I have a 384 uncapped account and easily download about 1gig a day, more on weekends. That is when i am actually downloading stuff.
The big thing for me is game play, games like battlefield etc use a ton of bandwidth to regularly play. With uncapped I never have to worry :)
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Thanks... so does anyone know what they term as a high end user? If i'm hitting 30 - 40gigs a month (relatively evenly spread) is that high use? Most bandwidth used during day time - no p2p... just web browsing, skype, email, and the occasional msdn software download (via http).
 
I'm also loving my uncapped, download as much as I want/need and could do far more, with browsing still about as good as on capped. No ways I would ever go back.
 
shogun said:
Thanks... so does anyone know what they term as a high end user? If i'm hitting 30 - 40gigs a month (relatively evenly spread) is that high use? Most bandwidth used during day time - no p2p... just web browsing, skype, email, and the occasional msdn software download (via http).
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What he was trying to say is that it doesn't matter how much you use, P2P etc downloads are shaped as much for someone using 1Gb as they are for someone pulling 1Tb. Http is never shaped, generally full speed. And 30-40Gb is pretty low usage on a 4Mb account.
 
Alestorm said:
What he was trying to say is that it doesn't matter how much you use, P2P etc downloads are shaped as much for someone using 1Gb as they are for someone pulling 1Tb. Http is never shaped, generally full speed. And 30-40Gb is pretty low usage on a 4Mb account.
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Ah... I understand now:P Thanks... this looks appealing.
 
shogun said:
Ah... I understand now:P Thanks... this looks appealing.
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Still, if you're definitely only using say 40GB max a capped account would perform better, if you can get it at a decent price. But knowing that you can download as much as you want is handy too, you'll probably end up downloading more if you can.
 
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