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Uncapped, unshapped Iburst Cost?
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nocilah
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just got home... nevr thought something could be slower then sentech... ha ha ha
atleast WBS are acknowledging that there is a problem..
atleast WBS are acknowledging that there is a problem..
nocilah
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gigtech said:
weird.. it comes and goes over here like a fever..
Uncapped, Unshaped 1Mbps wireless..... hmmmm.... R500/mo
Although i wouldn't immediately move to a provider who provides uncapped services cos everyone will be raping the connection for all its worth, what with all those Spongebob episodes out there.. just look at MyWireless (bless them). For the current capped, shaped iBurst service I wouldn't pay more than R350 unfortunately but the same goes for ADSL and anything else available at the moment.. one should look to offering services comparable in price to first world countries instead of trying to undercut the (limited) competition by tiny bits. The sooner a price war starts the better.. uncapped - not such a good idea though, its a necessary evil.
Although i wouldn't immediately move to a provider who provides uncapped services cos everyone will be raping the connection for all its worth, what with all those Spongebob episodes out there.. just look at MyWireless (bless them). For the current capped, shaped iBurst service I wouldn't pay more than R350 unfortunately but the same goes for ADSL and anything else available at the moment.. one should look to offering services comparable in price to first world countries instead of trying to undercut the (limited) competition by tiny bits. The sooner a price war starts the better.. uncapped - not such a good idea though, its a necessary evil.
nocilah
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I would pay about R1800.00... only if you can guarentee speeds or fault communications.
i wouldnt pay more than R660 for 1mbs uncapped, because thats what iBurst costs elsewhere in the world for an uncapped service (more or less) [check out www.isp.net.au]. I see that in Aus, you can get an entry level iBurst service for AUS$34 - about R150 for 256k and 300Mb, and a choice of being throttled to 64kbs or AUS$0.12 per MB should you go over that. [check out chilli.net.au] Why arent iBurst offering an equivalent service locally! And dont give me that bandwidth cost bull... iBurst only have to pay for international, and its not THAT much more expensive!
ScrnScrm said:
I understand your frustration with SA internet prices but if you are true too your logic then you had better give up looking for any internet access in South Africa.
I presume you do not subscribe to adsl as you can get the 512 adsl in germany for 9.99 euro. You can't be on dial up because local calls in the UK are free. Maybe you are on 3G well At&t will give you unlimited data on your 3g contract for $24.99.
Also please dont advertise these aussie prices too much AUS$ 0.12 per MB is about R0.57 per MB or R589 per GB. WBS may get the wrong idea
Dave, you miss the point that ScrnScrm is making, and if I understand you correctly you imply that ScrnScrm is not in SA (?). It is the consumer's right to state what it is that they want, which IMO ScrnScrm is doing, whilst you're saying roll over & play dead bcos you ain't neva gonna get it. Please correct me if my interpretation is wrong hereDaveogg said:
.The point ScrnScrm is making is that he would not pay more than R660 for uncapped iburst because that is what they pay in Aussie. If you follow that logic to completion he should not pay more than R 85.00 for adsl because that is what he could get it for in Germany or R150 for 3G as that is what at&t offer it at.
I am not implying he should not state what he wants i am just pointing out how unrealistic it is to compare our situation with the rest of the world.
For the record i want uncapped unshaped broadband for R200 per month. I dont care who provides it. I know i will eventually get it, but not soon.
I am not implying he should not state what he wants i am just pointing out how unrealistic it is to compare our situation with the rest of the world.
For the record i want uncapped unshaped broadband for R200 per month. I dont care who provides it. I know i will eventually get it, but not soon.
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Sure, I hear what you're saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I am saying that I hear the same stuff from $izwe, and unless we consumers start demanding stuff now, we are going to be leaving our future in the hands of corporations that do not have an incentive to provide what we want.Daveogg said:
As a consumer, my POV is that I care less whether any company / service provider has a rough time giving me what I want, if a particular company cannot deliver I will find another competing company that can do so. My consumerism message to service providers is:
DO NOT TRY TO MAKE YOUR PROBLEMS MY PROBLEMS, I WILL SIMPLY TAKE MY MONEY TO A COMPANY THAT CAN GIVE ME WHAT I WANT & WHEN I WANT IT & FOR A PRICE THAT I AM PREPARED TO PAY.
Large companies, $izwe's in particular, are operating on the false premise that consumers are by & large still loyal to brands/products/companies - that is fast becoming a thing of the past, for evidence consider why 24 month contracts exist these days...
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what would I pay for uncapped 1 mb?
ok lets do the maths not withstanding the fact that telkom is the worlds most expensive communications provider, a fact proven by hellkom.co.za
I would pay comparatively to what the rest of the world are paying
The swedes are paying $100 for 100 megabit
the americans are paying $30 for 6 Mb cable
6mb/5 =1Mb
so $30/5 = $6
$6 X R5.somechange lets make it R6
so R36 ?
I'd pay triple that cos I'm fair.
ok lets do the maths not withstanding the fact that telkom is the worlds most expensive communications provider, a fact proven by hellkom.co.za
I would pay comparatively to what the rest of the world are paying
The swedes are paying $100 for 100 megabit
the americans are paying $30 for 6 Mb cable
6mb/5 =1Mb
so $30/5 = $6
$6 X R5.somechange lets make it R6
so R36 ?
I'd pay triple that cos I'm fair.
jjtoymachine
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I think we shoul all wait until after the telkom hearing before we say how much we would pay...i'm hoping there are gonna be a few surprises next week.
saying we should pay what the first world countries pay is retarded, no where in the world are market prices figured out like that. It's simple, the higher the demand, the higher the price.... so who offers 1mbit uncapped in South Africa? Nobody. Which means there is a high demand and no supplier so the price will be high. Selling Broadband services is like selling stocks or even tomatoes. If the market is flooded with tomatoes then tomatoes will be dirt cheap however if tomatoes are rare then it will cost you to enjoy them.
It would be a good start - if we do pay what first world countries pay.. Just imagine how many ppl can afford the internet then, R250 for a 512k connection with 3GB cap - school kids can afford that with their pocket money.. small business will do research online and establish more contacts, you name it.. but then again, if Telkom does away with the ADSL line rental then iBurst, Sentech and everyone else is sitting with a huge problem.
oops. let me place some contect on my comments :
a. iBurst payed the same in USD$ for their equipment as the Aussies did.
b. iBurst do not pay local carrier fees (i.o.w. Telkom leased circuits)
c. following on b., their local backhaul is RF.
d. they have the option of purchasing satellite bandwidth at the same price the aussies do - wouldnt you settle for an uncapped service going via satellite????
e. the pricing for the 1mbs 3GB cap service is in line with what some of the aussie networks charge - check out chillis web site. I just dont understand why they dont offer the range of products that chilli offer at the lower end.
I would also like to point something else out here - in raw USD$ terms, Vodacom's 3G service is in fact CHEAPER than it is in the UK - so it goes to show that it CAN be done.
ADSL will never be as cheap as it is in Europe simply because there is a monopoly on last mile wired services in South Africa. I think we all understand this. The advantage that the wireless carriers have is that they are not restricted by this monopoly, but unfortunately they are choosing to price themselves around it. They can be a lot more competitive, but they choose not too because they know we are restricted when it comes to wired services. In that respect, they are taking advantage of Telkom's monopoly irrespective of the fact that the all seem to be so vocal agaist it.
It makes me sick!
For the record - I live in South Africa - Cape Town in fact. I have 512k/s ADSL at home, as well as MTN Broadband and Vodacom 3G for when i travel. I also have a 1mbs international service from the office. I dont pay for any of these services....
I think its high time that SA consumers remove their blinkers and start dictating what they will pay for a service. We all just accept high charges because of the legacy of Telkom's pricing. Sad.
a. iBurst payed the same in USD$ for their equipment as the Aussies did.
b. iBurst do not pay local carrier fees (i.o.w. Telkom leased circuits)
c. following on b., their local backhaul is RF.
d. they have the option of purchasing satellite bandwidth at the same price the aussies do - wouldnt you settle for an uncapped service going via satellite????
e. the pricing for the 1mbs 3GB cap service is in line with what some of the aussie networks charge - check out chillis web site. I just dont understand why they dont offer the range of products that chilli offer at the lower end.
I would also like to point something else out here - in raw USD$ terms, Vodacom's 3G service is in fact CHEAPER than it is in the UK - so it goes to show that it CAN be done.
ADSL will never be as cheap as it is in Europe simply because there is a monopoly on last mile wired services in South Africa. I think we all understand this. The advantage that the wireless carriers have is that they are not restricted by this monopoly, but unfortunately they are choosing to price themselves around it. They can be a lot more competitive, but they choose not too because they know we are restricted when it comes to wired services. In that respect, they are taking advantage of Telkom's monopoly irrespective of the fact that the all seem to be so vocal agaist it.
It makes me sick!
For the record - I live in South Africa - Cape Town in fact. I have 512k/s ADSL at home, as well as MTN Broadband and Vodacom 3G for when i travel. I also have a 1mbs international service from the office. I dont pay for any of these services....
I think its high time that SA consumers remove their blinkers and start dictating what they will pay for a service. We all just accept high charges because of the legacy of Telkom's pricing. Sad.
<off_topic>jjtoymachine said:
Perhaps expecting an immediate sweeping change there? 
I wish it were true, as I understand it, the ICASA Public Hearings, are ICASA's way of saying:
Please tell us [verbally] with a presentation of sorts, what you have written in to tell us prior to the Public Hearing itself, we the ICASA councillors will then listen to the merrits of your recommendations, as well as those of others that participate, and together with the written submissions, we ICASA will then draft & submit recommendations to the DoC & Ivy in particular who has to sign everything off anyway.
My point is that the process takes time, and it will not result in the ADSL pricing dropping like a stone the week after the public hearings, however I do hope that ICASA will not wait until they have a totally comprehensive report & recommendations, before they ask Ivy to signoff on getting Telkomonopoly to drop the ADSL rental charge, which I think is the primary reason why ADSL is overpriced in SA, and also why SA has the most expensive ADSL in the world (not counting VDSL etc, just ADSL), including places like Egypt & Brazil.
The point: if you are expecting an immediate change, you will be sorely disappointed. Better to follow the all good things come to those that wait policy.
PS: I totally hope that ADSL prices drop by say September 2005.
</off_topic>I wish it were true, as I understand it, the ICASA Public Hearings, are ICASA's way of saying:
Please tell us [verbally] with a presentation of sorts, what you have written in to tell us prior to the Public Hearing itself, we the ICASA councillors will then listen to the merrits of your recommendations, as well as those of others that participate, and together with the written submissions, we ICASA will then draft & submit recommendations to the DoC & Ivy in particular who has to sign everything off anyway.
My point is that the process takes time, and it will not result in the ADSL pricing dropping like a stone the week after the public hearings, however I do hope that ICASA will not wait until they have a totally comprehensive report & recommendations, before they ask Ivy to signoff on getting Telkomonopoly to drop the ADSL rental charge, which I think is the primary reason why ADSL is overpriced in SA, and also why SA has the most expensive ADSL in the world (not counting VDSL etc, just ADSL), including places like Egypt & Brazil.
The point: if you are expecting an immediate change, you will be sorely disappointed. Better to follow the all good things come to those that wait policy.
PS: I totally hope that ADSL prices drop by say September 2005.