UP closes campus after student clashes

[MickeyD]

No. Revenge would be something like Zulu and Sotho becoming the ONLY languages that you can be taught with.


Idiot.

Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans... 1, 2, 3.
Sotho is way down the list.

So please don't call others idiots.

 

[Mila]

Posting on mobile and hit enter by mistake.

When enrolling at a Varsity I made sure that my major subjects were offered in a language I could understand. I did not enrol and then bitch about the language.

Where on Earth did I make any reference to "choices"? Please quote the correct post.

He is talking about me.
I said I do not know Afrikaans people that do not understand and speak English, we didn't exactly have a choice of second languages.
I think he took it as something else. Sorry. I just wanted to know where these Afrikaans people come from that can't speak English.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

What they are protesting is not always real issues, it's driven by racist agengas & politics.

Example (I'm just pulling names out my ass here for arguments sake) Anton Rupert trust could donate a couple of billion rand tomorrow, build a private afrikaans university affiliated with some international university (that awards the degree so no need for gov sanction) open to all afrikaans people irrespective of colour and I would bet you these very same **** stirrers would be there to burn the place down even though it's private.

Has it happened with Akademia yet?

http://akademia.ac.za/

 

[Mila]

Has it happened with Akademia yet?

http://akademia.ac.za/

I thought it was stopped? Is it a recognized institution?
I remember some minister said it would not be allowed.

 

[ellyally]

I heard the interview also. These this do not flair up from nowhere but it is because our grievances have been ignored for so long. The present government is also guilt of trying to accommodate the white minority at our peoples expense.

In what world is the current government accommodating the white minority? And at what expense to 'your' people? The only people they accommodate is themselves, the rest of us plebs, you, me, and every other hard working citizen(regardless of race) means **** all to them. They've done **** to accommodate me or anyone I know

Still waiting.

 

[jeanres]

Still waiting.

You will grow old, because you asked an intelligent question that cannot be answered!

 

[johnjm]

Posting on mobile and hit enter by mistake.

When enrolling at a Varsity I made sure that my major subjects were offered in a language I could understand. I did not enrol and then bitch about the language.

Where on Earth did I make any reference to "choices"? Please quote the correct post.

The choices remark was directed at the Neanderthal Mila.

You still are being ignorant. You enrolled based on your language so what the hell must others do? Go to some POS institution that has no recognition?

I don't blame you for this actually, it comes from your parents or those whoever raised you.

 

[Mila]

The choices remark was directed at the Neanderthal Mila.

You still are being ignorant. You enrolled based on your language so what the hell must others do? Go to some POS institution that has no recognition?

I don't blame you for this actually, it comes from your parents or those whoever raised you.

now you are looking for it. have you found it yet?

 

[MickeyD]

The choices remark was directed at the Neanderthal Mila.

You still are being ignorant. You enrolled based on your language so what the hell must others do? Go to some POS institution that has no recognition?

I don't blame you for this actually, it comes from your parents or those whoever raised you.

I went to English schools and English varsity. What are you implying?

And I will advise you to leave my parents out of this.

Edit: and go back and read what I posted...

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

Taking it out on people, who are too young to have been part of apartheid?

One thing we have learned about this country is that there are far too many people out there with chips on their shoulders and a complete lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills.

 

[Pitbull]

Nice Ninja edit. If those same people can speak another language then why make the big deal about learning in the same language as others?

Things like "they didn't have a choice" smacks of complete ignorance to what happened in this country.

Everything Afrikaans is being taken away from us. We have sacrificed enough now. You will not take our language too. It stops here.

 

[jeanres]

Everything Afrikaans is being taken away from us. We have sacrificed enough now. You will not take our language too. It stops here.

Ek stem 100% saam.

 

[Jola]

We need more universities anyway.

I don't believe that we do.

The standard of ANC school education is so low, that a large % of students shouldn't even be at university.

All that is needed is for entrance requirements to be tightened up.

Until such time as ANC school education is up to standard, but that won't happen in our lifetimes.

 

[jeanres]

One thing we have learned about this country is that there are far too many people out there with chips on their shoulders and a complete lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills.

Its easy to blame the past for present failures, rather than owning up and saying we "stuffed" up, and let us all work together and repair the problem.

- When the ANC took over South Africa, they should have focused their energy on education.
- BEE should never have existed, as the majority of people would have had more chance of getting jobs with the correct education.

The ANC government has turned South Africa into a racist state, no one below the age of 30, has any idea of apartheid nor the segregation that happened.

The government should stop harping on the past, admit their mistakes and take control of the country and build it, but all they are doing is destroying it.

We will be the next Zimbabwe.

 

[Jola]

We will be the next Zimbabwe.

Will be ?

Not are ?

 

[jeanres]

Will ?

We are not there yet But quickly, the question is how much more can this country take.

 

[jeanres]

What I don't understand is, the Afrikaans people (my people) should hate the British more than anything for the Anglo Boer War, but no, we all learned to speak English, we never removed the Rhodes Statue.. but we should have.

History is there to teach us, so that we don't make the same mistakes twice, but to blame history is just stupid.

We are civilised and we do not blame our mistakes on the past, we move forward.

 

[Vrotappel]

Their perspective is different, obviously. They're asking why Afrikaans is still afforded an elevated position in this day & age. Remember it costs the university time and resources to do that.



Nah, that's just Bush-logic at work. "You're either with us or against us."

I try to think beyond polarising and absolutist identity politics. Seems many are incapable of doing that, on both sides of the coin.

All the resources for Afrikaans is already there. What wastage is there?

What does this take away from the non-Afrikaans students?

 

[Pavan]

Its easy to blame the past for present failures, rather than owning up and saying we "stuffed" up, and let us all work together and repair the problem.

- When the ANC took over South Africa, they should have focused their energy on education.
- BEE should never have existed, as the majority of people would have had more chance of getting jobs with the correct education.

The ANC government has turned South Africa into a racist state, no one below the age of 30, has any idea of apartheid nor the segregation that happened.

The government should stop harping on the past, admit their mistakes and take control of the country and build it, but all they are doing is destroying it.

We will be the next Zimbabwe.

I disagree, and I'm not black nor did I benefit from BEE. BEE definitely should exist - our government just mismanages and implements it incorrectly.

You are a fool to think that no one below the age of 30 has any idea of apartheid or the segregation it caused. The ramifications live on for generations thereafter. It's like saying no Jewish person under 50 has any idea of what the holocaust was or what it did to their people. Or what slavery did to African Americans. It demolished generations of growth and set entire groups of people back several generations. Can your mind comprehend that?

The Anglo boer war lasted 3 years, apartheid lasted 50 years. The Anglo boer war was just that, a war. Apartheid was a system of racial segregation. Also, the national party wanted to keep the majority of South Africa's land for white people, especially the richest places, like the gold mines of Johannesburg. They wanted black men to work in these mines for little money but their families had to live far away. Sit back and digest that for a minute.

I do agree that the government is destroying our country.

 

[jeanres]

I disagree, and I'm not black nor did I benefit from BEE. BEE definitely should exist - our government just mismanages and implements it incorrectly.

You are a fool to think that no one below the age of 30 has any idea of apartheid or the segregation it caused. The ramifications live on for generations thereafter. It's like saying no Jewish person under 50 has any idea of what the holocaust was or what it did to their people. Or what slavery did to African Americans. It demolished generations of growth and set entire groups of people back several generations. Can your mind comprehend that?

The Anglo boer war lasted 3 years, apartheid lasted 50 years. The Anglo boer war was just that, a war. Apartheid was a system of racial segregation. Also, the national party wanted to keep the majority of South Africa's land for white people, especially the richest places, like the gold mines of Johannesburg. They wanted black men to work in these mines for little money but their families had to live far away. Sit back and digest that for a minute.

I do agree that the government is destroying our country.

I only saw the backend of apartheid, maybe the last 5 years or so, or 5 years that I can remember, think about it for a second, what happened in those two wars we had against the British, how many woman and children died in camps.

Many years later after those wars have ended we still have parts in our country that reminded us of it.

I am not saying that apartheid is not having a lasting effect on the people of South Africa, but the government is using it as a scape goat. We should have learn from apartheid and the people of South Africa should work together and change what happened in the past and not reverse it. 20 years down the line we should stop blaming everything on apartheid and fix issues that it has left behind.

I don't understand how a bunch of people could attack and throw rocks at people, who are not old enough to have had anything to do with apartheid, what is happening here is everything is the white persons fault, because we are afrikaans we are blamed.

There is a way to go about something and the way the majority is going about is, is not the correct way and that is because the government has not done its job.

The government wants to keep the majority uneducated because once the majority is educated, the ANC will get close to zero votes.

There is going to be a point in time, when the Afrikaans people stand up (like what happened here) and fight for our rights to be part of this rainbow nation (even though we are not welcome here).

There is only so much abuse we can take, so much criticism we can endure.

Based on you BEE statement, don't you think if the majority had the correct education the majority would have certainly stood a better chance at getting jobs? BEE is reverse apartheid isn't it, because I am not black, I cannot get a job?

You cannot say that 4 million people (might not be the correct number) can take away the jobs of 40 million.

// Now for some coffee