US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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Fox lawyers are back in court arguing that fake news *is* the Fox "News" brand.

Fox News Argues Viewers Don't Assume Tucker Carlson Reports Facts

Tucker Carlson doesn't have an obligation to investigate the truth of statements before making them on his show and his audience doesn't expect him to report facts, a lawyer for Fox News told a New York federal judge on Wednesday.

The network is facing a slander lawsuit from Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model who made headlines over a $150,000 payment she received from the National Enquirer in connection with her alleged affair with Donald Trump.

McDougal claims Carlson defamed her and accused her of a crime in a segment that also discussed Stormy Daniels. Here's what Carlson said that she takes issue with: "Two women approached Donald Trump and threatened to ruin his career and humiliate his family if he doesn't give them money. Now that sounds like a classic case of extortion."

To complicate matters, he also earlier in the broadcast said that he was recapping the "gist" of a New York Times story and assuming "for the sake of argument" that things ex-Trump lawyer Michael Cohen had said were true while noting it wasn't wise to make such an assumption but also stated, "Remember the facts of the story, these are undisputed."

Fox News wants U.S. District Court Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil to toss the complaint, arguing both that nothing Carlson said is defamatory because it can't be interpreted as stating actual facts and that McDougal can't prove he acted with malice which she must do to succeed on her claims because she's a public figure.

Fox News' attorney Erin Murphy argued that Carlson repeatedly couched his statements as hypotheticals to promote conversation and that a reasonable viewer would know his show offers "provocative things that will help me think harder" not straight news.

"What we’re talking about here, it’s not the front page of the New York Times," said Murphy. “It’s Tucker Carlson Tonight, which is a commentary show.”

While discussing what constitutes reckless disregard for the truth in regard to the actual malice standard, judge Vyskocil asked Murphy, "Does somebody in Mr. Carlson’s position have the duty of inquiry?"

Murphy replied, "Not as to an actual malice standard. The Supreme Court could not be clearer." She argued malice isn't a negligence standard and "failure to investigate" the truth of a statement doesn't suffice.

The Fox News lawyer also argued that even if Carlson was aligned with Trump that's not enough and you can't reach the actual malice standard "just by saying someone has motive for lying."

McDougal's lawyer Eric Bernstein emphasized the phrase "remember the facts" and claims that moment in his segment signaled a shift from commentary to reporting news. "It’s a beat change, if you’re an actor," he argued. "You can even see it on his face. He gets serious. He’s not being dramatic."

Bernstein's arguments supporting actual malice rely on Fox News' previous coverage of McDougal and a tweet from Trump praising Carlson's book. Vyskocil seemed dubious, asking "Are you sure the president doesn’t tweet about anyone with whom he doesn’t have a personal relationship?"

She ultimately took the matter under submission.
 
All the Orange Dotard is concerned with is the numbers, the poll numbers, not the staggering number of Americans that died in the pandemic,


Trump scrambles to suppress Bolton book and alarming Covid-19 truths

The President worries both revelations could further harm his image ahead of the election



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There's a common motivation in the White House's attempt to suppress John Bolton's book and its state of denial over alarming new trends in the coronavirus pandemic: President Donald Trump doesn't want Americans to see information that could harm him or the narrative he has constructed.

The former national security adviser's behind-the-scenes account is expected to portray Trump, who was impeached over an apparent abuse of power in Ukraine and clashed with Bolton over a number of foreign policy issues, in an extremely poor light.

And increasing signs that the pandemic is becoming more virulent in states that heeded the President's calls to open the economy -- like Florida, Arizona, South Carolina and Texas -- contradict his claim that the US has prevailed and it's safe to go back to normal.

"They just don't want to deal with the reality of it. They're in denial," an official familiar with the work of the White House's coronavirus task force told CNN's Jim Acosta.

Both dramas have the potential to further dent the President's reelection campaign, as polls show him behind presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden. Bolton is likely to undercut Trump's chosen image as a strong, dominant global leader and could unleash more Ukraine-style controversies over his behavior in office. A surge in coronavirus cases is meanwhile tarnishing the President's narrative of the "Great American Comeback" and the economic openings that may be key to his hopes of a second term.

Any word from our local freeze peach defenders on the president using the DOJ to try and suppress Bolton's freedom of speech?

What's that? Silence? Whoda thunk it.
 
^ Treasonous garbage.

And let me be clear... I mean Donnie *AND* John are treasonous garbage.

Put succinctly:


Republicans: Haven't read it. I don't watch teevee. I don't read newspapers. I'm not on twitter. I don't comment...

Infinite loop

They're too busy crying about Sesame Street and Aunt Jemima.


Damn, they are quick!
 
John Bolton really seems to have hit the sweetspot for making everyone hate him.

Dems hate him because he enthusiastically acted in the administration that he knew was corrupt to the core, withheld all that information, including during the impeachment process, so that he could monetize it after he left.

Repubs hate him because he's exposing more of Dear Leader's crimes and scandals.
 
Seems that QAnon lunatic who's likely going to be a freshman GOP Congresswoman come November is also... a huge bigot. What a shock.

 
Wonder how long we'll have to wait for another round of "social media is biased against conservatives" drek.

It is literally their schtikk: cry wolf while benefiting from the system disproportionately relative other groups.

Replace system with noun of your choice:
Electoral college
Social media
MSM
The education system
The judicial system
The police system
Literally everything
 
Trump signs bill for sanctions for Chinese treatment of Uighurs

Edict comes on day former adviser claims Trump spoke approvingly of Chinese 'basically building concentration camps'.

In a private meeting during the 2019 G20
Trump told China's president that building concentration camps for millions of Uighur Muslims was 'exactly the right thing to do,'


President Donald Trump signed legislation on Wednesday calling for sanctions against those responsible for the repression of Uighur Muslims in China's Xinjiang province, the White House said in a statement.


The bill, which passed the US Congress nearly unanimously, was intended to send China a strong message on human rights by mandating sanctions against those responsible for the oppression of members of China's Muslim minority.

The United Nations estimates that more than a million Muslims have been detained in camps in Xinjiang.


Trump issued a "signing statement" saying that some of the bill's sanctions requirements might limit his constitutional authority as president to conduct diplomacy so he would regard them as advisory, not mandatory.
 
All these Trump supporters must have big strong arms from moving the goalposts all the time.

Let's see what OAN or Fox News says first, they need time to digest so to create the talking points that will inevitably be spat out in this thread and elsewhere.
Yip, all waiting for the official talking points to be downloaded.
 
Yip, all waiting for the official talking points to be downloaded.
Lol. We've discussed the book months ago already in the previous Trump thread. It's most likely BS.

Further than that I can't really comment without reading it, and I highly doubt I'm going to read it.
 
Where have I seen that red triangle before, that the Trump Campaign facebook page is using?

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And yet several forum members here, past (Xarog) and present (Konfab and Emjay) post Tuckers rhetoric and musings upon this forum as gospel.

Not to mention his good friend and biggest fan, Donald J Trump
 
It is literally their schtikk: cry wolf while benefiting from the system disproportionately relative other groups.

Replace system with noun of your choice:
Electoral college
Social media
MSM
The education system
The judicial system
The police system
Literally everything

I see your schtick is still bad faith debating.
 
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