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Chris_the_Brit said:
Not sure about that. I believe Trump has already lost Michigan (only won it by 6000 votes) which is 16 electoral votes, given the strong performance of Democrats in 2018 elections, including the decisive victory for the Governor's race. Also the Michigan's governer's approval ratings are far above that of Trump in the state. Biden was also born in the very working-class suburb of Scranton, Pennsylvania. Although he didn't ever represent Pennsylvania in the Senate, it's likely there will be a "home boy" effect for Biden, which would add up to another 20 electoral votes for Biden. Then he'd only need to win one of Wisconsin or Arizona. Not going to pick up Ohio. Florida and North Carolina might be slightly out of reach as the former is trending Republican and Trump had a clear victory in NC...

I'm also not aware of an incumbent US president winning in a year in which there is seismic negative economic shock.
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Not to mention, not being able to hold rallies is a clear positive for Biden and a clear negative for Trump.
 
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Wrong.
Government setting the price of labour is no different than them setting the price of an iPhone such that everyone can buy it. They will get it wrong, and when they get it wrong, more people will be unemployed.

Case in point is the Glorious People's Republic of South Africa. The government's new fangled minimum wage is R3500 a month. Here is the problem, the median wage is about R3000 (averages are not good measures when looking at an exponentially distributed effect like income). Which means that increasing the minimum wage will cause unemployment as the value that said workers are providing isn't worth the money to the employer in most cases. This is what happened in the months after they increased minimum wage.

The people who this impacts the most, are poor young people with no education, since the value they can provide an employer is below what is legally allowed. Something like negative income tax is far better if you actually want a welfare system that I would think would help people without screwing up economic incentives of employers or workeer.


What this bailout was showing, is that the unemployment benefits were not capped at the worker's salary/wage.
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Well, no... Instead of capping it they set it at $600,00 per week... you know, $15,00 per hour... and at $15,00 it was still more than your Jamie was paying them.

But I get it, you're a pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps kinda guy. How folk get those bootstraps is none of your concern.
 
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The Voters Trump Needs Most Right Now

The pandemic’s ultimate political consequences could hinge on one group of Americans.
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As the two parties offer dueling interpretations of Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus outbreak, new polling suggests that the pandemic’s ultimate political consequences may be determined by the substantial group of voters who accept the central premise of each side’s case.

The principal line of attack from Democrats, amplified in super-PAC ads already running across the battleground states, is that Trump downplayed the virus’s risk and fumbled the government’s response, especially as the threat grew from late January through early March. The principal defense offered by Republicans is that Trump has responded effectively since he declared a national emergency in mid-March.

Republicans expect that if voters conclude Trump avoided the worst, they will forgive any mistakes at the outset. “Voters are saying they don’t love that first phase, but a lot of people feel personally off guard too. So that’s why you see that generous ‘we were all caught off guard’ sentiment,” the GOP pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson told me recently. The final verdict, she believes, will turn on whether “people perceive the administration as having been uniquely flat-footed, versus all of us being caught off guard by a lack of information.”
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But the most consequential group at this moment may be the one that straddles both these results—the overlapping segment of the Venn diagram. Who is that ambivalent group? It includes many of the constituencies already considered the swing groups in the electorate, according to detailed results provided by Public Opinion Strategies, the Republican firm that co-directs the NBC/WSJ poll with the Democratic firm Hart Research Associates.

The constituencies reflected most in this group include white independents, Republicans who don’t regularly watch Fox News (or who consider themselves “soft” partisans), voters in Sun Belt swing states, young people, white women without a college degree, and voters who live in outer suburbs and rural areas.

Attitudes on this question about Trump’s response powerfully link to opinions about his reelection. Among the 30 percent who said Trump has been strong on the virus throughout, the president leads the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden, by 94 percent to 4 percent.

But Trump faces a comparable deficit among the much larger group of 45 percent, who say he’s mishandled the outbreak from the beginning. Among those respondents, Biden leads 88 percent to 2 percent. The fact that more of these voters are undecided (some 10 percent) only compounds the president’s challenge: Biden has more room to grow among Trump’s consistent critics than Trump does among his consistent supporters.

The implication is clear. If Trump can’t reduce the large number of voters who think he has mishandled the crisis all along, he’ll need to win a disproportionate share of the 20 percent of voters who are conflicted about his performance. In the NBC/WSJ survey, Trump does lead among those ambivalent voters. But his margin of 54 percent to 33 percent isn’t nearly enough to overcome his deficit with his big bloc of critics. Among all voters, Biden leads him in the poll by a solid 49 percent to 42 percent.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
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The Voters Trump Needs Most Right Now

The pandemic’s ultimate political consequences could hinge on one group of Americans.
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Just past 48 000 deaths.

At some point next week they're going to hit 58 000, and that's the number of American boys who died in Vietnam.
The first Covid death was on February 6th, eleven weeks ago. Americans were in Vietnam for nearly twenty years.

I'm not sure how *anyone* spins this as a positive.
 
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Farking redneck imbecilic Trumptard hicks - they'll continue this **** while they believe that they have the Orange Dotards blessing.


The hypocrisy of the 'Open it Up' movement

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Some argue the benefits of reopening the US economy outweigh the human toll of the coronavirus pandemic. Ethicists say that's immoral.
 
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