US Election 2020

[konfab]

The police are not there to protect anything other than government interests .

That is true.
However the trick is to get the interests of the government to be the same as the interests of the people who elect them.

In South Africa there is a complete disconnect between the interests of ordinary people and the interests of the government. This is because the guy with his boot to your neck ultimately only reports to someone 2000km away in Pretoria.
In the US, the person the local police report to (the Sherrif) are usually directly elected by the population they serve. (Actually learned this right now).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States

 

[Temujin]

Are you trolling or actually this stupid?

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING

I gave you a chance to rethink it, gave you an out twice
I asked you specifically if you really want to use the 'but he plead guilty' argument
Your words "Granting clemency to someone who pled guilty twice just because he’s buddies with the POTUS? If that isn’t a miscarriage of justice i don’t know what is"
Not what was charged of, what guilty/not guilty of, not his history
That is the argument you chose, he plead guilty, therefore its miscarriage of justice

 

[SoldierMan]

That is even beside the point IMO. It doesn't really matter if the jogger did anything or not. What does matter is the behaviour of these two idiots.

Only justifiable use of actually engaging with someone breaking the law is when they are threatening your life, someone else's life or they are on your property. Someone running away with your TV down the street doesn't justify engaging with them. If they are in your house trying to steal your TV, then you can shoot them on the spot IMO.

If they suspected this guy of being a criminal, then all they should have done was follow him from a distance and call the police. Doing anything else not only violates the rights of the person you are following, it also is really dangerous because if the person you are following is a criminal they will probably be armed and will not have a problem shooting you.

Not in South Africa. If they have a gun or a knife and your life is in danger then you can engage. If they are just taking your TV I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to shoot. You can tell them to put it down and most (sane) people would do so if a guy with a gun told you to do so.

 

[vigras rojara]

Didn't say the "jogger" chased anyone down , I said assaulted and tried to steal gun.

But the events leading up to the incident weren't recorded, so as per your previous post you must accept that as a possibility. Surely?

 

[cerebus]

I gave you a chance to rethink it, gave you an out twice
I asked you specifically if you really want to use the 'but he plead guilty' argument
Your words "Granting clemency to someone who pled guilty twice just because he’s buddies with the POTUS? If that isn’t a miscarriage of justice i don’t know what is"
Not what was charged of, what guilty/not guilty of, not his history
That is the argument you chose, he plead guilty, therefore its miscarriage of justice

It's a miscarriage of justice because the only reason he is being let off is because he's buddies with POTUS. The proof of his guilt is that he pled guilty, twice. There hasn't been any new evidence that I'm aware of to exonerate him, therefore there's no apparent reason for him to be granted clemency.

 

[Jabulani22]

But the events leading up to the incident weren't recorded, so as per your previous post you must accept that as a possibility. Surely?

You can believe it , I don't think I have to .

 

[cerebus]

Didn't say the "jogger" chased anyone down , I said assaulted and tried to steal gun.

They assaulted him by threatening him with a gun. He defended himself, as he had a right to do. That's all the available evidence shows. I do not believe I should be confronted by armed citizens unless I have actually committed a crime, and if I do get confronted, I should be able to defend myself.

 

[Jabulani22]

They assaulted him by threatening him with a gun. He defended himself, as he had a right to do. That's all the available evidence shows.

I didn't see any threats with a gun , I saw a guy open carrying a gun being assaulted and defend himself.

 

[cerebus]

I didn't see any threats with a gun , I saw a guy open carrying a gun being assaulted and defend himself.

Who says he was carrying a gun?

There's no sign of him carrying a gun. You're gonna have to prove that allegation. The only ones carrying guns were the 2 guys who assaulted him.

 

[vigras rojara]

You can believe it , I don't think I have to .

I don't believe that, I was merely having a lol at the absurdity of your argument.

 

[Jabulani22]

Who says he was carrying a gun?

There's no sign of him carrying a gun. You're gonna have to prove that allegation. The only ones carrying guns were the 2 guys who assaulted him.

You need an eye test then .

 

[cerebus]

You need an eye test then .

Show me

 

[Temujin]

It's a miscarriage of justice because the only reason he is being let off is because he's buddies with POTUS. The proof of his guilt is that he pled guilty, twice. There hasn't been any new evidence that I'm aware of to exonerate him, therefore there's no apparent reason for him to be granted clemency.

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING

And still doing it... how is him pleading guilty proof of guilt? The 5 plead guilty, therefore proof of guilt yes?
The rest of your waffle is just you trying to shift goal posts

 

[Jabulani22]

I don't believe that, I was merely having a lol at the absurdity of your argument.

What's absurd is you lefty minds .
Want to test my theory ? If you jog up to a cit guard and try hitting him and steal his gun , you are going to have a bad day , Innocent or not of anything else.



Edit - don't do this

 

[vigras rojara]

What's absurd is you lefty minds .
Want to test my theory ? If you jog up to a cit guard and try hitting him and steal his gun , you are going to have a bad day , Innocent or not of anything else.



Edit - don't do this

Yes, because that's exactly what happened in this instance.

SMH.

 

[cerebus]

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING

And still doing it... how is him pleading guilty proof of guilt? The 5 plead guilty, therefore proof of guilt yes?
The rest of your waffle is just you trying to shift goal posts

The 5 had later evidence that exonerated them. Michael Flynn does not. As I said:
There hasn't been any new evidence that I'm aware of to exonerate him

 

[rietrot]

Yes, because that's exactly what happened in this instance.

SMH.

It is.

 

[Jabulani22]

Yes, because that's exactly what happened in this instance.

SMH.

Close as we have locally , do it anywhere in the world with anyone armed with anything , your day won't be good.

 

[Techne]

Progressives are fed up.

 

[vigras rojara]

It is.

So the good ol' boys were just going about their business when the jogger ran up to them and tried to steal their guns?

Because that's what you're saying.