US Election 2020

[cerebus]

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We can start with the central park 5 if you like? If I recall you slobbered all over that one for weeks re them not only confessing, but also pleading guilty

Are you f'n kidding? THAT's your bomb? You can't tell the difference between a group of scared teenagers who were coerced by the police and later proven to be innocent via DNA testing, and a National Security Advisor who knowingly lied to the FBI? Go crawl back under a rock.

 

[rietrot]

So at most it is theft and not Breaking and entering. I don't think he should have been shot for that

He wasn't. They tried to stop and question him for that.
He was shot for trying to grab the guys gun.

 

[Cray]

He wasn't. They tried to stop and question him for that.
He was shot for trying to grab the guys gun.

Why did they need to the guns to stop and question him?

 

[rietrot]

Why did they need to the guns to stop and question him?

Dude wtf. It's America everyone has guns. Why not. Our community watch and private security carry guns with them.

This is now just getting stupid.

They think they are going out confronting a possible criminal, but they should leave their guns at home. Lol

 

[Jabulani22]

The jogger should have stayed at home like the government

well according to the article, the police report says the two guys did not witness anything, they just seen him hauling ass down the road.

I suppose black people are not allowed to jog or run cause "they all look alike" and must either be going to or coming back from a crime.

Those are your feelings.
Let's discount all hearsay and unknowns , does the video not show him attacking people unprovoked and trying to steal a firearm ?

 

[Temujin]

Are you f'n kidding? THAT's your bomb? You can't tell the difference between a group of scared teenagers who were coerced by the police and later proven to be innocent via DNA testing, and a National Security Advisor who knowingly lied to the FBI? Go crawl back under a rock.

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As said, hypocrisy, both plead guilty, both have their reason, but tds filter set to max

 

[buka001]

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We can start with the central park 5 if you like? If I recall you slobbered all over that one for weeks re them not only confessing, but also pleading guilty

TIL a retired General was held in prison without legal counsel or assistance from his guardian and threatened to do the right thing and just say it was someone else, he was just nearby.

I also learned that Army generals have the mental and psychological will of a preteen.

 

[konfab]

So at most it is theft and not Breaking and entering. I don't think he should have been shot for that

That is even beside the point IMO. It doesn't really matter if the jogger did anything or not. What does matter is the behaviour of these two idiots.

Only justifiable use of actually engaging with someone breaking the law is when they are threatening your life, someone else's life or they are on your property. Someone running away with your TV down the street doesn't justify engaging with them. If they are in your house trying to steal your TV, then you can shoot them on the spot IMO.

If they suspected this guy of being a criminal, then all they should have done was follow him from a distance and call the police. Doing anything else not only violates the rights of the person you are following, it also is really dangerous because if the person you are following is a criminal they will probably be armed and will not have a problem shooting you.

 

[Temujin]

TIL a retired General was held in prison without legal counsel or assistance from his guardian and threatened to do the right thing and just say it was someone else, he was just nearby.

I also learned that Army generals have the mental and psychological will of a preteen.

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Nothing new to learn for me today, usual hypocrisy from you clowns on display
People plead guilty as see no other way out to get lower sentence
One gets off after pleading guilty you cheer
The other gets off after pleading guilty you reeeeee cos tds
/shocked

 

[rietrot]

That is even beside the point IMO. It doesn't really matter if the jogger did anything or not. What does matter is the behaviour of these two idiots.

Only justifiable use of actually engaging with someone breaking the law is when they are threatening your life, someone else's life or they are on your property. Someone running away with your TV down the street doesn't justify engaging with them. If they are in your house trying to steal your TV, then you can shoot them on the spot IMO.

If they suspected this guy of being a criminal, then all they should have done was follow him from a distance and call the police. Doing anything else not only violates the rights of the person you are following, it also is really dangerous because if the person you are following is a criminal they will probably be armed and will not have a problem shooting you.

Pretty contradictory to your usual criticism of the state having an monopoly on the use of force or just the state in general so far during lockdown.

 

[cerebus]

All I can see is a flailing and desperate attempt to correlate two things that couldn't be more different. What was Flynn's reason for lying? Oooh he was 'trapped', how was he supposed to know that he shouldn't lie to the FBI?

 

[vigras rojara]

No evidence of them accosting him , actual video of him accosting one of them though

So the good ol' boys chased after him and stopped him, by their own admission, but that doesn't qualify as "accosting" him in your book?

 

[Temujin]

All I can see is a flailing and desperate attempt to correlate two things that couldn't be more different. What was Flynn's reason for lying? Oooh he was 'trapped', how was he supposed to know that he shouldn't lie to the FBI?

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Your argument was he plead guilty and is now getting off
You defend others who also plead guilty and got off
There is no difference here

 

[konfab]

Pretty contradictory to your usual criticism of the state having an monopoly on the use of force or just the state in general so far during lockdown.

Not it isn't.
1) I said this

If they are in your house trying to steal your TV, then you can shoot them on the spot IMO.

2) It is common sense, I am not paid to risk my life for the property of other people. The police/private security are.
3) My criticism of the lockdown is the criminalisation of basic freedoms. In normal life, most people don't report each other to the police for going for a run, or going on a walk on the beach.

 

[Jabulani22]

So the good ol' boys chased after him and stopped him, by their own admission, but that doesn't qualify as "accosting" him in your book?

I'm saying if we dismiss all hearsay even from them and go on what we can see , what we can see is the dead "jogger" assaulting a man and then trying to steal his gun.
If we add hearsay we still get the same .

 

[cerebus]

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Your argument was he plead guilty and is now getting off
You defend others who also plead guilty and got off
There is no difference here

Are you trolling or actually this stupid?

 

[Jabulani22]

Not it isn't.
1) I said this

2) It is common sense, I am not paid to risk my life for the property of other people. The police are.
3) My criticism of the lockdown is the criminalisation of basic freedoms. In normal life, most people don't report each other to the police for going for a run, or going on a walk on the beach.

The police are not there to protect anything other than government interests .

 

[vigras rojara]

I'm saying if we dismiss all hearsay even from them and go on what we can see , what we can see is the dead "jogger" assaulting a man and then trying to steal his gun.
If we add hearsay we still get the same .

Sure, so then you think it's a likelihood that the shooters were minding their own business and Mr Jogger chased them down?

 

[rietrot]

Not it isn't.
1) I said this

2) It is common sense, I am not paid to risk my life for the property of other people. The police/private security are.
3) My criticism of the lockdown is the criminalisation of basic freedoms. In normal life, most people don't report each other to the police for going for a run, or going on a walk on the beach.

What does it matter if you get paid to do it or not? What if you volunteer like our community watch. And private security is okay? Because they get paid?

So recieving money gives someone authority to stop and search someone else?

All I read in our previous post was. GOVERNMENT IS LOVE, GOVERNMENT KNOWS BEST.

Nobody is saying you have to risk your life.

 

[Jabulani22]

Sure, so then you think it's a likelihood that the shooters were minding their own business and Mr Jogger chased them down?

Didn't say the "jogger" chased anyone down , I said assaulted and tried to steal gun.