US Election 2020

[TysonRoux]

This "you ain't black" is going really well for Biden with the progressives...

 

[Techne]

I just want to point out that factcheck.org is completely unbiased and is the type of information you should use to formulate your independent ideas Jabulani.

I think this wins the "MyBB Most Naïve Post" trophy.
A completely unbiased "fact checking" site .

 

[boramk]

I think this wins the "MyBB Most Naïve Post" trophy.
A completely unbiased "fact checking" site .

I'm sure you think if a fact checking website like this or snopes is biased I don't have to engage you because you're already so far down the rabbit hole there's literally no point because no fact can change your mind.

You're just in full on tribal mode and your tribe is infallible and correct and these pesky facts are just a hindrance. Have a nice Sunday.

 

[Techne]

I'm sure you think if a fact checking website like this or snopes is biased I don't have to engage you because you're already so far down the rabbit hole there's literally no point because no fact can change your mind.

You're just in full on tribal mode and your tribe is infallible and correct and these pesky facts are just a hindrance. Have a nice Sunday.

I think you should convince people that unicorns are real before making them believe that fact checking sites are "completely unbiased". You know, start small.

 

[greg0205]

I'm sure you think if a fact checking website like this or snopes is biased I don't have to engage you because you're already so far down the rabbit hole there's literally no point because no fact can change your mind.

You're just in full on tribal mode and your tribe is infallible and correct and these pesky facts are just a hindrance. Have a nice Sunday.

"Reality has a well known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

 

[Jabulani22]

Why would they not let us know if millions of votes cast, there was large scale fraud? Because they're in democratic states? As I said it's available in 33 states and a lot of them are Republican. Hell Utah is deeply conservative. No indication of widespread fraud. So what is the reason to stop people from voting by mail?So they can stand in line and get sick like in Wisconsin? Cases there spiked 2 weeks after their election.

I don't understand the reason why we have to stand in line if we get the exact same ballot mailed to us? If I have more time to fill it out and think deeply about the down ballot candidates and research their positions. If I go into the booth today, besides the ones running for President and Senate, I don't know the positions of the hundreds of other names I have to vote for. I will if I can vote from home. In addition, the US doesn't give you paid time off to go vote, so many people particularly minorities are stuck working and can't vote. Mail in ballot would get rid of this problem, but this is exactly the problem Republicans want to keep.

I think the biases are pushed by our news sources and social media. It's really easy to come on here with links to articles that support your POV and have fellow conservatives or liberals pat you back for "owning the other side" but I recommend unbiased news sources with just the figures and facts.

And buddy, there ain't no evidence of fraud and I've given you reasons why it would be difficult. So are you going to admit mail in ballots are not really an issue or this something so entrenched in you from the media you consume that it is wrong?

Your or others lack of attention should not force the mail in issue , What happens if they allow it and its later determined that there was massive result changing fraud ? how do you then go back and convince the TDS crowd it was actually rigged ?

There is no published evidence of fraud does not mean there is none , the media i consume is from both sides , really difficult does not mean impossible , if there was some sort of foolproof way then yeah go for it but there isnt .

 

[Jabulani22]

The Brennan Center:

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

FactCheck:

Trump's Latest Voter Fraud Misinformation - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump continues to add false and exaggerated statements to his already lengthy list of bogus voter fraud claims.

www.factcheck.org

... or as Voter Fraud Facts put it:

Between 2000 and 2010 there were:

649 Million votes cast in general elections
47 000 UFO sightings
441 Americans killed by lightning
13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

Ah brennan centre , a quick google shows where their political side may fall.

 

[boramk]

I can give props to Jabuliani for being engaged and explaining out his thoughts hence this discussion we've been having.

But as I said I can't change your mind nor do I want to. I'll give you a like and this response. Enjoy the rest of your night I believe it is there.

 

[Jabulani22]

"Reality has a well known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

72 genders ?

 

[Ancalagon]

I like the par where the TDS makes all these people think that somehow if Trump never played golf there would be 100k people alive.
I especially like the part where TDS makes them forget that even if Barry or Joe or crooked Hillary was president during covid , 100k would have died ...............covid doesnt care about golf or which party won the election.

I think the death toll has more to do with how unhealthy the American population is, in terms of obesity, diabetes and heart disease. This is also why the UK death toll is so bad.

So, people are pinning the 100k on him, but likely it would have been just as bad under any other President.

 

[boramk]

Your or others lack of attention should not force the mail in issue , What happens if they allow it and its later determined that there was massive result changing fraud ? how do you then go back and convince the TDS crowd it was actually rigged ?

There is no published evidence of fraud does not mean there is none , the media i consume is from both sides , really difficult does not mean impossible , if there was some sort of foolproof way then yeah go for it but there isnt .

You're not getting the crux of my stance here - I never said there is no voter fraud. I even outlined how there could be.

I'm asking how can there be massive voter fraud? I just went through and voted and trying to wrap my head around how you can scale voter fraud through mail?

 

[Jabulani22]

I just want to point out that factcheck.org is completely unbiased and is the type of information you should use to formulate your independent ideas Jabulani. As I mentioned in my prior post. I could watch TYT all day and feel angry at how much of a monster he is or I could watch Fox News all day and just love the guy to bits. Or I can look at unbiased data and come to my own conclusion: Trump is lying and he wants to suppress votes over a non-issue and is willing to have people wait in line and get the virus. He is even willing to go so far as deny the USPS federal money to run. Hey if the post office collapses because I don't fund them? We can't do mail in ballot amiright?

FactCheck.org Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of FactCheck.org. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

www.allsides.com

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No source is unbiased by its nature if a human had a hand anywhere in it .
USPS funding is another thing but if its anything like state entities around the world then if it cant be profitable it should close , use aramax or whoever to deliver.

 

[boramk]

I think the death toll has more to do with how unhealthy the American population is, in terms of obesity, diabetes and heart disease. This is also why the UK death toll is so bad.

So, people are pinning the 100k on him, but likely it would have been just as bad under any other President.

Agree 100% that there would be tens of thousands of deaths still. Disagree that it would be at this level. 1 week of earlier action would have resulted in 2/3rd less deaths.

We unfortunately lost the whole of February and half of March before any action was taken. I don't blame him for the disease, that's just silly. I blame his inaction and early denials of the severity of the issue.

 

[Jabulani22]

You're not getting the crux of my stance here - I never said there is no voter fraud. I even outlined how there could be.

I'm asking how can there be massive voter fraud? I just went through and voted and trying to wrap my head around how you can scale voter fraud through mail?

Anyone who is sufficiently interested in something would find a way to do it .
Mail in may be a non issue but a ton of both sides stances are and thats just the point of each party , divide people with trivial stuff and get them riled up at each other so they dont close in on the government employees milking the system.

 

[boramk]

No source is unbiased by its nature if a human had a hand anywhere in it .
USPS funding is another thing but if its anything like state entities around the world then if it cant be profitable it should close , use aramax or whoever to deliver.

We can agree that face checking is less likely to have biases?

If the President says hydroxychloroquine has benefits against COVID and a fact checker says there is no substantial enough evidence of this yet, the fact check isn't biased. There's literally isn't conclusive evidence.

The bias would be to say it in fact DOES treat COVID, or that it DOES NOT.

Can agree on this?

 

[Jabulani22]

I think the death toll has more to do with how unhealthy the American population is, in terms of obesity, diabetes and heart disease. This is also why the UK death toll is so bad.

So, people are pinning the 100k on him, but likely it would have been just as bad under any other President.

Yup the blaming Trump and the attention on his golfing is just a smokescreen ,why arent people asking about a dead intern ? or the tricks each party gets up to ?
Because the media is throwing up smokescreens for their particular favorite .
If a meteor hits earth tomorrow , these parties will be blaming each other instead of getting down to helping people as they should be .

 

[cerebus]

I think the death toll has more to do with how unhealthy the American population is, in terms of obesity, diabetes and heart disease. This is also why the UK death toll is so bad.

So, people are pinning the 100k on him, but likely it would have been just as bad under any other President.

Nothing to do with the fact that the leaders of both the UK and the US ignored, downplayed, and delayed acting on the pandemic until it was too far advanced? You know, the same as Sweden and Brazil.

 

[boramk]

Anyone who is sufficiently interested in something would find a way to do it .
Mail in may be a non issue but a ton of both sides stances are and thats just the point of each party , divide people with trivial stuff and get them riled up at each other so they dont close in on the government employees milking the system.

We agree that there may be voter fraud. I'm asking you how you can scale it. Let's say Biden wanted to orchestrate voter fraud over mail, how is this done? Ask every liberal dad in the country to fill in for the entire family and not get caught? Hire agents who will go to each polling station and just say a random name?

I'm genuinely curious. Because the system from the way I've experienced it it's impossible. And anyone who thinks this is possible to orchestrate mass voter fraud hasn't every been a project manager

 

[boramk]

Yup the blaming Trump and the attention on his golfing is just a smokescreen ,why arent people asking about a dead intern ? or the tricks each party gets up to ?
Because the media is throwing up smokescreens for their particular favorite .
If a meteor hits earth tomorrow , these parties will be blaming each other instead of getting down to helping people as they should be .

Just weighing in on this.

Talking about his golfing or Pelosi/Schumer asking him to put the flags at half mast is total politicizing and they would have never asked Hillary that.

 

[Jabulani22]

We can agree that face checking is less likely to have biases?

If the President says hydroxychloroquine has benefits against COVID and a fact checker says there is no substantial enough evidence of this yet, the fact check isn't biased. There's literally isn't conclusive evidence.

The bias would be to say it in fact DOES treat COVID, or that it DOES NOT.

Can agree on this?

If the fact checking is indeed using facts and not just trying to sway people to their side then yes it can be said to be less biased perhaps.
yes your point stands , that would be the bias.