US Election 2020

[Techne]

I wonder who this troll is talking to?

The voices in xis head that thinks xe is important.

 

[boramk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264558926021959680

There he goes being right again.

I find this ironic. He is able to and has voted by mail. When Americans are asked to vote by mail to avoid COVID there will be fraud? How do you, Jubulani reconcicle this? Interested in your thoughts.

And by the way you can't print forgeries. The only way there can be fraud is if a household member fills out the voting ballots for everyone at home.

 

[Jabulani22]

I find this ironic. He is able to and has voted by mail. When Americans are asked to vote by mail to avoid COVID there will be fraud? How do you, Jubulani reconcicle this? Interested in your thoughts.

And by the way you can't print forgeries. The only way there can be fraud is if a household member fills out the voting ballots for everyone at home.

Mass unsupervised voting ? with the democrats who already allegedly bus in illegals to vote , what could go wrong ?

 

[boramk]

Mass unsupervised voting ? with the democrats who already allegedly bus in illegals to vote , what could go wrong ?

You're very good at deflecting but I didn't ask you to make up a scenario in your head. I'll cover it for now but I want you to answer my main question.

Illegals can't vote. When you show up to a ballot box you are looked up on a list for your district to make sure you are registered. If your name is not there, citizen or not. you can't vote

My question: How do you reconcile the president saying that mail in voting shouldn't be allowed when he himself votes this way?

 

[Jabulani22]

You're very good at deflecting but I didn't ask you to make up a scenario in your head. I'll cover it for now but I want you to answer my main question.

Illegals can't vote. When you show up to a ballot box you are looked up on a list for your district to make sure you are registered. If your name is not there, citizen or not. you can't vote

My question: How do you reconcile the president saying that mail in voting shouldn't be allowed when he himself votes this way?

Wow bold text , oh let me answer , he is probably more in the know than any of us so his attitude to this doesnt have to be reconciled by me , if he says its going to allow fraud on a mass scale i am inclined to believe him, also yeah public figures voting by mail can be overlooked to a degree as their numbers wont skew things as dramatically ,also nobody wants public figures being exposed to danger now do they .
So your deflection of my point is that no illegal has ever voted in a US election ?
Would you say its also impossible for them to get jobs or university degrees too ? you would be wrong on 3 counts.

 

[jack_spratt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264566642056536064

Golf is a great networking tool. A lot of deals are concluded on the course.

Trump never stops working!

 

[boramk]

Wow bold text , oh let me answer , he is probably more in the know than any of us so his attitude to this doesnt have to be reconciled by me , if he says its going to allow fraud on a mass scale i am inclined to believe him, also yeah public figures voting by mail can be overlooked to a degree as their numbers wont skew things as dramatically ,also nobody wants public figures being exposed to danger now do they .
So your deflection of my point is that no illegal has ever voted in a US election ?
Would you say its also impossible for them to get jobs or university degrees too ? you would be wrong on 3 counts.

You can't make up my stances on things then attack it. You come across as a person with no substance. And your answer is to believe a man who asked us to inject bleach into yourselves over evidence? The very idea that he is doing exactly what he is against doesn't bother you even a little? The problem with your kind of partisanship is that you'll throw integrity out the window if that means "your guy" wins.

I'm inclined to believe you and the president that there is massive voter fraud issues if there is substantial evidence of fraud. Please provide me evidence of this and I will change my mind. Until then, it's bullsht because we know that mail in ballot means more people will vote, and more people voting isn't good for Republicans. Trump said as much: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...0200410-qfnxhakicve3ndpxz64lcsqzr4-story.html

Show me the evidence. I'm not some rabid liberal. Republicans are pushing for voter ID checks at ballot booths and Democrats are heavily against this. This makes no sense to me and I think it's a useless battle that only provides ammo to conservatives like yourself who thinks this can lead to voter fraud. But I also know for voter fraud to exist at this level, one would need to know the name of someone living in a particular district and vote as that person if IDs aren't checked. Fraud? Yes, but is this easy to scale to tip elections? Give me a break.

 

[TysonRoux]

You can't make up my stances on things then attack it. You come across as a person with no substance. And your answer is to believe a man who asked us to inject bleach into yourselves over evidence? The very idea that he is doing exactly what he is against doesn't bother you even a little? The problem with your kind of partisanship is that you'll throw integrity out the window if that means "your guy" wins.

I'm inclined to believe you and the president that there is massive voter fraud issues if there is substantial evidence of fraud. Please provide me evidence of this and I will change my mind. Until then, it's bullsht because we know that mail in ballot means more people will vote, and more people voting isn't good for Republicans. Trump said as much: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...0200410-qfnxhakicve3ndpxz64lcsqzr4-story.html

Show me the evidence. I'm not some rabid liberal. Republicans are pushing for voter ID checks at ballot booths and Democrats are heavily against this. This makes no sense to me and I think it's a useless battle that only provides ammo to conservatives like yourself who thinks this can lead to voter fraud. But I also know for voter fraud to exist at this level, one would need to know the name of someone living in a particular district and vote as that person if IDs aren't checked. Fraud? Yes, but is this easy to scale to tip elections? Give me a break.

@boramk you're setting too many challenges.

 

[Jabulani22]

You can't make up my stances on things then attack it. You come across as a person with no substance. And your answer is to believe a man who asked us to inject bleach into yourselves over evidence? The very idea that he is doing exactly what he is against doesn't bother you even a little? The problem with your kind of partisanship is that you'll throw integrity out the window if that means "your guy" wins.

I'm inclined to believe you and the president that there is massive voter fraud issues if there is substantial evidence of fraud. Please provide me evidence of this and I will change my mind. Until then, it's bullsht because we know that mail in ballot means more people will vote, and more people voting isn't good for Republicans. Trump said as much: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...0200410-qfnxhakicve3ndpxz64lcsqzr4-story.html

Show me the evidence. I'm not some rabid liberal. Republicans are pushing for voter ID checks at ballot booths and Democrats are heavily against this. This makes no sense to me and I think it's a useless battle that only provides ammo to conservatives like yourself who thinks this can lead to voter fraud. But I also know for voter fraud to exist at this level, one would need to know the name of someone living in a particular district and vote as that person if IDs aren't checked. Fraud? Yes, but is this easy to scale to tip elections? Give me a break.

Never made up your stance just the logical conclusion of what you said , ad hominem , he never said that either .
3/10 see me after class.

While there is no evidence now of voter fraud one would need to have an election which would be affected by it to quantify the scale , you cant have that so the concerns before it happens are valid.

Voter id should be mandatory and voter fraud does happen as it stands in every system around the world .

As for the cover story of mail in due to covid , social distancing is the answer and longer times to vote but not mass unsupervised voting by people which could and would be skewed dramatically.

 

[greg0205]

Golf is a great networking tool. A lot of deals are concluded on the course.

Trump never stops working!

Jabu, is that you?

 

[Jabulani22]

Jabu, is that you?

Nope , i only have this account.
Pretty sure he's being tongue in cheek.

 

[cerebus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264388475530498050

 

[boramk]

Never made up your stance just the logical conclusion of what you said , ad hominem , he never said that either .
3/10 see me after class.

While there is no evidence now of voter fraud one would need to have an election which would be affected by it to quantify the scale , you cant have that so the concerns before it happens are valid.

Voter id should be mandatory and voter fraud does happen as it stands in every system around the world .

As for the cover story of mail in due to covid , social distancing is the answer and longer times to vote but not mass unsupervised voting by people which could and would be skewed dramatically.

Vote by mail has been around for decades. States like like Washington and Oregon are 100% vote by mail. Both those states are 11m+ people, intuition would say that there would be evidence of voter fraud by now in these two states for district, local, congressional and executive elections that happen every year right? (this is my first question to you) Let alone the 30+ other states that have vote by mail. There is no evidence.

What makes the 2020 elections special now that it will have voter fraud?
I agree voter ID should be a thing and vote fraud does happen. Where you and I are disagreeing with is the scale.

I've already mentioned how illegals literally won't be able to vote.

How not having an ID can allow you to vote if you know the name and address of specific people in every district you want to impersonate and mail in voter fraud can happen if a household member fills everyone's ballot and forges their signature. Can it happen? Yes. But neither of these voter fraud scenarios can happen at scale.

So let's have an honest discussion. Why is Trump pushing for this? There's no need to read between the line like with other Republicans, Trump was stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud. Because Republican will have a harder time to win. If I can vote at the comfort of my own home and drop it into a Post Box that's dotted around the country, weeks before the actual election. You will have more votes. This is what Republicans don't want. So my second question. How do you feel about suppressing votes? I'd imagine if it was the ANC and not GOP you'd have a different tune but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can see the hypocrisy of the above and own up to it. You can still be a conservative and call out BS things conservatives do.

I'm happy to have these discussions with you man but let's own up to our respective biases.

 

[Techne]

This "you ain't black" is going really well for Biden with the progressives...

 

[cerebus]

We Need to Speak Honestly About the GOP's Evolution Into a Conspiracy Cult | Washington Monthly

It's not biased or unprofessional to accurately describe what is happening.

washingtonmonthly.com

We Need to Speak Honestly About the GOP’s Evolution Into a Conspiracy Cult

Unfortunately, the modern Republican Party’s abdication of seriousness, good faith and reality-based communications or policy-making has stretched even the most open-minded analyst’s capacity for forced balance. Donald Trump’s own inability to string together coherent or consistent thoughts has led to a bizarre normalization of his statements in the traditional media, as journalists unconsciously try to fit his rambling, spontaneous utterances into a conventional framework. This has come at the cost of Americans seeing the full truth of the crisis of leadership in the Oval Office for what it is. For instance, it was ironically salutary for the American public to witness Donald Trump’s bizarre pandemic press conferences where he oddly attacked reporters for asking innocuous questions and recommended researching bleach and sunlight injections, because they got to see Trump raw as he truly is, without the normalization filter. Republicans have long argued that the “mainstream media filter” gives them a bad shake, but the reality is the opposite: sure, it’s not as good as being boosted by Fox News’ overt propaganda, but it does them a greater service than letting the public see them unfiltered at all.


But things have gotten even worse in the few years short years since the Trump era began. Once a far-fringe conspiracy theory relegated to 8chan and neo-nazi filled knockoffs of Reddit, the QAnon conspiracy theory (which, among other things, posits that a wide swath of prominent Democrats, celebrities and assorted rich people are engaged in pedophilia and adrenochrome harvesting of children, and that the Trump Administration is always just a few weeks away from conducting mass arrests and summary executions–but only once QANON followers have awakened enough of the “normie” public) has become so pervasive that not only do “Q” signs pop up at almost every major conservative rally or protest, but a true believer is now the GOP nominee for Senate in Oregon. When her campaign attempted to backtrack, she doubled down, saying “”My campaign is gonna kill me…How do I say this? Some people think that I follow Q like I follow Jesus. Q is the information and I stand with the information resource.” This conspiracy theory is destroying families, relationships, and the mental health of its adherents. A healthy and normal political party would inoculate itself from it and debunk it quickly. But the GOP is not a healthy or normal political party.

 

[Jabulani22]

Vote by mail has been around for decades. States like like Washington and Oregon are 100% vote by mail. Both those states are 11m+ people, intuition would say that there would be evidence of voter fraud by now in these two states for district, local, congressional and executive elections that happen every year right? (this is my first question to you) Let alone the 30+ other states that have vote by mail. There is no evidence.

What makes the 2020 elections special now that it will have voter fraud?
I agree voter ID should be a thing and vote fraud does happen. Where you and I are disagreeing with is the scale.

I've already mentioned how illegals literally won't be able to vote.

How not having an ID can allow you to vote if you know the name and address of specific people in every district you want to impersonate and mail in voter fraud can happen if a household member fills everyone's ballot and forges their signature. Can it happen? Yes. But neither of these voter fraud scenarios can happen at scale.

So let's have an honest discussion. Why is Trump pushing for this? There's no need to read between the line like with other Republicans, Trump was stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud. Because Republican will have a harder time to win. If I can vote at the comfort of my own home and drop it into a Post Box that's dotted around the country, weeks before the actual election. You will have more votes. This is what Republicans don't want. So my second question. How do you feel about suppressing votes? I'd imagine if it was the ANC and not GOP you'd have a different tune but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can see the hypocrisy of the above and own up to it. You can still be a conservative and call out BS things conservatives do.

I'm happy to have these discussions with you man but let's own up to our respective biases.

There possibly is mass voter fraud in those states , do you think they would let us know the scale honestly ?
Yeah repubs may have a harder time , this could be due to many factors some of which you have mentioned.
Suppressing votes ? not actually , chances are good that if you werent prepared to go out and vote that you still wouldnt anyhow with mail in , besides it should be the minimum threshold to count non-special votes , stand in line give your time and have your voice heard.
The repubs do a lot of wrong as i have said , Trump is also not the devil like leftists want you to believe.
As to what changed in the 2020 election , could be the "it was her turn" crowd which did all that subterfuge in the previous election and injured democracy might well have meant "its the democrat time now by any means necessary" , which they almost proved last election , yes i know its 2020 but if you dont look to the past actions then you will have repetition or worse.

Edit - the personal biases are i feel pushed by the ever escalating non stories made out by both sides , this is where identity politics thrives but real politics dies .
BOTH sides should stop trying to tar each other (although it is funny sometimes)over every little thing and get to the business of serving their people.

 

[TysonRoux]

NeverTrump conservatives hit the president where it hurts with expanded new ad campaign

"We face a collective mourning for the America we once knew," The Lincoln Project co-founder says

www.salon.com

President Donald Trump has been furious with The Lincoln Project, a group of Never Trump conservatives, over its "Mourning in America" ad — which lambasts the president over his botched response to the coronavirus pandemic. And the anti-Trump group has announced that it has expanded its "Mourning in America" ad buy, which will now include the densely populated Philadelphia area.


According to its May 20 press release, The Lincoln Project is also expanding the "Mourning in America" ad to Sioux City, Iowa and Lansing, Michigan — which is important because Pennsylvania, Michigan and Iowa are all key 2020 battleground states. And the last thing Trump needs in Pennsylvania is a heavy Democratic turnout in favor of Joe Biden (the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee) in the Philly suburbs.

 

[greg0205]

There possibly is mass voter fraud in those states , do you think they would let us know the scale honestly ?
Yeah repubs may have a harder time , this could be due to many factors some of which you have mentioned.
Suppressing votes ? not actually , chances are good that if you werent prepared to go out and vote that you still wouldnt anyhow with mail in , besides it should be the minimum threshold to count non-special votes , stand in line give your time and have your voice heard.
The repubs do a lot of wrong as i have said , Trump is also not the devil like leftists want you to believe.
As to what changed in the 2020 election , could be the "it was her turn" crowd which did all that subterfuge in the previous election and injured democracy might well have meant "its the democrat time now by any means necessary" , which they almost proved last election , yes i know its 2020 but if you dont look to the past actions then you will have repetition or worse.

Edit - the personal biases are i feel pushed by the ever escalating non stories made out by both sides , this is where identity politics thrives but real politics dies .
BOTH sides should stop trying to tar each other (although it is funny sometimes)over every little thing and get to the business of serving their people.

The Brennan Center:

The verdict is in from every corner that voter fraud is sufficiently rare that it simply could not and does not happen at the rate even approaching that which would be required to “rig” an election.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legal-work/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

FactCheck:

There is no evidence of widespread voting by immigrants in the country illegally, or by people voting on behalf of dead people, as Trump has repeatedly alleged. There is no evidence of busloads of people from Massachusetts pouring into New Hampshire to skew voting there. There is no evidence that millions of illegal votes caused Trump to lose the popular vote to Hillary Clinton in 2016. And mismatched signatures on mail-in ballots– often the result of handwriting changing over time — aren’t proof of “electoral corruption.”

Trump's Latest Voter Fraud Misinformation - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump continues to add false and exaggerated statements to his already lengthy list of bogus voter fraud claims.

www.factcheck.org

... or as Voter Fraud Facts put it:

Between 2000 and 2010 there were:

649 Million votes cast in general elections
47 000 UFO sightings
441 Americans killed by lightning
13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

 

[boramk]

There possibly is mass voter fraud in those states , do you think they would let us know the scale honestly ?
Yeah repubs may have a harder time , this could be due to many factors some of which you have mentioned.
Suppressing votes ? not actually , chances are good that if you werent prepared to go out and vote that you still wouldnt anyhow with mail in , besides it should be the minimum threshold to count non-special votes , stand in line give your time and have your voice heard.
The repubs do a lot of wrong as i have said , Trump is also not the devil like leftists want you to believe.
As to what changed in the 2020 election , could be the "it was her turn" crowd which did all that subterfuge in the previous election and injured democracy might well have meant "its the democrat time now by any means necessary" , which they almost proved last election , yes i know its 2020 but if you dont look to the past actions then you will have repetition or worse.

Edit - the personal biases are i feel pushed by the ever escalating non stories made out by both sides , this is where identity politics thrives but real politics dies .
BOTH sides should stop trying to tar each other (although it is funny sometimes)over every little thing and get to the business of serving their people.

Why would they not let us know if millions of votes cast, there was large scale fraud? Because they're in democratic states? As I said it's available in 33 states and a lot of them are Republican. Hell Utah is deeply conservative. No indication of widespread fraud. So what is the reason to stop people from voting by mail?So they can stand in line and get sick like in Wisconsin? Cases there spiked 2 weeks after their election.

I don't understand the reason why we have to stand in line if we get the exact same ballot mailed to us? If I have more time to fill it out and think deeply about the down ballot candidates and research their positions. If I go into the booth today, besides the ones running for President and Senate, I don't know the positions of the hundreds of other names I have to vote for. I will if I can vote from home. In addition, the US doesn't give you paid time off to go vote, so many people particularly minorities are stuck working and can't vote. Mail in ballot would get rid of this problem, but this is exactly the problem Republicans want to keep.

I think the biases are pushed by our news sources and social media. It's really easy to come on here with links to articles that support your POV and have fellow conservatives or liberals pat you back for "owning the other side" but I recommend unbiased news sources with just the figures and facts.

And buddy, there ain't no evidence of fraud and I've given you reasons why it would be difficult. So are you going to admit mail in ballots are not really an issue or this something so entrenched in you from the media you consume that it is wrong?

 

[boramk]

Trump's Latest Voter Fraud Misinformation - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump continues to add false and exaggerated statements to his already lengthy list of bogus voter fraud claims.

www.factcheck.org

... or as Voter Fraud Facts put it:

Between 2000 and 2010 there were:

649 Million votes cast in general elections
47 000 UFO sightings
441 Americans killed by lightning
13 credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

I just want to point out that factcheck.org is completely unbiased and is the type of information you should use to formulate your independent ideas Jabulani. As I mentioned in my prior post. I could watch TYT all day and feel angry at how much of a monster he is or I could watch Fox News all day and just love the guy to bits. Or I can look at unbiased data and come to my own conclusion: Trump is lying and he wants to suppress votes over a non-issue and is willing to have people wait in line and get the virus. He is even willing to go so far as deny the USPS federal money to run. Hey if the post office collapses because I don't fund them? We can't do mail in ballot amiright?

FactCheck.org Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of FactCheck.org. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

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