I love making liberals angry. It is so easy these days, because they find it so difficult to believe that the USA voted for Trump, and will vote for him again, and the UK voted for Brexit, twice. Anyway.
Nice pivot. Can't support your ignorant strawman so you default to 'trigger the libs' inanity.
Ancalagon said:
Incidentally, you should do some reading about how some local infrastructure is struggling to cope with the influx of people. It just wasn't designed for such a rapid influx of people in such a short time - that is the reality. Happens all over the world wherever there is high immigration.
Sure, at a high enough level, the USA looks just fine. But dig in a little, look at the effects of mass immigration on smaller towns, and in some cases there have been some noticeable negative effects.
There's no semblance of an argument in here. What is 'mass immigration'? At what level does it become 'mass', specifically, as opposed to regular immigration?
Also, you specifically said things would be under such a strain that it would "collapse virtually overnight" - why hasn't this happened?
And small and rural towns, especially in the US, are being kept alive or economically developed by immigrants.
Waves of Asian, African and Latino newcomers have filled jobs at pork, egg and turkey plants where wages have fallen and work has grown more grueling.
www.nytimes.com
harvardpolitics.com
Small and rural towns across America are increasingly faced with the opportunities and challenges that come with settling new immigrants. In nearly 3,000 rural American towns, the immigrant population grew by 130 percent since 1990. While immigrants are increasingly credited with bringing growth...
immigrationimpact.com
Ancalagon said:
But anyway, all of this is slightly beyond the point, because I'm still struggling to understand why you should not deport an illegal immigrant.
Who are you talking about? The most extreme proposal I've seen from anyone is one that makes illegal entry a civil offense, meaning they can still be deported.
Part of the reason is because of the insane abuse by ICE and CBP, including deporting
American citizens, the slave labour cerebus posted about, and SWAT-like raids on communities where they break down doors and assault vulnerable people.
Ancalagon said:
If we allow them to stay, we are saying that if you evade the law for long enough, you can get away with it.
Or if you
praise Trump on Fox News,
give him money, or
are a war criminal.
Ancalagon said:
The statute of limitations, if such a thing exists in the US, I believe would only apply once you have been charged.
That's the opposite of what statutes of limitations are, which defines the period within which charges should be brought.
Ancalagon said:
If you are an illegal immigrant, you know what you are doing is wrong when you do it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
DACA recipients were literally children, who have never lived anywhere but the US. How does it help
anyone to deport them? It's incredibly and needlessly cruel.
You have clearly never tried to understand why many of migrants cross illegally. It's because they're literally fleeing for their lives and the formal process
has been made as hard as possible, with many applicants being turned away at the border entry zones, despite sanctimoniously being told to go there. Then also if they get deported they could very well get killed.
A majority of the deaths occurred less than a year after the deportees returned
time.com
It's not a coincidence that countries from the Northern Triangle make up the vast majority - these countries have been wracked by civil war, usually with the US government playing an integral part in recent history.
Much of the violence in the Northern Triangle was exported from the US, too. Some of the most vicious drug cartels and gangs there were founded in the US and the US support for the war on drugs keep them alive. Same as in Mexico.
If you're interested, this is a very good podcast on the topic:
Chris Hayes speaks with Lee Gelernt, an ACLU attorney who is suing the Trump administration to stop families being separated at the border.
www.nbcnews.com
Ancalagon said:
Or, perhaps I will ask what penalty would you think is appropriate for someone who evaded the law for 30 years? Do we throw them a party? Imprison them and then release them - seems odd for an immigrant. Deporting them is actually the most fair.
You know illegal entry is a misdemeanor, right? It's like jaywalking. Would you throw someone in prison for jaywalking?
I have no problem with deporting violent criminals or illegal immigrants generally, outside of humanitarian (refugee and asylum seeker) cases. But there needs to be due process and a stop to the vile behaviour Trump's minion Stephen Miller has propagated. It's an authoritarian nightmare.
As an aside, you know who else gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants?
St. Reagan, that damn lefty lib hero.
www.timeslive.co.za
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