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Unhappy438

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Yeah. There's a lot wrong with farming subsidies(not a tax break). But everyone is doing it. And for food security reasons I geuss they need to prop up their farmers in order to be able to compete with China and Brazil.

Why would billionaire farmers need propping up?

Take it from Ray Dalio, its a longish read but certainly worth it.

 

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$226000 of student debt is insane, I don't care what degree you did. When I graduated from my UK BA I had around £8000 of loans. I don't know how you can blame her for wanting someone to lower the cost of higher education.

Of course it should be much cheaper.
And people who take out any loans should not have to pay them back and should not take responsibility for their actions. Other people should pay their bills.
 

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Why would billionaire farmers need propping up?

Take it from Ray Dalio, its a longish read but certainly worth it.

I like ray so I'll finish it later but what he gets wrong here is that the current system isn't capitalism, he is blaming the wrong thing.
Government subsidies isn't capitalism.
The US has a mixed market, and it seems like it's already infected with too much communism and government regulation.

The investor says he became a capitalist at 12 when he earned his first wages by delivering newspapers, mowing lawns and caddying, and invested them in the stock market while it was hot in the 1960s.

This is probably the main tell. Capitalist systems support good old child labour.

You can see when the communists enter when they start regulating child labour laws.


Edit okay done. It wasn't that long. Ray dalio is a genius on some of his other stuff. But there's many things he gets wrong in that piece. Either he is getting old or he has been infected with the socialism.
 
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First, that tweet is stupid. A degree in speech pathology is not a useless degree. Tell that to a parent whose child needs to see a speech pathologist for a speech impediment, or an adult who has lost part of their jawbone through trauma or cancer and needs to see a speech pathologist, or someone who has sustained damage to their vocal cords through trauma or cancer and needs to see a speech pathologist.

Second, what is the context to this debt? It sounds excessive and likely is not the norm. Did the student fail subjects and her four year degree turned into a seven year degree? Did she switch degrees halfway through? She may have herself to blame in part for this amount of debt.
 

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Show us receipts... theres a very very very small like 0.1% that owe that much and they spend close to a decade studying to be doctors etc. Whats the average student debt in US? 25k'ish? How did she get an extra 0 on hers. Private medical school is like 50-60k per year in US, wtf was she doing with 200k+ for her speech pathology?
 

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Show us receipts... theres a very very very small like 0.1% that owe that much and they spend close to a decade studying to be doctors etc. Whats the average student debt in US? 25k'ish? How did she get an extra 0 on hers. Private medical school is like 50-60k per year in US, wtf was she doing with 200k+ for her speech pathology?

So shes not a typical Bernie supporter then, good to know. More fake news from Pegasus.
 
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Why would billionaire farmers need propping up?

Take it from Ray Dalio, its a longish read but certainly worth it.


Simple - you reward your big voting constituencies. It often doesn't make economic sense but it is what happens in politics these days. Most farmers are also not billionaires and certain farmers have been suffering from the trade war and Trump needs to keep them on side.
 

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Simple - you reward your big voting constituencies. It often doesn't make economic sense but it is what happens in politics these days. Most farmers are also not billionaires and certain farmers have been suffering from the trade war and Trump needs to keep them on side.
Just like the ANC does. I knew I had seen this from somewhere before.

Thanks.
 

Unhappy438

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Simple - you reward your big voting constituencies. It often doesn't make economic sense but it is what happens in politics these days. Most farmers are also not billionaires and certain farmers have been suffering from the trade war and Trump needs to keep them on side.

Communism for me and not for thee.

Who is the deciding authority on what constitutes a typical Bernie supporter?

Pegasus twitter bloke apparently.
 

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Why would billionaire farmers need propping up?

Take it from Ray Dalio, its a longish read but certainly worth it.

Farm subsidies are a demonstrable example of government stupidity. Especially in the US where most of it goes to corn and soy.

Which means that US foods end up being loaded with high fructose corn syrup and oestrogen loaded soy because these products are artificially cheap.
Get rid of the subsidies and you will see normal levels of HFCS and soy in foods.
 

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Show us receipts... theres a very very very small like 0.1% that owe that much and they spend close to a decade studying to be doctors etc. Whats the average student debt in US? 25k'ish? How did she get an extra 0 on hers. Private medical school is like 50-60k per year in US, wtf was she doing with 200k+ for her speech pathology?

People in the US are retarded in how they spend their student loans. The US student loan program is pretty liberal in that you can spend the money in any way you want to.

While borrowers with large balances are not typical, they account for a growing share of all student loans. A third of all student loan debt is owed by the 5.5 percent of borrowers with balances above $100,000—and more than 40 percent of these are enrolled in income-based repayment plans that mean they may not have to pay back all the money they borrowed. Thanks to a 2006 law, graduate students may borrow not only the cost of tuition but also living expenses while they are in school. Income-based repayment plans cap borrower’s payments at 10 percent of their discretionary income (adjusted gross income minus 150 percent of the poverty line—$37,650 for a family of four) and forgive any remaining balance after 25 years.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...ebt-spells-trouble-for-federal-loan-programs/

And how this idiot got $1 million in student loans:

After living with his parents for 15 months, Mr. Meru and his wife moved to a one-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles with a monthly rent of $1,550. When Mrs. Meru became pregnant in 2010, the couple paid $1,800 for a two-bedroom.
One luxury was buying a used Mercedes-Benz, which carried a monthly payment of $390. Beyond that, Mr. Meru said, the couple restrained their spending. For fun, they went camping.
Mr. Meru said he spent 40 hours a week at school. He reserved evenings for studying and helping care for his young family, which left no time for a job.
By the spring of 2009, the end of his fourth year, Mr. Meru’s loans had reached about $340,000, still in line with the original estimates from the financial-aid director. That would change as he chased his dream.
After graduating from dental school that spring, Mr. Meru began orthodontics. Unlike doctors, who usually are paid to perform residencies at hospitals, dental specialists often perform their residency at universities that charge tuition.
For the next three years, Mr. Meru continued his studies at USC, and continued to borrow for tuition. Of his growing debt, he said, “I just wouldn’t look. The only thing looking did was create stress.”
After finishing the orthodontics residency in 2012, Mr. Meru used a government option known as forbearance, which allows borrowers to postpone payments. Mr. Meru said he earned little his first year out of school and needed all of it to support his family. Interest continued to accrue, expanding his debt through the magic of compounding.
https://archive.ph/GeEDO
 

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Just like the ANC does. I knew I had seen this from somewhere before.

Thanks.
All political parties do it.

You must join me on the dark side, and rid the government of its spending addiction.
 
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