US Election 2020

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The current trajectory of the world is not sustainable. There are too many people and too few opportunities. What future does the average young person have? Only the very strongest do well. It's scary.
 
lumeer said:
The current trajectory of the world is not sustainable. There are too many people and too few opportunities. What future does the average young person have? Only the very strongest do well. It's scary.
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This ain't the PD section
 
Pegasus said:
This ain't the PD section
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My point is, this is why Sanders has so much support. Millions of people who can't access specialised healthcare and who see no future for themselves, feel hope in Sanders.
 
lumeer said:
My point is, this is why Sanders has so much support. Millions of people who can't access specialised healthcare and who see no future for themselves, feel hope in Sanders.
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That's why people voted for Obama. they got Obamacare.

Trump wants people to be able to get jobs and pay less taxes so they can pay their own way.
 
lumeer said:
My point is, this is why Sanders has so much support. Millions of people who can't access specialised healthcare and who see no future for themselves, feel hope in Sanders.
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It is sad that they are buying his snake oil, there is absolutely no chance the US can afford all his promises.
 
Pegasus said:
That's why people voted for Obama. they got Obamacare.

Trump wants people to be able to get jobs and pay less taxes so they can pay their own way.
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What if the person can't? Sick people often can't work. What are they to do if they can't work, or can only work a very limited job, and don't have family who can support them? What are they to do if they get sick and need expensive medical treatment, or expensive chronic medication?
 
BBSA said:
It is sad that they are buying his snake oil, there is absolutely no chance the US can afford all his promises.
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All that he is proposing is what many other developed countries are already doing. Why can't the US, the wealthiest country of all, do it?
 
Not a Bernie fan.

No fan of any Dem candidate really. Its 2016 all over again.
 
buka001 said:
Not a Bernie fan.

No fan of any Dem candidate really. Its 2016 all over again.
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Your attitude is a good one. In 2016, Democrats assumed Hillary would win, and became complacent. Let Republicans make the same mistake in 2020. Those who want a Democrat president can help to manifest this outcome by creating amongst Republicans the feeling that Trump is unstoppable. With any luck, his supporters will stay home to watch TV rather than go out and vote on election day, as Democrats did in 2016.
 
lumeer said:
The current trajectory of the world is not sustainable. There are too many people and too few opportunities. What future does the average young person have? Only the very strongest do well. It's scary.
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Agree and my two reasons would be straight forward and simple, yet rarely talked about:
1-The digital Era (AI & 4IR etc etc). The digital era depends totally on stable supply of power and apart from that it has some abstract difficult to understand steering capabilities, its also hopelessly overvalued, embedded everywhere and will bind up monetary systems, it never matures.
2-Today compared to 100 years ago, loads of fairytale parasitic jobs are promised and created which all suck money.
Imagine a dog full of ticks, it can sustain only so much before it give in and die eventually.

Now this is poorly understood.
 
lumeer said:
What if the person can't? Sick people often can't work. What are they to do if they can't work, or can only work a very limited job, and don't have family who can support them? What are they to do if they get sick and need expensive medical treatment, or expensive chronic medication?
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What if someone can't afford a ferrari?
 
lumeer said:
Your attitude is a good one. In 2016, Democrats assumed Hillary would win, and became complacent. Let Republicans make the same mistake in 2020. Those who want a Democrat president can help to manifest this outcome by creating amongst Republicans the feeling that Trump is unstoppable. With any luck, his supporters will stay home to watch TV rather than go out and vote on election day, as Democrats did in 2016.
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Here's your problem with your thesis: there are far more conservative leaning voters than progressive voters. It's also interesting to tote that well-educated, up-scale suburbanites are going for Buttigieg or Warren than Sanders in the Democratic primaries.

Democrats succeeded in Trump country because the Democratic Party attracted a broad coalition of moderates and liberals. The Sanders campaign aims first and foremost to reinvent the Democratic coalition as a narrower ideological movement, in much the same way that the once-broad Republican coalition has been transformed. But the difference between the two is that many fewer Americans identify as “progressive” than as “conservative.” Worse for Democrats: Not only does Sanders propose to break the cookie in such a way as to leave his party with the smaller piece, but he also does so in a political context that already disfavors them.
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www.theatlantic.com

The Price of a Sanders Nomination

Nancy Pelosi’s majority is new, fragile, and dependent on voters who are more conservative than the median Democrat.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
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