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cerebus said:
I thought they were an example of the free market solving problems without socialist intervention, now you want the state to regulate them?
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Comprehension fail. They are regulated. That's the problem.
 
Moosedrool said:
What are you smoking?

Tell that to the firefighter who one day pulls you out of a burning building. Or the legal process letting you go for defending yourself.

Wealth redistribution... :crylaugh:
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Yes, that's exactly what public services are. :confused:

Unhappy438 said:
Whilst im by no means a fan of theirs i think you are being overly dramatic, their stupidity will hardly register on your life in South Africa.
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Garson is an interesting example of the horseshoe theory. Used to be a communist, then swung around to lunacy on the other end of the spectrum. :D
 
cerebus said:
How do words do anything? Through intent and authority.
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There's no intent displayed to stop the Russian stupidity through the use of authority. Even though Trump should probably give them a deadline because that's just a waste of resources.
 
rietrot said:
There's no intent displayed to stop the Russian stupidity through the use of authority. Even though Trump should probably give them a deadline because that's just a waste of resources.
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And by "stupidity" you mean four Trump advisers, twenty six Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man and one London-based lawyer, five of whom have already pleaded guilty.

For your benefit, I'm posting a link to a comparison with other investigations like Watergate, Iran Contra, Whitewater and such... All a year in and all measured by indictments brought by that stage... Also handy, you can see how long those investigations lasted.

Spoiler alert: Only Watergate comes close to what Mueller has done so far.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/

PS: Perhaps take an antihistamine first. I know how you break out with rash when dealing with facts.
 
greg0205 said:
And by "stupidity" you mean four Trump advisers, twenty six Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man and one London-based lawyer, five of whom have already pleaded guilty.

For your benefit, I'm posting a link to a comparison with other investigations like Watergate, Iran Contra, Whitewater and such... All a year in and all measured by indictments brought by that stage... Also handy, you can see how long those investigations lasted.

Spoiler alert: Only Watergate comes close to what Mueller has done so far.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ares-to-watergate-iran-contra-and-whitewater/

PS: Perhaps take an antihistamine first. I know how you break out with rash when dealing with facts.
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1ste guilty plea guy.
Van der Zwaan was charged by Mueller’s team with making false statements to investigators in an interview about his time working for a law firm hired by the Ukraine Ministry of Justice in 2012, when he helped produce a report on the trail of Ukrainian politician Yulia Tymoshenko.

Van der Zwaan is accused of lying about his last communication with former Trump campaign adviser Rick Gates, who was indicted in October along with former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort on charges related to their work in Ukraine...It also says he claimed that his last communication with an unidentified “Person A” was in 2014.

But Mueller's team said that van der Zwaan spoke with Gates and Person A in September 2016, and that he deleted "and otherwise did not produce emails" sought by Mueller’s office -- including an email between him and “Person A” in September 2016.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...l-investigators-in-special-counsel-probe.html

Does it get better, or will I simply be wasting my time if I look up what these guys actually pleaded guilty to? Because this one is rather silly.


And indictments doesn't mean anything. So counting the number of indictments is stupid.
 
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This is bonkers.

Saudi Arabia Planned to Invade Qatar Last Summer. Rex Tillerson’s Efforts to Stop It May Have Cost Him His Job.

But in the months that followed his departure, press reports strongly suggested that the countries lobbying hardest for Tillerson’s removal were Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, both of which were frustrated by Tillerson’s attempts to mediate and end their blockade of Qatar. One report in the New York Times even suggested that the UAE ambassador to Washington knew that Tillerson would be forced out three months before he was fired in March.

The Intercept has learned of a previously unreported episode that stoked the UAE and Saudi Arabia’s anger at Tillerson and that may have played a key role in his removal. In the summer of 2017, several months before the Gulf allies started pushing for his ouster, Tillerson intervened to stop a secret Saudi-led, UAE-backed plan to invade and essentially conquer Qatar, according to one current member of the U.S. intelligence community and two former State Department officials, all of whom declined to be named, citing the sensitivity of the matter.

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In the days and weeks after Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, and Bahrain cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and closed down their land, sea, and air borders with the country, Tillerson made a series of phone calls urging Saudi officials not to take military action against the country. The flurry of calls in June 2017 has been reported, but State Department and press accounts at the time described them as part of a broad-strokes effort to resolve tensions in the Gulf, not as an attempt by Tillerson to avert a Saudi-led military operation.

Pressure from Tillerson caused Mohammed bin Salman, the de facto ruler of the country, to back down, concerned that the invasion would damage Saudi Arabia’s long-term relationship with the U.S. But Tillerson’s intervention enraged Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi and effective ruler of that country, according to the U.S. intelligence official and a source close to the Emirati royal family, who declined to be identified, citing concerns about his safety.

Later that June, Mohammed bin Salman would be named crown prince, leapfrogging over his cousin to become next in line for the throne after his elderly father. His ascension signaled his growing influence over the kingdom’s affairs.

Qatari intelligence agents working inside Saudi Arabia discovered the plan in the early summer of 2017, according to the U.S. intelligence official. Tillerson acted after the Qatari government notified him and the U.S. embassy in Doha. Several months later, intelligence reporting by the U.S. and U.K. confirmed the existence of the plan.

The plan, which was largely devised by the Saudi and UAE crown princes and was likely some weeks away from being implemented, involved Saudi ground troops crossing the land border into Qatar, and, with military support from the UAE, advancing roughly 70 miles toward Doha. Circumventing the U.S. air base, Saudi forces would then seize the capital.
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The influence of ME theocracies in the US system (apart from Israel) is really under-covered and appreciated.
 
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BOOM! Trump Approval at 50% — 5 POINTS HIGHER THAN OBAMA at Same Point in His Presidency

Despite the continued media anti-Trump hysterics over the past several months including the meltdown after President Trump said kind words to Vlad Putin — the US president’s approval rating continues to rise.

President Trump’s approval rating is currently at 50% on Rasmussen Reports.

Media darling Barack Obama had an approval rating of 45% on August 2, 2010.

President Trump is now 5 points ahead of Barack Obama at a similar point in his presidency.
And this is while 90% of network media coverage has been negative of President Trump.
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Yeah, Rasmussen - sucking up to the orange arse forever.

If I had to believe that 50% of Americans approve of Trump then I'd have to say that 50% of Americans could be sold that bridge in Brooklyn, over and over again.

Perhaps that second thought is true.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
This is bonkers.

Saudi Arabia Planned to Invade Qatar Last Summer. Rex Tillerson’s Efforts to Stop It May Have Cost Him His Job.

The influence of ME theocracies in the US system (apart from Israel) is really under-covered and appreciated.
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Holy F******* S***!

That would have been an interesting event, had that happened. Not to forget Gulf War 1 all took place because of Iraq invading Kuwait.

America would have done nothing to Saudi had they invaded Qatar.

Oh and so much for America First, By America, always for America ....
 
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