US politics general thread

[greg0205]

Florida candidate poses with fake diploma after questions about her credentials



Taking her cues from the orange cheeto.

We're living in an Onion parody.

 

[rietrot]

I think he's touchy this morning 'cos thousands of folk met peacefully to laugh his thirty mates out of Washington at the Unite The Right rally yesterday.

Yeah. Shutting down other people's right to protest and march and free speech. No way that can end badly. As long as your side keeps "winning".

 

[greg0205]

Yeah. Shutting down other people's right to protest and march and free speech. No way that can end badly. As long as your side keeps "winning".

No, no... Your pals still protested. Shame and humiliation got 'em in the end.

Oh, shame is the consciousness of wrong or foolish behaviour, and humiliation is acutely feeling that shame. Thought you might need that. You're welcome.

 

[cerebus]

Let's not kid ourselves. This is his 'both sides' nonsense re-branded.

I know, I know... it's just... look the bar is really low here, ok?

 

[buka001]

Let's not kid ourselves. This is his 'both sides' nonsense re-branded. "All forms" is just a BS false equivalence and a way not to address the actual issue.

I mean, how hard would it be to say "white nationalism has no place in the MAGA movement". The fact that he still cannot bring himself to do it says it all. And the fact that he expounds racism himself constantly negates his empty words anyway.

So true.

A picture of one of the bikers who attended the "Bikers for Trump" rally.

Really does attract the best people.

 

[greg0205]

Let's not kid ourselves. This is his 'both sides' nonsense re-branded. "All forms" is just a BS false equivalence and a way not to address the actual issue.

I mean, how hard would it be to say "white nationalism has no place in the MAGA movement". The fact that he still cannot bring himself to do it says it all. And the fact that he expounds racism himself constantly negates his empty words anyway.

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When Trump criticizes "all types of racism" he's using false equivalence to wink at those who peddle in the distortions of white grievance. It makes a mockery of our history and our present. It's not calming and unifying. it's provocative and divisive. And it's intentional.

5:58 PM - 12 Aug 2018

http://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1028672176935727105

 

[Rubberpigg]

McCain had the wealth and the connections to avoid serving, but he didn't take the easy way out, and that says more about his moral fibre than any documentary can.

An alt-leftie who thinks that a warmongering neocon Republican politician with blood on his hands and who divorced his crippled wife of 15 years to remarry an heir to an Arizona brewing fortune just one month later,is a person of high moral fibre.
Scary stuff!!

 

[konfab]

Let's not kid ourselves. This is his 'both sides' nonsense re-branded. "All forms" is just a BS false equivalence and a way not to address the actual issue.

I mean, how hard would it be to say "white nationalism has no place in the MAGA movement". The fact that he still cannot bring himself to do it says it all. And the fact that he expounds racism himself constantly negates his empty words anyway.

No, you just have your head in the sand with the other SJW like that NYT bimbo spouting nonsense like "racism is power+prejudice". "All forms" is the genuine liberal position, and it irks you that Trump is actually in the right here.

 

[cerebus]

No, you just have your head in the sand with the other SJW like that NYT bimbo spouting nonsense like "racism is power+prejudice". "All forms" is the genuine liberal position, and it irks you that Trump is actually in the right here.

Yeah just look at these genuine liberals

 

[Alan]

So true.

A picture of one of the bikers who attended the "Bikers for Trump" rally.

Really does attract the best people./snip

lolz still going with the nazi tattoos tactic.

The federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency is pushing back against a social media post implying that a combat-wounded New Port Richey veteran has a Nazi symbol tattooed on his arm.

In a tweet Monday afternoon, ICE officials denied the veteran is associated with Nazis. It quotes Justin Gaertner, a Marine who lost both legs to an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan in 2011, saying that the tattoo is not an Iron Cross but a "Titan 2" design, the symbol of his platoon.

Gaertner has been featured in news stories about a public-private program to investigate pedophiles, called the Human Exploitation Rescue Operative Child-Rescue Corps or HERO. Created by U.S. Special Operations Command, Homeland Security Investigations and the National Association to Protect Children, the program trains wounded, ill and injured commandos in computer forensics and law enforcement skills to help in the fight against online child sexual exploitation.

Gaertner was a member of HERO's first class. He was not a part of the special operations community but did serve as an intern with SOCom's Care Coalition, which helps wounded, ill and injured commandos.Over the weekend, according to the ICE tweet, reporter Talia Lavin from New Yorker magazine posted a tweet implying that the tattoo was the Iron Cross, a military decoration that dates to the Kingdom of Prussia and was used by Nazi forces. An image of Gaernter and his tattoos apparently first appeared in an ICE tweet from May promoting the HERO program.

https://www.military.com/off-duty/2...s-afghanistan-veteran-having-nazi-tattoo.html

oh lets not forget haircuts...

Samantha Bee apologizes after mocking man with brain cancer for having Nazi hair

 

[konfab]

Well then its already ended badly, just, you know, for folk who *aren't* Alex Jones, but rather the targets of his poison... Check the Alex Jones thread... All the folk saying he still has his first amendment rights are 100% correct. They're also 100% correct when they say that private companies are *not* a public square and they most certainly can choose who to allow on their platforms.

rietrot posted that Orwell quote a couple of pages back... can I take it from your post that you subscribe to the "some animals are more equal than others" theory, and have you put Jones in that category? If so, why? Why should Jones be entitled to protections he denied Noah's parents?

So a monopolistic,billion dollar media company like Facebook is allowed to not do business with people they don't like because they are a private company? Yet in the same breath you would use the government to force a small cake baker to to business with people they don't like.

rietrot posted that Orwell quote a couple of pages back... can I take it from your post that you subscribe to the "some animals are more equal than others" theory, and have you put Jones in that category? If so, why? Why should Jones be entitled to protections he denied Noah's parents?

Everyone has such a hate boner for Alex Jones that they are not asking the correct questions. For example: what content in particular was so horrendous that it was suitable enough to get him simultaneously banned from all social media. This is something that they should have pointed out.

You take Lauren Southern getting banned on Patreon for participating in the Defend Europe operation. They explicitly said why she was banned as she was using the money she got from them to do an illegal activity. That is the standard that we should be demanding from these companies. I do not think it is unreasonable that if they ban someone, they replace the page that was banned with a page stating reason why they were banned and the specific code of conduct violation.

 

[buka001]

lolz still going with the nazi tattoos tactic.



https://www.military.com/off-duty/2...s-afghanistan-veteran-having-nazi-tattoo.html

oh lets not forget haircuts...

Samantha Bee apologizes after mocking man with brain cancer for having Nazi hair

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An SS tattoo, is not a Nazi symbol?

Your article is about someone completely different, sporting a completely different tattoo? Relevance?

Feel free to address the actual SS tattoo in question, then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion on the topic. Until then keep trying I guess?

 

[konfab]

Yeah just look at these genuine liberals

What is the point you are trying to make? That white lives matter is just as bad as Black lives matter? Or that Black Lives matter has some sort of a moral superiority over White lives matter?

 

[cerebus]

What is the point you are trying to make? That white lives matter is just as bad as Black lives matter? Or that Black Lives matter has some sort of a moral superiority over White lives matter?

That WLM and other 'racism-against-whites' social justice movements are usually a front for white supremacists and Trump is pandering to them when he condemns "all forms" of racism.

 

[rietrot]

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An SS tattoo, is not a Nazi symbol?

Your article is about someone completely different, sporting a completely different tattoo? Relevance?

Feel free to address the actual SS tattoo in question, then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion on the topic. Until then keep trying I guess?

What does it even matter if the guy has a SS tattoo and he is a confused hillbilly pretending to be a Nazi/German because he is lacking in his own culture and group identity? Why are you guys so terribly scared of these losers?

 

[Unhappy438]

An alt-leftie who thinks that a warmongering neocon Republican politician with blood on his hands and who divorced his crippled wife of 15 years to remarry an heir to an Arizona brewing fortune just one month later,is a person of high moral fibre.
Scary stuff!!

I dont see anywhere where its stated he has "high moral fibre" just that he has more moral fibre than Trump (which isnt hard btw).

So the scary stuff is your comprehension fail.

 

[greg0205]

So a monopolistic,billion dollar media company like Facebook is allowed to not do business with people they don't like because they are a private company? Yet in the same breath you would use the government to force a small cake baker to to business with people they don't like.




Everyone has such a hate boner for Alex Jones that they are not asking the correct questions. For example: what content in particular was so horrendous that it was suitable enough to get him simultaneously banned from all social media. This is something that they should have pointed out.

You take Lauren Southern getting banned on Patreon for participating in the Defend Europe operation. They explicitly said why she was banned as she was using the money she got from them to do an illegal activity. That is the standard that we should be demanding from these companies. I do not think it is unreasonable that if they ban someone, they replace the page that was banned with a page stating reason why they were banned and the specific code of conduct violation.

Y'all are just itching to resuscitate your, 'what if gay folk are *forced* to buy from bigot bakers' deceit with this "allowed to not do business with people they don't like" ersatz aren't ya? Again, 'cos you're in the cheap seats and might not have heard the first time around... Private companies are just that, private. They are free to do business with whoever they like.
Citizens of a country are bound by the laws of the land. If those laws protect folk from bigotry, racism and sexism, bigots, racists and misogynists *can* fall foul of the law.

As far as your second part goes? Here, let me help you out...

Why Facebook banned Alex Jones — and Twitter didn’t

Mr. Zuckerberg, an engineer by training and temperament, has always preferred narrow process decisions to broad, subjective judgments. His evaluation of Infowars took the form of a series of technical policy questions. They included whether the mass-reporting of Infowars posts constituted coordinated “brigading,” a tactic common in online harassment campaigns. Executives also debated whether Mr. Jones should receive a “strike” for each post containing hate speech (which would lead to removing his pages as well as the individual posts) or a single, collective strike (which would remove the posts, but leave his pages up).

Late Sunday, Apple — which has often tried to stake out moral high ground on contentious debates — removed Infowars podcasts from iTunes. After seeing the news, Mr. Zuckerberg sent a note to his team confirming his own decision: the strikes against Infowars and Mr. Jones would count individually, and the pages would come down. The announcement arrived at 3 a.m. Pacific time.

Twitter says InfoWars hasn't 'violated our rules.' It looks like that's not the case

Twitter's vice president for trust and safety, Del Harvey, told employees in an email on Wednesday that if far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his fringe media organization InfoWars had posted to Twitter the same content that led YouTube and Facebook to take action against Jones and InfoWars, Twitter would have done something too.

"It's worth noting that at least some of the content Alex Jones published on other platforms (e.g., Facebook and YouTube) that led to them taking enforcement against him would have also violated our policies had he posted it on Twitter," Harvey wrote. "Had he done so, we would have taken action against him as well."

But a CNN review of Jones' accounts show that all of the videos that initially led the other tech companies to take action against Jones were in fact posted to Twitter by Jones or InfoWars. All were still live on Twitter as of the time this article was published. CNN noted this in a request for comment from Twitter on Wednesday morning, before Harvey's email was made public. The company declined to comment at the time.

Those videos were not the only content CNN found in its review of Jones' and InfoWars' Twitter accounts that suggest the social media platform's statements about its stance are incorrect, or that its rules are not being applied to Jones and InfoWars.

Content that appears to violate Twitter's rules appears over and over again in the hundreds of hours of video available on the accounts that Jones and InfoWars maintain on Twitter and Periscope, a livestreaming video service that Twitter owns. Jones has repeatedly degraded individuals of the Muslim faith. He has attacked people on the basis of gender identity. And he has engaged in the harassment of individuals.

 

[rietrot]

BANS DON’T SEEM TO BE LESSENING REACH OF ALEX JONES, INFOWARS

Jones’ website and other online platforms have remained popular destinations.

https://www.infowars.com/bans-dont-seem-to-be-lessening-reach-of-alex-jones-infowars/

See what you lefties did? You made me click on InfoWars and I'm now also going to have to order some useless supplements that will "protect" me against the fukushima radiation.

 

[buka001]

What does it even matter if the guy has a SS tattoo and he is a confused hillbilly pretending to be a Nazi/German because he is lacking in his own culture and group identity? Why are you guys so terribly scared of these losers?

Not scared at all. Found it interesting that the President of the USA decided to vocally thank them for their support, while trying to display that he disavows "all types of racism".

It makes me even more curious that Alan decides to deflect the point with an unrelated incident? Makes me wonder what he is scared of?

 

[Unhappy438]

https://www.infowars.com/bans-dont-seem-to-be-lessening-reach-of-alex-jones-infowars/

See what you lefties did? You made me click on InfoWars and I'm now also going to have to order some useless supplements that will "protect" me against the fukushima radiation.

Judging by some of your posts you've bought those supplements too late.